but youre Canadian.Canadianloser wrote:
i careGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
funny how he uses a picture of Obama giving a speech for AIPAC as a negative. Too bad the world doesnt care about canadian elections.
you seemed to have missed his point.Canadianloser wrote:
i careGunSlinger OIF II wrote:
funny how he uses a picture of Obama giving a speech for AIPAC as a negative. Too bad the world doesnt care about canadian elections.
Not targeting Obama in particular.. i must admit that if i was american, i would chose him over Hillary, McCain or Romney. Just saying that its pretty sad that a lot of people base their vote on how the candidate speak in public, who is supporting him and how he look like on TV.Spearhead wrote:
Dude.... you can say that about sooooooo many politicians in this country.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
the sad thing is that a lot of people will choose him because of this video or the Oprah endorsment. Most of the "sheeps" don't even know what his platform is.. or what "change" he is talking about.
The fact is, there are always "sheep" who will support someone because of one belief or characteristic. You can say that McCain is only in his position because he was a POW. You can say Hillary is only in her position because she's a woman. You can say Obamas in his position because he's black. You can say Romney's only in his position because he's rich (lol).
Please, don't single out Obama. There are plenty of informed people AND sheep voting for every candidate out there. I for one don't give a flying fuck is Oprah endorses Obama (hate her show by the way), but what I do know is that Obama is the candidate I'm supporting.
And this happen not only in America..
Ron Paul doesnt look good on TV, his voice is annoying, doesnt speak well....
Sadly that only cost him a lot of votes.
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
yet, Obama raised 30 million for the single month of January. If Ron Paul's racists donations impress you, whats that say about the Obama campaign, who has yet to receive money from any PAC's
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
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Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
I would say this case is closed. Have a good day.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
yet, Obama raised 30 million for the single month of January. If Ron Paul's racists donations impress you, whats that say about the Obama campaign, who has yet to receive money from any PAC's
whoops, I should look these things up before I post. 38 million, my bad.usmarine wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.I would say this case is closed. Have a good day.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
yet, Obama raised 30 million for the single month of January. If Ron Paul's racists donations impress you, whats that say about the Obama campaign, who has yet to receive money from any PAC's
meh...either way, Mr. Auschwitz lost this round.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whoops, I should look these things up before I post. 38 million, my bad.usmarine wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?I would say this case is closed. Have a good day.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
yet, Obama raised 30 million for the single month of January. If Ron Paul's racists donations impress you, whats that say about the Obama campaign, who has yet to receive money from any PAC's
GS barely beat me to it... that's what happens when you source it..lol .
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90 percent of his donations were online I think, as well.
or it could be 90% were less than $500. dont remember
or it could be 90% were less than $500. dont remember
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Yup, most were under $500. Not sure if it was 90%, but I remember him saying on one of his campaign trail speeches something to the sort.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
90 percent of his donations were online I think, as well.
or it could be 90% were less than $500. dont remember
I'm glad to say I donated. 25 bucks isn't a lot, but it adds up.
AIPAC is a very insidious lobbyist influence on our government. So is CAIR. That much I think AustralianChainsaw and I can agree on.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
funny how he uses a picture of Obama giving a speech for AIPAC as a negative. Too bad the world doesnt care about canadian elections.
I think you might want to consider a better excuse. Our current president was elected twice and he sounds like a retarded monkey everytime he opens his mouth.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
And this happen not only in America..
Ron Paul doesnt look good on TV, his voice is annoying, doesnt speak well....
Sadly that only cost him a lot of votes.
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
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Just because a candidate is being supported by a group doesn't mean that candidate supports that group.usmarine wrote:
meh...either way, Mr. Auschwitz lost this round.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
whoops, I should look these things up before I post. 38 million, my bad.usmarine wrote:
I would say this case is closed. Have a good day.Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?
Well, her mom started her early and took her as a baby to a Kerry/Edwards rally in KC back in 2004 before we moved. She's gonna be an activist, I just know it. Ick.Kmarion wrote:
They say he pulls a younger crowd... but dang .ph4s3 wrote:
Then my 3 yr old girl recognized him on the news and started jumping up and down saying his name over and over. I asked her who it was and she said, "he's going to be the President." Works for me.
Obama is pulling ahead of Hillary in CA. That's huge..illwilly wrote:
I was sitting in my recording studio watching the debates...
Torn between the candidates
I was never really big on politics...
and actually I'm still not big on politics...
but 4 years ago, me and the black eyed peas supported Kerry...
And we supported Kerry with all our might...
We performed and performed and performed for the DNC...
doing all we could do to get the youth involved...
The outcome of the last 2 elections has saddened me...
on how unfair, backwards, upside down, unbalanced, untruthful,
corrupt, and just simply, how wrong the world and "politics" are...
So this year i wanted to get involved and do all i could early...
And i found myself torn...
because this time it's not that simple...
our choices aren't as clear as the last elections ...
last time it was so obvious...
Bush and war vs. no bush and no war...
But this time it's not that simple...
and there are a lot of people that are torn just like i am...
So for awhile I put it off and i was going to wait until it was decided for me...
And then came New Hampshire...
And i was captivated...
Inspired...
Maria Shriver endorsed Obama.. funny. Arnold supported McCain. Sounds like a fun household.
Hillary is probably still the front runner but clearly Obama has the momentum.
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Of course, it must help a lot when your name is all over the papers.. when you face is all over the television.Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
Ron Paul doesnt have 1/10 the coverage of other candidate receive, doesnt receive any PAC or corporate donations..but is still able to outraise all the other republicans.
I must say that there a lot of american out there who are waking up.Those patriots didnt found out about him because some celebrity decided to endore him, or because they saw a 1 hour special about him on TV on prime time, its because they researched the important issues and they found out that he the only guy who will put your country back on its feet and stop the madness of your foreign policy.
Funny that Dr Paul is the candidate who received again the more donations from military personnel and yet, we have two soldiers here who don't have a clue of whats happening in their own country.
Slinger if you still think Ron Paul is a racist, it prove that you really believe everything the mainstream media is feeding you.. Wake up and think by yourself..
again, congratulation to all Ron Paul supporter for waking up..
funny, I hear the media talk about him anytime they talk about republicans. You should actually live here and experience local media before you go off on your conspiracy bullshit. You know shit.AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Of course, it must help a lot when your name is all over the papers.. when you face is all over the television.Kmarion wrote:
Yet when a Democrat raises 32 million in 1 single month you are unmoved. Who's is a sheep now?AutralianChainsaw wrote:
Still impressing that he was able to raise 20 millions in the 4rth quarter.. more than any republican candidates.
Ron Paul doesnt have 1/10 the coverage of other candidate receive, doesnt receive any PAC or corporate donations..but is still able to outraise all the other republicans.
There are still people talking about Ron Paul for president? He didn't even have the sack to run as an independent.
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Sounds like every other political vote, I'm sure he will jump on someone's bandwagon and make a music video saying the system is messed up, not the people who are given the right to vote in the system. Oh Wait...will.i.am wrote:
So for awhile I put it off and i was going to wait until it was decided for me...
He still could. It's probably why he's saving his money... it takes a lot.Moo? Si! wrote:
There are still people talking about Ron Paul for president? He didn't even have the sack to run as an independent.
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Late follow up.
http://www.dipdive.com/dip-politics/wato/
Admittedly some of them are over the top. But the message is still solid. Attitude and courage can move a nation the world.
http://www.dipdive.com/dip-politics/wato/
Admittedly some of them are over the top. But the message is still solid. Attitude and courage can move a nation the world.
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Obama's message of "change we can believe in" is definitely some change, but it is definitely not the direction I want to go.
Obama has shown (IMO) that he will cater to his audience a little too much (PA controversy). He has proposed national programs that will do absolutely no good (national CCW ban). He proposes health care programs, but doesn't quite specify how they would work, or how to fund them. He sits on the fence for gay rights (pick a side already, if you want to claim "change"). Frankly, I don't trust his politics very much...and what I do trust, I generally disagree with.
Obama has shown (IMO) that he will cater to his audience a little too much (PA controversy). He has proposed national programs that will do absolutely no good (national CCW ban). He proposes health care programs, but doesn't quite specify how they would work, or how to fund them. He sits on the fence for gay rights (pick a side already, if you want to claim "change"). Frankly, I don't trust his politics very much...and what I do trust, I generally disagree with.
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Tis elections season.. no? They all try to cater. Some (like McCain) just make the masses fall asleep.RAIMIUS wrote:
Obama has shown (IMO) that he will cater to his audience a little too much (PA controversy).
- Gay Rights
- Barack Obama supported gay rights during his Illinois Senate tenure. He sponsored legislation in Illinois that would ban discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
All you need to do is make an effort and look.
- Healthcare Funding
- National Health Insurance ExchangeThe Obama plan will create a National Health Insurance Exchange to help individuals who wish to purchase a private insurance plan. The Exchange will act as a watchdog group and help reform the private insurance market by creating rules and standards for participating insurance plans to ensure fairness and to make individual coverage more affordable and accessible. Insurers would have to issue every applicant a policy, and charge fair and stable premiums that will not depend upon health status. The Exchange will require that all the plans offered are at least as generous as the new public plan and have the same standards for quality and efficiency. The Exchange would evaluate plans and make the differences among the plans, including cost of services, public.
- Employer Contribution:Employers that do not offer or make a meaningful contribution to the cost of quality health coverage for their employees will be required to contribute a percentage of payroll toward the costs of the national plan. Small employers that meet certain revenue thresholds will be exempt.
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Healthcare: Several hundred billion dollars of programs for employers and taxpayers to fund. Apparently, if you are too poor to afford federally funded healthcare, the government will subsidize their subsidized program...
I'm not a fan.
"Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)"
Sorry, but that is NOT equality IMO. If you ban two people from being married to each other, but not two straight people, there is not equality under the law.
He also wants a new AWB and a national CCW ban (except for LEOs). Both of those ideas have proven to do nothing to combat crime. Banning modern, semi-auto rifles would seem to contradict the 2nd Amendment and would almost definitely contradict US v Miller...but of course these are merely "reasonable restrictions" to fight crime. So says the "constitutional scholar." NO THANKS.
I'm not a fan.
"Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)"
Sorry, but that is NOT equality IMO. If you ban two people from being married to each other, but not two straight people, there is not equality under the law.
He also wants a new AWB and a national CCW ban (except for LEOs). Both of those ideas have proven to do nothing to combat crime. Banning modern, semi-auto rifles would seem to contradict the 2nd Amendment and would almost definitely contradict US v Miller...but of course these are merely "reasonable restrictions" to fight crime. So says the "constitutional scholar." NO THANKS.
Your previous post that he does not have a plan for health care or stance on gay rights is false ..right? Even if you aren't a fan of said plans? Spin meister..lol.RAIMIUS wrote:
Healthcare: Several hundred billion dollars of programs for employers and taxpayers to fund. Apparently, if you are too poor to afford federally funded healthcare, the government will subsidize their subsidized program...
I'm not a fan.
"Opposes gay marriage; supports civil union & gay equality. (Oct 2006)"
Sorry, but that is NOT equality IMO. If you ban two people from being married to each other, but not two straight people, there is not equality under the law.
He also wants a new AWB and a national CCW ban (except for LEOs). Both of those ideas have proven to do nothing to combat crime. Banning modern, semi-auto rifles would seem to contradict the 2nd Amendment and would almost definitely contradict US v Miller...but of course these are merely "reasonable restrictions" to fight crime. So says the "constitutional scholar." NO THANKS.
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