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syndicat111 wrote:

jord wrote:

commandochristian wrote:

.... Seeing as how this isn't in the D&ST section, I will definitely say this is related to try to get ~200,000 more threads.

But what about the edge of space? Like, if you're in space, then nothing really immediately surrounds you, but if you get to this "edge" per say, then WTF is going to be there?!

The answer it so mind bendingly complex it's retarded.

which is to say it is backwards, and so there is actually no "edge" but a recurring area (train station in the matrix anyone?)

Exactly...

The universe. Serious bussiness.

ThaReaper wrote:

The universe is continuously expanding.

expanding into what?

There must be something outside for it to expand into.

Ow my head hurts

jord wrote:

syndicat111 wrote:

jord wrote:

Exactly...

But then the trainstation, for this is the perfect example, was somewhere - between the "matrix" and the "real world".  Therefore, if this theory is to be followed, the recurring area is somewhere, which brings us back to not only where this area is, but also that this area is contained and so must have an edge.

o lawd

Or instead a distance is covered in between the "area of the edge" so that it's more like running around an Olympic running track. You don't go anywhere but there is also no edge.

Or...

To say you are following a track, or running in an oval / circular motion, is to say that you are following a pre-set line, or the "edge".
It could also be argued that the track is contained within a stadium (= edge) or the track is contained within its own sense of limitations (i.e where the  asphalt ends)

or our universe is just a giant membrane surrounded by an almost infinite source of energy which it taps from in order to grow. tata mystery solved. Meaning, there's an edge but that edge moves a couple lightyears outward a minute.

jord wrote:

syndicat111 wrote:

jord wrote:

Or instead a distance is covered in between the "area of the edge" so that it's more like running around an Olympic running track. You don't go anywhere but there is also no edge.

Or...

To say you are following a track, or running in an oval / circular motion, is to say that you are following a pre-set line, or the "edge".
It could also be argued that the track is contained within a stadium (= edge) or the track is contained within its own sense of limitations (i.e where the  asphalt ends)

I can sort of grasp this theory, though this conversation is getting harder and harder.

After re reading your line of thinking, it was almost like a flash of understanding but instantly replaced with confusion  :s  again, this is going on the assumption of containment - everything is somewhere, and so the universe must be within something - again, not nothing for nothing is somewhere and that somewhere is not the universe (which, btw, means literally "everything", and so to be taken by its original definition leads only to more debate)

After 200,000 miles it ends, so lez do it.

dayarath wrote:

jord wrote:

dayarath wrote:

or our universe is just a giant membrane surrounded by an almost infinite source of energy which it taps from in order to grow. tata mystery solved. Meaning, there's an edge but that edge moves a couple lightyears outward a minute.

And if we could travel faster than it expands where would we be? Don't be so certain of your theory, if any of us came up with something concrete we wouldn't be here now. We're be at NASA on £Millions or in the Illuminati or something.

> http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/program.html <
(answers alot of questions for all you people having a conversation about the universe)

watch that documentary, it should be very nice if you're interested in the universe. Anyway, there's the edge ya, and if you move faster than it expands you bump into it like a wall sorta. Unless you can ofc make a hole in that wall, and you might either end up in another universe next to ours, or in some weird space noone knows of.

which, as you kind of pointed out in the last sentence, is blown apart by:  Ok, we accept that the universe is expanding, yet the fundamental question of what is it expanding into, hence the above conversation of the "edge", containment or whatever.  Dont worry, well find out when we are dead... going on the assumption that consciousness is still present after death of course, otherwise all knowledge is lost and the entire evolution of the human race is made redundant where the answers to all questions are never found, and that all sciences in exploration was to satisfy initial curiosity that will actually make no impact on the wider range of natures complexities.

dayarath wrote:

Ryan wrote:

The universe does end. In about 10 seconds, the universe expands 10 trillion cubic light years. It has been doing so ever since the big bang. What it is expanding into is unknown. So that means there is something beyond our universe, but we don't know what is beyond it. Possibly just black space.

And yes, there is life on other planets. I guarantee it.

Well, you could suppose our universe is like, a big, huge membrane. (They can grow this large in theory, if there's enough energy around to feed on.) meaning, that outside our universe there's some kind of energy source it taps from and grows from. Now in order for so incredibly frigging much energy to be there, you basically need two of these universe-membranes to bump into eachother in high speed. When this happens, the blast that's made out of the collision, generates so much energy that another universe or membrane can come into existance. Meaning, beyond our universe there have to be more universae. Atleast, that's the theory. (Most logic one I've read about so far.) What all those universae are doing in one spot? No frigging idea. That's the next step for when we ever manage to break through our universe's wall.

But what if the universe isn't a membrane, and the universe is just a bunch of stars, galaxies and other celestial objects . The 'end' of our galaxy is where the outermost star lies, but that star is travelling further outwards every second, by millions of lightyears. It could possibly be travelling into black space.

But then the question is, where did this black space come from, and does it go on forever?

An interesting fact: When the Hubble space telescope photographed galaxies billions of lightyears away, the light from those galaxies produce an image of what they looked like when they first existed. The light has taken so long to travel to earth, that we cannot see what they look like at the present time.

Last edited by Ryan (2008-02-03 14:38:06)

Th universe ends a the end of my computer desk. But seriously there HAS to be other Human Life out there There has to be. and we were "Placed" on this planet by some superior being of sorts and that5s why apes havent evolved into humans yet. they would have but we interfered by being Placed on this Planet.

Ryan wrote:

dayarath wrote:

Ryan wrote:

The universe does end. In about 10 seconds, the universe expands 10 trillion cubic light years. It has been doing so ever since the big bang. What it is expanding into is unknown. So that means there is something beyond our universe, but we don't know what is beyond it. Possibly just black space.

And yes, there is life on other planets. I guarantee it.

Well, you could suppose our universe is like, a big, huge membrane. (They can grow this large in theory, if there's enough energy around to feed on.) meaning, that outside our universe there's some kind of energy source it taps from and grows from. Now in order for so incredibly frigging much energy to be there, you basically need two of these universe-membranes to bump into eachother in high speed. When this happens, the blast that's made out of the collision, generates so much energy that another universe or membrane can come into existance. Meaning, beyond our universe there have to be more universae. Atleast, that's the theory. (Most logic one I've read about so far.) What all those universae are doing in one spot? No frigging idea. That's the next step for when we ever manage to break through our universe's wall.

But what if the universe isn't a membrane, and the universe is just a bunch of stars, galaxies and other celestial objects . The 'end' of our galaxy is where the outermost star lies, but that star is travelling further outwards every second, by millions of lightyears. It could possibly be travelling into black space.

But then the question is, where did this black space come from, and does it go on forever?

An interesting fact: When the Hubble space telescope photographed galaxies billions of lightyears away, the light from those galaxies produce an image of what they looked like when they first existed. The light has taken so long to travel to earth, that we cannot see what they look like at the present time.

Ya that's true, that's also with stars and stuff in our own galaxies. The supernovas we discover possibly been billions of years ago. the light of our sun takes 8 minutes to reach the earth too.

Our galaxy works a bit like our solar system. There's some humongous gravitational pull keeping all the stars in our galaxy revolving around the center. That the outward star is moving further outward is possibly that either A; the pull is weakening and maybe our galaxy is 'dying' or B; the sun was so far outward that the pull barely has any effect and it gets swung out of orbit into dead space as it's called.

What's in this deadspace ; no idea. Possibly alot of nebulas / debris of dead stars swung out of their orbits. Funny part is that our galaxies are moving around aswell (ours is moving towards another one right now) meaning there might be an even bigger gravitational pull making the galaxies orbit around something else. Meaning that the dead space inbetween galaxies is just like the space inbetween our own planets. (very basically).

We don't know too much yet, neither do I understand most of the stuff proffesional astrophysicists talk about, but they know. You should ask them :0.

btw; I'm almost convinced our universe is a membrane sorta. Has to be, it's growing.

Last edited by dayarath (2008-02-03 14:46:32)

One can only find the "end" of the universe if one finds its Seams.