PureFodder wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
PureFodder wrote:
Deaths from Israeli/Palesinian coflict from OCHoPT. Figures in brackets are under 18s
Year Palestinian deaths Israeli deaths
2005 216 (52) 48 (6)
2006 678 (127) 25 (2)
2007 396 (43) 13 (0)
Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening. US media coverage has been endlessly denounced across the entire world as being unbelievably biased towards Israel. Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media. Remember that the Palestinians are living in what has been described by Israelis as the worlds largest and most overcrowded prison. They are denied basic human rights and have put up with it for decades without significant violence. Having been utterly shat upon for over 40 years with any hope of a realistic solutions being endlessly blocked by the world superpower they are obviously giving up any hope and resorting to fighting back. If you were living under a 40 year brutal military occupation what would you do? Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.
Here's a newsflash. Every bit of media coverage you get we most likely get as well. Welcome to the internet. Come on in and take a seat.
Israeli media is less pro-Israel than US media.
Seriously?
Yes, seriously.
Worldpress.org wrote:
On Aug. 25 the headline on CNN.com read, "Israel: Five Militants Shot in Raid." The article claims the militants were suspected of being involved with a suicide bombing; they were armed and exchanged fire with the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF), and five Palestinians were shot. The report also mentioned the town, Netanya, where the suicide bombing referenced in the article took place, was a frequent site for suicide bombings. No Palestinian quote, no witnesses giving an alternative perspective, and no mention that three of the victims shot were under the age of 18.
The Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, covered the same event including Palestinian quotes and some Palestinian claims. The paper reported that the IOF killed five Palestinians on Aug. 25, three of whom Palestinian sources claim to be between the ages of 14 and 17 with no known links to militant organizations. Four of the victims died at the scene, while one of the young victims died later that night.
A number of Palestinian reporters cited witnesses claiming all five Palestinians were unarmed, including the two militants killed. This was the first fatal attack since the "disengagement" of the Gaza Strip.
The contrast in coverage between CNN and Haaretz is staggering. The CNN headline was written in absolutes: "5 militants shot in raid." Their article continues by stating only the Israeli claim that five militants were killed, making the headline biased and misleading. The Haaretz headline read: "U.S. urges restraint after IDF raid that killed 5 Palestinians." This headline refers to the people who were shot as Palestinians and not solely as "militants." The Haaretz article covers conflicting Israeli and Palestinian claims, which made it impossible to determine whether or not all five killed were militants or civilians
Kmarion wrote:
Take a look at what you wrote and think about it:
PureFodder wrote:
Anyone who thinks this conflict is equally going in either direction has no idea about what's happening.
PureFodder wrote:
Their attacks, especially on civillian targets are utterly reprehensable, but every day of the military occupation and apartheid inflicted on the Palestinians is utterly reprehensable too.
Palestine is fighting back against opression. The US media will report stories based on the narative 'Israeli forces blew up 20 people in response to a rocket fored from Palestine' Then the next day 'Israeli forces bombed a building killing 4 in response to a suicide bombing' Israel always responds to Palestinian action, never the other way around. Take the Israeli attack on Lebanon. It was presented as an Israeli response to the kidnapping of a couple of Israeli troops. The day before Israeli forces kidnapped 2 Gaza residents. Hamas openly stated that their intention was to secure a hostage swap for the two civillians kidnapped and for some of the esimated hundred or so other civillians that have been kidnapped by Israeli forces. The geneva convention specifies that kidnapping civillians is a greater crime than kidnapping soldiers.
http://www.fair.org/activism/network-retaliation.htmlIsraeli crimes vastly eclipse Palestinian crimes.
It takes more than a few articles of misreporting to trump absolute common sense and logic (As if Israelis aren't as interested in their survival and image). If anything CNN would be the last media outlet to intentionally show bias in this situation. In case you hadn't been paying attention the United States has been pushing Israel for a deadline and talks.
Why in the hell would you even attempt to interject the Geneva convention into this argument? Hezbollah's broken virtually every provision of the Geneva Convention. Are you so blind to not take note when they send their own children into combat and strap suicide belts to them?
What you insinuated in your second statement was that the conflict is not going in either direction. You then contradicted yourself by condemning Palestinians as well. You did not reference the degree in your ambiguous "Everyone else doesn't have any idea of what's going on" remark.
Where is the distraught over the Kurds of Turkey, who have also faced decades of violent military oppression? Turkey should be viewed as occupied territory by your logic as well.
Palestinians have been afforded the opportunity on more than one occasion to self rule. They had 13 centuries to make a go of Palestine. There idea of governing has been to provoke Israel and kill other Palestinians that they don't agree with.
Borders change. Get over it. These borders were drawn by self serving Europeans.