BF2S Forums Iraq will see a rise in levels of violence

What does this have to do with the OP?

I agree to a point.  The problem here is that Iraq was "labeled" as a threat to her own people and others. 

Our government decided that someone had to step in, but that is a different arguement.


The OP was talking about an increase in violence during 2008 because of a drawdown of troop levels and the possibility to affect the outcome of

the presidential election.  Seems very plausible to me.  If they want US troops out of there, they will increase their efforts to ensure a

Democrat wimp makes it into office.

Bagel_Bites wrote:

It's not really a "surge" anyway. Whatever happened to "overwhelming force" from Gulf War I? I like that one much better.

That would be Rumsfeld. He's what happened to that.

And we had overwhelming force...just not adequate manpower for consolidation and reconstruction. At Rummy's direction, of course.

DUFFEDPUNK wrote:

The worst thing is that u guys believe in mass media..That way the brain wash will go on...In European free media the talk is about 1.200000 Iraqis died since the start of Operation:Bush can kiss my ass!
Its always about terrorists and jihadist...But what about fightiing for freedom under the cause of a strickt occupying force? Ever thaught about f.e Argentina and brazil invade US homeland, i bet u guys would be first to scream war on the unholy devil!!

So those freedom fighters coming from Iran are helping the Iraqi's? Go read more books, then you will understand.

Spark wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I dont support withdrawal from Iraq, but I didnt support invasion either.

This is my position as well.

Ditto... and,

I never acknowledge this to usmarine2005 in some other thread long ago, simply because I lost interest in the thread topic which happens a lot to me, but he said that Iraqi's are somewhat to blame for the ongoing mess, not the war, the aftermath he meant. He said they could have used the money pouring in, constructively, yet they didn't/they are not. And, in a way he is quite right. I mean look at Japan. That is a perfect historical case model for what the U.S. will do. And, I mean will do! A defeated country is just that defeated and its social and economic order has been decimated. It needs to be re-built. Terrorism simply delays the effort to restore decency, social order, economic systems/stability, commonly used infrastructure (water, sewer, electric, schools, etc) and so forth.

Rummy thanks... and what's wrong the Iraqi's? Don't they understand, can't they get more involved in their own situation? Security by force with guns in the hands of Iraqi's - armed against the foreign influenced insurgency groups - is the only solution (yet that isn't really happening, so we have to pick up all the slack). Reality Newsflash to Iraqi's & Muslims : the US will rebuild your country and ultimately become your Allie - if you let it and assume we are there (now, our continued presence is) on your behalf - so pinch in and throughout all mainstream/people based support for any and all insurgency groups, terror mindsets, avant-guard Koteb radical philosophies, etc... the war to remove Saddam is over and done (its legitimacy as a point of argumentation is purely moot) the effort the rebuild is still on and it's not going well - you need to step up and join the effort in a bigger way.

If you think we wont re-build a country, an once "enemy" territory, you're a dunce. In a way the Iraqi mindset; commonly shared values/worldviews; are influencing their collective judgment in a negative way. Who cares if were the Imperium, Rome, the thought to-be plunderers, Vikings, etc & whoever...  it is as silly for them to consider us forever enemy combatants/a hostile invading force as it would be for us to consider them forever enemy combatants. Did I say consider Japan as a case & point? Oh, well...

Last edited by topal63 (2008-03-21 13:07:51)

Schwarzelungen wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

08 is going to be bloody

youre not helping my level of excitement

more stuff to talk about

topal63 wrote:

Spark wrote:

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

I dont support withdrawal from Iraq, but I didnt support invasion either.

This is my position as well.

Ditto... and,

I never acknowledge this to usmarine2005 in some other thread long ago, simply because I lost interest in the thread topic which happens a lot to me, but he said that Iraqi's are somewhat to blame for the ongoing mess, not the war, the aftermath he meant. He said they could have used the money pouring in, constructively, yet they didn't/they are not. And, in a way he is quite right. I mean look at Japan. That is a perfect historical case model for what the U.S. will do. And, I mean will do! A defeated country is just that defeated and its social and economic order has been decimated. It needs to be re-built. Terrorism simply delays the effort to restore decency, social order, economic systems/stability, commonly used infrastructure (water, sewer, electric, schools, etc) and so forth.

Rummy thanks... and what's wrong the Iraqi's? Don't they understand, can't they get more involved in their own situation? Security by force with guns in the hands of Iraqi's - armed against the foreign influenced insurgency groups - is the only solution (yet that isn't really happening, so we have to pick up all the slack). Reality Newsflash to Iraqi's & Muslims : the US will rebuild your country and ultimately become your Allie - if you let it and assume we are there (now, our continued presence is) on your behalf - so pinch in and throughout all mainstream/people based support for any and all insurgency groups, terror mindsets, avant-guard Koteb radical philosophies, etc... the war to remove Saddam is over and done (its legitimacy as a point of argumentation is purely moot) the effort the rebuild is still on and it's not going well - you need to step up and join the effort in a bigger way.

If you think we wont re-build a country, an once "enemy" territory, you're a dunce. In a way the Iraqi mindset; commonly shared values/worldviews; are influencing their collective judgment in a negative way. Who cares if were the Imperium, Rome, the thought to-be plunderers, Vikings, etc & whoever...  it is as silly for them to consider us forever enemy combatants/a hostile invading force as it would be for us to consider them forever enemy combatants. Did I say consider Japan as a case & point? Oh, well...

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