BF2S Forums Official patch 1.2 complaint thread.

SharkyMcshark wrote:

This is to all of the people whining here.

Basically, it is like this now. The game is now balanced. People in jets arent godlike creatures of destruction anymore, no llong3er can they end the round with 75 kills and 2 deaths. Yes, you still get bombed out of existence sometimes, but at least now you can do something about it. No longer can the Chinese chopper just hover low over the american artillery island on wake island and score kill after kill after kill. No longer can a bomber make a run at a base at the beginning of a round, while 3 anti air turrets target it and hit nothing but sky (or a friendly chopper) as the happy go lucky bomber pilot kills half of the enemy team. It is still possible for a good pilot to stay uof ro almost the entire map, like one of the guys in my clan, who on a 64 man server running 1.2 got 20 kill and three deaths flying all round.

This patch separates the average from the excellent. Imn not saying all of you whining here are average, and I have seen a few of you in action doing your flying thing. It just means you actually have to concentrate on skillfully bombing and dodge enemy AA fire now.

I will openly praise the patch because it gives the ground pounders such as myself a chance. Apparently some of you think that EA only cares about money, and thats why the made the AA better. [sarcasm]Yeah, because there definately were not a multitude of threads complaining about the weak AA before the patch came out.[/sarcasm] The reason EWA fixed the AA like that is because so many people were complaining about how weak it was, and how strong the jets were compared to it.

So, in closing, instead of whining how about you adapt. I know that most of you have the skills to adapt, so you should get busy on that seeing as nothing is really going to change soon.

LOL. 5 pages of praise. 25 of complaints. Says it all really. And its not whining, people are having a debate. People who play on the ground and pilot will understand that uber AA and hit point reduction on the air vehicles is too much of a sway to the army people. A slight backtrack is needed. I have adapted but I'm scared that this truely ground breaking FPS has taken a turn for the worse.

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

SharkyMcshark wrote:

This is to all of the people whining here.

Basically, it is like this now. The game is now balanced. People in jets arent godlike creatures of destruction anymore, no llong3er can they end the round with 75 kills and 2 deaths. Yes, you still get bombed out of existence sometimes, but at least now you can do something about it. No longer can the Chinese chopper just hover low over the american artillery island on wake island and score kill after kill after kill. No longer can a bomber make a run at a base at the beginning of a round, while 3 anti air turrets target it and hit nothing but sky (or a friendly chopper) as the happy go lucky bomber pilot kills half of the enemy team. It is still possible for a good pilot to stay uof ro almost the entire map, like one of the guys in my clan, who on a 64 man server running 1.2 got 20 kill and three deaths flying all round.

This patch separates the average from the excellent. Imn not saying all of you whining here are average, and I have seen a few of you in action doing your flying thing. It just means you actually have to concentrate on skillfully bombing and dodge enemy AA fire now.

I will openly praise the patch because it gives the ground pounders such as myself a chance. Apparently some of you think that EA only cares about money, and thats why the made the AA better. [sarcasm]Yeah, because there definately were not a multitude of threads complaining about the weak AA before the patch came out.[/sarcasm] The reason EWA fixed the AA like that is because so many people were complaining about how weak it was, and how strong the jets were compared to it.

So, in closing, instead of whining how about you adapt. I know that most of you have the skills to adapt, so you should get busy on that seeing as nothing is really going to change soon.

LOL. 5 pages of praise. 25 of complaints. Says it all really. And its not whining, people are having a debate. People who play on the ground and pilot will understand that uber AA and hit point reduction on the air vehicles is too much of a sway to the army people. A slight backtrack is needed. I have adapted but I'm scared that this truely ground breaking FPS has taken a turn for the worse.

Sorry but I still disagree with you, if you read through the complaint pages at least half are people defending the patch from those of you that don't like it.

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

Fine...if it is a modern combat simulator, then the blackhawks can be taken down with the AK's and other assault rifles....a good sniper can poke a guy from 1000 meters out.....an attack helo can't do barrel rolls and can be taken down with three shots from a fifty instead of burning the gun down.  The soldiers on the ground become ineffective after one shot to the shin or in the arm.  THIS IS NOT A SIMULATOR, it is to be a balanced game that entertains a majority of the consumer so that EA and Dice can get a paycheck.  Like it or not HELI PILOTS AND JET PILOTS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY!!!  The ground pounders are and we are sick of getting bombed every twenty seconds  by a jet that we cannot kill unless our one pilot takes it out!  We have redesigned our warfare to contend with the airforce....now you redesign your tactics and prove your "skills" in the air.  I got board with the jets, because in all truth, with a good joystick I tore it down practicing with a jet, I just found that being infantry was a lot more challenging and required more teamwork.

LOL. LOL. LOL. Look. Obviously the pilots aren't the majority and when I say modern combat simulator I didn't mean that its real life as in it has modern tanks, apc, jets heli's etc etc. And yes, the jets were too much and thats been addressed but the heli's have had a raw deal aswell. People who have a real problem with the air power should go and play CS or quake. I mean, I was dealing with enemy heli's anyway. AA against jets was a joke. And yes, I have adapted but me being an experienced all round player I see that the new patch has gone to far against the airforce. Plus, why is it the veiw of some ground pounders that the pilots haven't got a clue about teamwork and ground warfare. LOL.

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

Fine...if it is a modern combat simulator, then the blackhawks can be taken down with the AK's and other assault rifles....a good sniper can poke a guy from 1000 meters out.....an attack helo can't do barrel rolls and can be taken down with three shots from a fifty instead of burning the gun down.  The soldiers on the ground become ineffective after one shot to the shin or in the arm.  THIS IS NOT A SIMULATOR, it is to be a balanced game that entertains a majority of the consumer so that EA and Dice can get a paycheck.  Like it or not HELI PILOTS AND JET PILOTS ARE NOT THE MAJORITY!!!  The ground pounders are and we are sick of getting bombed every twenty seconds  by a jet that we cannot kill unless our one pilot takes it out!  We have redesigned our warfare to contend with the airforce....now you redesign your tactics and prove your "skills" in the air.  I got board with the jets, because in all truth, with a good joystick I tore it down practicing with a jet, I just found that being infantry was a lot more challenging and required more teamwork.

LOL. LOL. LOL. Look. Obviously the pilots aren't the majority and when I say modern combat simulator I didn't mean that its real life as in it has modern tanks, apc, jets heli's etc etc. And yes, the jets were too much and thats been addressed but the heli's have had a raw deal aswell. People who have a real problem with the air power should go and play CS or quake. I mean, I was dealing with enemy heli's anyway. AA against jets was a joke. And yes, I have adapted but me being an experienced all round player I see that the new patch has gone to far against the airforce. Plus, why is it the veiw of some ground pounders that the pilots haven't got a clue about teamwork and ground warfare. LOL.

Your reading to much into what I say....I never said that, I am not stereotyping the pilots, just saying the ones who yelled the most had the highest kill to death ratio, but some of the lowest CP points respective to their scores.  I personally feel the game would not have the same intensity without air combatants, however, if they are something we can't defeat resonably then there is a problem.  I think they should have let the choppers remain armored up, but give us another AA kit like an AT kit so that we can combat some of the airforce.  There are solutions to every problem, what frustrates me is that these forums are 95% bitching and moaning and arguing and there isn't enough compromise and solutions to anything.

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

fuzzyballs44 wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

LOL. LOL. LOL. Look. Obviously the pilots aren't the majority and when I say modern combat simulator I didn't mean that its real life as in it has modern tanks, apc, jets heli's etc etc. And yes, the jets were too much and thats been addressed but the heli's have had a raw deal aswell. People who have a real problem with the air power should go and play CS or quake. I mean, I was dealing with enemy heli's anyway. AA against jets was a joke. And yes, I have adapted but me being an experienced all round player I see that the new patch has gone to far against the airforce. Plus, why is it the veiw of some ground pounders that the pilots haven't got a clue about teamwork and ground warfare. LOL.

Your reading to much into what I say....I never said that, I am not stereotyping the pilots, just saying the ones who yelled the most had the highest kill to death ratio, but some of the lowest CP points respective to their scores.  I personally feel the game would not have the same intensity without air combatants, however, if they are something we can't defeat resonably then there is a problem.  I think they should have let the choppers remain armored up, but give us another AA kit like an AT kit so that we can combat some of the airforce.  There are solutions to every problem, what frustrates me is that these forums are 95% bitching and moaning and arguing and there isn't enough compromise and solutions to anything.

That's better. A more balanced view. The patch addressed alot of issues and overall it has made the game possibly better but the heli's have been over degraded and the new AA is better but is it too good. Plus it has the new oil tower bug.

This is where they need our feedback, so they can work that out on the next patch....hopefully a smaller one to fine tune the glaring issues....the red name bug still haunts us, as well as maybe uping the helo's and possibly not weakening the AA but putting a buffer between the double shot so you can't shoot as fast...this would let the pilot react before the second AA missle strikes.

Its Unleashed a MASSIVE amount of Snipers and Supporters for at least the next week

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

SirRevan wrote:

AdamEcks wrote:

The worst thing I have seen about this patch so far is the amount of complaints from people who bunny hopped/plan whored/dolphin dove/etc for their entire time playing BF2. Now they are left with no skill and nothing left to do. There are more compalints from the people that do all these things already than there ever were from people complaing about these things.

In 2 weeks, after all these guys clear out, BF2 will be a MUCH better place.

why? why can't a player be in a plane thruout the entire round? why cant he be in a heli thruout the entire round?

my fav. class is spec ops and i dont get accused of "spec ops whoring".

truth is, piloting should be considered a "kit", there's even a goddam badge for it. It does take skill to pilot a damn plane or heli for that matter, even if thats ALL you can do. I bet a shit load of ppl who stay on-foot 24/7 cant pilot worth a rat's ass...

if u hate skilled pilot's THAT MUCH, get in a damn plane and prove you got skills and take the asshole out, but don't call a master pilot a plane whore and more importantly, dont make the goddam titanium jets just as fragile as paper airplanes!

im fine with boosting the AA but dont friggin handicap the perfectly fine heli's and aircraft. It wont take long before BF2 fills with tank whores, and the newcoming AA-whores! WOOT

booshit

continuing..
not being able to jump throw nades? thats gay, this is a FPS, and throwing nades have ALWAYS been a FPS-trademark thing. Even in RL, you could jump throw a granade so whats up with that?

same goes for C4. im sure u could throw it in RL (heck u could shoot it off a cannon and it'd still work just fine). now u gotta run up to crap like a little moron... if the spec op's #1 priority is to be STEALTHY... whats more stealthy than throwing C4 undetected? well, now u cant... dumb crap...

bunny-shit... good thing thats out. but i think they took it too far... instead they could have just increased the stamina cost for jumping like maaaaaad... it would have eliminated bunnyhopping and would still allow us action whores to do our diving thing regularly. (but EA's too stupid to come up with these kinds of solutions)

cant think of anything else rite now so... ill be back.. lol

(patch sucks, only got it cuz it made the ranks pretty... btw, when is someone ever gonna get general? i thought they alrdy had all the req's, whats keeping it from happening?)

Well said mate. I feel that anybody with a full understanding of whole game will have a problem with patch 1.2. Anybody who hates the jets/heli's go play CS or Quake 4. BF2 is a modern war simulator.

very nice said. I used to play to games, CS and BF2. After the new patch im just playing CS, cause BF2 just sucks.

NPN_Scorpio wrote:

General_CoLin_TassiLOL. wrote:

5 pages of praise. 25 of complaints. Says it all really. And its not whining, people are having a debate. People who play on the ground and pilot will understand that uber AA and hit point reduction on the air vehicles is too much of a sway to the army people. A slight backtrack is needed. I have adapted but I'm scared that this truely ground breaking FPS has taken a turn for the worse.

5:25 praise:complaint ratio is high praise indeed.

This is common statistical knowledge.
Usually the complainers outnumber the praisers by 20 to 1 or more for any given subject.

Why?

Because people who are happy are less apt to voice their opinion than people who are not.
Call it human nature, if you will.

Disagree. I this instance there are two threads. One for praise and one for complaints.

This patch is just one big fucking bug!

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

I think it's going to ruin the way I play.

Too bad, Bugs Bunny.

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

I am only saying this in response to your post because I do not feel that it is because of crap pilots that a helo is able to stay in the air.  It is more because jet pilots were too busy point farming in their invincible jets to even care.
- Beatdown

Right, spot on !

I had  the same experience during the patch 1.12 , you yelled -enemy helicopter- to your jet-pilot , and nothing happened....

Glad this patch 1.2 gives ground troops a chance now to take care of enemy choppers with AA or Vodnik or whatever.

SirRevan wrote:

1) Planes and helis are now too weak...
this is easily fixable.. AA is too Fed up (watch the vid). sure, AA back in 1.12 sucked... and they should be made better (those 1.2 turns are just, i cant even describe it), but dammit, dont lower the airforce's armor, leave it the way it was. GIVE US A CHANCE TO SURVIVE them missiles! I realise it was unlikely to take down a heli or plane with AA pre-patch but now its impossible to survive AA, so we're back to where we were pre-patch... pilots are now gonna complain that AA's are certain deaths (which is true) just like AAers complained before that pilots were un-shootable.. ironic isnt it?

2) No jump throwing/jump shooting
Sure, it eliminated bunnyhopping... But i still cant believe i cant jump throw c4 or jump/prone anymore BECAUSE some people decided to abuse this thing.
Couldn't EA just made jumping a huge hit to stamina? it would eliminate bunnyhopping and it'd still let me chuck my nades and c4's and jump-shoot and jump-prone whenever i felt it'd be NECESSARY (not 24/7)
They could just include an indicator in the STA bar (like the red when you can no longer sprint)... blue sta bar means u can no longer jump.

So there it is, my complaints and my solutions which i rlly think would have worked to reduce all the "bitching and whining and blah blah blah" like some of you put it.

I personally don't care if they increase the hitpoints on Helos.  If that makes pilots feel more secure, then fine.....as long as I can still drop one without using a full belt of .50 cal ammo or overheating my APCs main cannon. 

I don't care if they increase Helos hitpoints...as long as if I hit a Helo with my 120mm smoothbore tank cannon, the helo is almost dead.  (and for the record...I personally believe that a tank round should be an instant kill on any aircraft.  The skill it takes to hit a moving helo with a tank round is very, very high)

I also don't care if they increase the hitpoints...as long as two missiles still down a Helo.

I mean, lets air the dirty little secret here.  Pilots are not asking for more hitpoints because they fear AA missiles.  Two missile hits should always equal 1 dead bird and everyone knows that.  Pilots want their hitpoints back because they want to restore their survivability against heavy machine guns along with tank rounds and the 25mm & 30mm cannons on APCs.  By doing this...pilots would indeed have their flying tanks back in effect.  Why is it that you don't hear any screaming about the 8 missiles and shortened TVGM range?  It is because most pilots really don't care about that since OFFENSIVE power was never the issue with airpower.  The entire issue with airpower was the ineffective AA and that the HITPOINTS and ARMOR on Helos made it impossible for any type of ground force to swat them before either their weapon overheated or the pilot would run out of range.  More often though...the pilot would just turn around and kill you with the mentality that you were more of a nuisance than a threat.  I am having a very hard time in understanding why pilots can not seem admit or accept this fact. 

In relation to the jets, the AA now locks tone faster because jets could streak in at any altitude and blow anything to pieces before the AA could get a lock.  The new lock times are fast, but still not so fast that a jet still can't fly directly at the AA site and toast it with guns.  As other notorious pilot (whom I won't name) has bragadociously stated...they have already found a way around the problem.  Even more laughable is that the while AA is more deadly, the reduced range of AA has created gaps where air can penetrate and attack with impunity.  Time to adjust your ingress/egress routes, pilots.

...and finally, I find that off all the crying and moaning and rending of hair and gnashing of teeth, pilots are STILL placing at the top of the food chain on maps with air.  They die a little more and have to work harder...but they are STILL outpointing everyone else on the map.  For all the crying, this patch amounts to nothing more than an inconvenience to a veteran BF2 pilot.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2006-02-18 12:36:13)