BF2S Forums Cost Saving .vs. Cry Babies

sergeriver wrote:

mikkel wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

You forget that pilots are very underpaid people /sarcasm.

If you can afford to pay people high salaries, you can afford a few bottles of water. Of course they could buy their own, but the airlines could also supply basic necessities.

Do you know that most airlines are losing money?  Why do you think they give you shit for meal?

Not being able to run your business with a profit does not excuse failing to supply your employees with basic necessities.

usmarine wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

I don't think it's that big of a deal one way or the other.

The pilots have put a lot of their own money and time into the airline, a bottle of water per flight doesn't seem much to ask. I know they have a salary, but why argue over something like this? let them have it.

What about the people who work on the ramp loading bags?  What about the crew scheduler?  Should they all get free bottled water then?

There's a difference between working on the ground and being stuck in a cockpit for hours.

mikkel wrote:

There's a difference between working on the ground and being stuck in a cockpit for hours.

We don't hear any crying from the flight attendants.  And they are not "stuck" in the cockpit.  They chose to be there.

usmarine wrote:

GorillaTicTacs wrote:

An employer has the obligation to provide in some way for a worker's basic needs.  Access to water and restroom facilities being one of them.  If the airline wants, they can issue canteens or little cooler jugs to the pilots and require them to fill up before boarding each flight, just add an item to the pre-flight checklist ("Pilot canteen coolers are topped off with water").  Its not a black and white solution (bottled water or no water), both sides can give a little.

We did that.  We gave them nice little water bottles.  Now they are bitching about bacteria in the water bottles.....with no proof of course.  They apparently do not like that solution.  So, we provided them with the option.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/01/20/124816.php

FEOS wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

usmarine wrote:

We did that.  We gave them nice little water bottles.  Now they are bitching about bacteria in the water bottles.....with no proof of course.  They apparently do not like that solution.  So, we provided them with the option.

http://blogcritics.org/archives/2005/01/20/124816.php

They wouldn't fill up with water from the plane, as that water is clearly marked "non-potable". They would fill up elsewhere before boarding, as USM points out above.

You're right, my bad, I miss read the article.

usmarine wrote:

I just doubt it's as black and white.

lulz

usmarine wrote:

jord wrote:

usmarine wrote:

I just doubt it's as black and white.

lulz

I didn't write that you tosser.

Figured I'd repay the favour, douche bag.

mikkel wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

mikkel wrote:

If you can afford to pay people high salaries, you can afford a few bottles of water. Of course they could buy their own, but the airlines could also supply basic necessities.

Do you know that most airlines are losing money?  Why do you think they give you shit for meal?

Not being able to run your business with a profit does not excuse failing to supply your employees with basic necessities.

usmarine wrote:

Dauntless wrote:

I don't think it's that big of a deal one way or the other.

The pilots have put a lot of their own money and time into the airline, a bottle of water per flight doesn't seem much to ask. I know they have a salary, but why argue over something like this? let them have it.

What about the people who work on the ramp loading bags?  What about the crew scheduler?  Should they all get free bottled water then?

There's a difference between working on the ground and being stuck in a cockpit for hours.

They receive a lot of money for doing what they like to do.  They ain't stuck in a cockpit, they're getting paid for doing what they like the most.  How many people can say the same thing?  Pilots are usually arrogant people and they believe they are like gods.  Believe me I know a few ones.  And yes, they have a great responsibility, but at the same time the job isn't that hard for them.  At the end of the day they only touch a couple of switches and make a few checks on the instruments and that's it, the planes today fly almost by themselves.
If they want some expensive water let them pay for it.  Besides, they get laid with a lot of hot flight attendants.  What a heavy job...

=OBS= EstebanRey wrote:

Arguments where one side is branded a "cry baby" always make me laugh because it implies the fact of the matter is trivial, which by definition makes both sides petty when argueing their case.

Yes, pilots could bring their own water but does a company really need to be that cheap?  Everywhere I have worked you get certain perks, whether it be a discount or some of the produce.

I have worked in many restaurants and I wonder how the argument would change if it was Restauranters calling time on free lunches for their staff (bring your own food etc).  I'm guessing more would sympathise; my point being that we love to see people with better jobs/more money than us suffer.

QFT

Especially the first line. I was going to say something like that before but didn't get round to it.

sergeriver wrote:

They receive a lot of money for doing what they like to do.  They ain't stuck in a cockpit, they're getting paid for doing what they like the most.  How many people can say the same thing?  Pilots are usually arrogant people and they believe they are like gods.  Believe me I know a few ones.  And yes, they have a great responsibility, but at the same time the job isn't that hard for them.  At the end of the day they only touch a couple of switches and make a few checks on the instruments and that's it, the planes today fly almost by themselves.
If they want some expensive water let them pay for it.  Besides, they get laid with a lot of hot flight attendants.  What a heavy job...

They also have to be away from their families/girlfriends for long periods of time (maybe not in this case, I don't know about USM's airline) and have to put a lot of time and money into the company. Not to mention the weight of responsibility that they have.

Sure, they aren't slave labours, but why make things harder for them for the sake of a bottle of water?

After looking at what the first officers make in your airline usm, they really should be allowed to have one bottle of water per flight...

Average FO making approximately $35,000+ per year with 1500 stock options plus an additional 500 based on company performance.

They can make almost double that in Europe.