BF2S Forums The Hypocrisy of some Christians

Partially.  The homosexual lifestyle would be a blatant contradiction of Biblical teaching.  As I said before, there is no historian that indicates He was gay. 

Gay Christians?  I believe they are contradicting Biblical values just as much as a heterosexual Christian having an affair.

Stingray24 wrote:

Partially.  The homosexual lifestyle would be a blatant contradiction of Biblical teaching.  As I said before, there is no historian that indicates He was gay. 

Gay Christians?  I believe they are contradicting Biblical values just as much as a heterosexual Christian having an affair.

So then do you believe homosexuality is a choice?
If not, what are these people to do?


I'm just wondering, because the whole gay Christian thing is an interesting topic to me, I have a friend who is a "gay Christian".


(I've got a girlfriend, btw)

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Partially.  The homosexual lifestyle would be a blatant contradiction of Biblical teaching.  As I said before, there is no historian that indicates He was gay. 

Gay Christians?  I believe they are contradicting Biblical values just as much as a heterosexual Christian having an affair.

Which ones of Jesus teachings are being contradicted by gay lifestyle?

Not specifically voiced by Jesus ... this is from Paul, one of the apostles in the NT. 

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor male prostitutes, nor homosexual offenders, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor slanderers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God." - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Morpheus1229 wrote:

So then do you believe homosexuality is a choice?
If not, what are these people to do?

I'm just wondering, because the whole gay Christian thing is an interesting topic to me, I have a friend who is a "gay Christian".

(I've got a girlfriend, btw)

Yes, I believe it is a choice.  Likely influenced by circumstances, but a choice nonetheless.

Morpheus1229 wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Partially.  The homosexual lifestyle would be a blatant contradiction of Biblical teaching.  As I said before, there is no historian that indicates He was gay. 

Gay Christians?  I believe they are contradicting Biblical values just as much as a heterosexual Christian having an affair.

(I've got a girlfriend, btw)

O'really?

Pics plz

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furthermore, we are to be tolerant of the person, and absolutely not the action.  I think not enough people are intolerant of immorality.

Homosexual activity is wrong.

I dont' care whether you like it or not, that's the truth.

and if you find that offensive, think about this:  You never cared if I found it offensive that you think that it's OKAY.

I frankly see this as an issue that Serge the Purge keeps trying to stir the pot with when he has nothing else in his life worth to talk about. Because he's doing this frequently, I think it's safe to assume, nothing much is going on his head, so I hope these recent threads have been mentally stimulating to him, if he reads them, because with the amount of effort and thoughtfulness people on either side are putting on, he could be a professor at Harvard.


Regardless, I see this issue as one constantly thrown about, but clumsily, like one would try and pitch a feather to an over-eager batter.

Who cares?


If you're Gay, and you're a Christian, you're not going to hell. God explicitly states in Leviticus (old testament) that sodomy and homosexuality are sins, but that's the whole point Jesus came down to save humanity. It's irrelevant.

God does not want to condemn people, John explicitly states that:

"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."
-John 3:17

I see this as the answer to all problems. Grinding your head in the dirt, and trying to find problems with God's love is a useless waste of time. I think Serge would be better off standing in a bucket and trying it lift it up with the handles than try and contemplate the errors with unconditional love.

So it doesn't matter, in a theological sense, because homosexuality is a sin, but living without sin was only possible with Jesus, as far as I know.

So in short: Serge, worry about yourself, if that's too difficult, study things before opening up about how uninformed you are, and adopt the famed "live and let live" policy which you yourself trumpet and lambast the rest of us with.

Last edited by The_Mac (2008-03-11 19:49:45)

well running around being a jerk to gay people isn't what we are supposed to do as Christians, but if we just say oh it's ok it doesn't affect me then that's not good, because then it's just like saying "oh, kids are kidding killed before they're born in order to prevent crime they didn't commit but i'm gonna stay over here in my happy world and not say anything about it because it doesn't affect me".

You're right, Gandhi was a terrible, terrible man.

And that doesn't take away from the value of the quote.

clogar wrote:

well running around being a jerk to gay people isn't what we are supposed to do as Christians, but if we just say oh it's ok it doesn't affect me then that's not good, because then it's just like saying "oh, kids are kidding killed before they're born in order to prevent crime they didn't commit but i'm gonna stay over here in my happy world and not say anything about it because it doesn't affect me".

The problem is this.  I am completely pleasant to everyone I meet, no matter their lifestyle.  I also consider a gay man to be the best boss I ever had and one of the most fun people to work for.  However, if I dare to have morals that state that his lifestyle is wrong, I'm put in the same category as the nutters holding the "God hates gays" signs and garbage like that.

Last edited by Stingray24 (2008-03-11 20:08:13)

The_Mac wrote:

CommieChipmunk wrote:

You're right, Gandhi was a terrible, terrible man.

And that doesn't take away from the value of the quote.

I find the validity of quotes are so deep as the men who said them.

So then I'll continue to completely disregard the bible..

No loss to you.

I'll take his name out of the quote, hopefully that will make me less of a tool, but the point still stands.

And if I'm not confused with your intended definition, the context that you used the word "tool" in, would mean someone who lacks the mental capacity to know that he is being used.. and there is no greater irony.

CommieChipmunk wrote:

Because it's not discriminatory if I think that it's okay.

It's the same thing as me saying that having colored skin is wrong.

Or having cerebral palsy is wrong.

Believe me, being gay is not a choice, I had a long discussion about this with my gay aunt.  She said that if she could choose, she would be straight without a doubt.  If she could choose.

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

Never once did I say that being a homosexual is wrong.

I said that homosexual activity is wrong.  HUGE difference.  No person is intrinsically wrong.  Many actions are intrinsically wrong.

The difference between "us Christians" and you is, at least we try, whereas you just give up because you're too cowardly to try.  It takes courage to try, man...it really does.

{HMS}_Sir_Del_Boy wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Stingray24 wrote:

Football players hang out with 12 guys quite a bit and they're not all gay ...

I'm not saying Jesus was gay, but we really can't know, can we?

Oh just let it go Serge, nobody knows and nobody will ever know (unless they figure out how to travel back in time). For all we know you yourself could be gay. I'm not saying you're gay but we don't really know. Just because you have a child it doesn't mean you may not be a closet queen, does it? I'm saying this because I've heard about men who have had families before coming out and confessing to being gay afterwards. Hell, I once read an article about a father of 3 who divorced his wife and had a sex change!

So with all that's been said, how do we know that you yourself aren't gay? The answer is we don't/won't know. The same applies to your question about Jesus.

Nuff said

I have a friend who says "you can't say you ain't gay until you've done it with another guy and you didn't like it".  So, according to this we all are gay until the opposite thing is proven, lol.

Last edited by sergeriver (2008-03-12 02:59:08)