You can talk about the Religion you want, but the whole time? I dunno it seems like an obsession.usmarine wrote:
So just so I understand you correctly. If you mention one religion, you have to talk about all of them? You cannot choose one and talk about it? Wow...interesting.sergeriver wrote:
Let me say that I don't understand Organized Religion and the way people worship something they can't see. But I respect their beliefs. I find the vilification of Islam some people make amazing and ignorant.
Yep. It is blasphemy to claim that you are God or the son of God in Islam.Stingray24 wrote:
As I understand it, Jesus is important to Islam only because they assert He was a Muslim and announced Muhammad's coming. They reject the teaching of Jesus in the Bible that He is the way to salvation and also His divinity. I find it rather strange that Islam recognizes Jesus at all since, in the eyes of Islam, Jesus committed a sin by associating Himself with God.
I'm pretty sure Muhammad did not claim to be God, but rather was Allah's prophet. Jesus, however, directly asserted He was God. The confusion for me comes from the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus at all as His assertion that He is God directly contradicts Islam.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Muhammad committed a sin by associating himself with God than, so technically he committed a sin too. Stupid Islam
lul
I like finding hypocrisy in relijun
Uh. He was the prophet and messenger of God, who 'restored' the old religion. Very different from claiming to be God's son/God himself.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Muhammad committed a sin by associating himself with God than, so technically he committed a sin too. Stupid Islam
lul
I like finding hypocrisy in relijun
I thought Jesus was the son of God. He went around saying he was God himself.Stingray24 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Muhammad did not claim to be God, but rather was Allah's prophet. Jesus, however, directly asserted He was God. The confusion for me comes from the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus at all as His assertion that He is God directly contradicts Islam.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Muhammad committed a sin by associating himself with God than, so technically he committed a sin too. Stupid Islam
lul
I like finding hypocrisy in relijun
Dad ain't gonna like that
But, the Abrahamic religions all stem from the same roots and region so they're bound to have loads of similarities. Just like how Hinduism/Buddhism/Jainism/Sikhism all stemmed from the same area and are quite similar too.
They ignore that part. They also claim Jesus was not killed or crucified.Stingray24 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Muhammad did not claim to be God, but rather was Allah's prophet. Jesus, however, directly asserted He was God. The confusion for me comes from the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus at all as His assertion that He is God directly contradicts Islam.
The Trinity, son.Mek-Izzle wrote:
I thought Jesus was the son of God. He went around saying he was God himself.
Dad ain't gonna like that
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They believe the new testament was corrupted by the apostles. Some even say Judas traded places with Jesus on cross.Stingray24 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Muhammad did not claim to be God, but rather was Allah's prophet. Jesus, however, directly asserted He was God. The confusion for me comes from the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus at all as His assertion that He is God directly contradicts Islam.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Muhammad committed a sin by associating himself with God than, so technically he committed a sin too. Stupid Islam
lul
I like finding hypocrisy in relijun
According to Islam he didn't committed a sin at all since he's not considered the son of God but a prophet who announced the arrival of Muhammad or some bull like that.Stingray24 wrote:
As I understand it, Jesus is important to Islam only because they assert He was a Muslim and announced Muhammad's coming. They reject the teaching of Jesus in the Bible that He is the way to salvation and also His divinity. I find it rather strange that Islam recognizes Jesus at all since, in the eyes of Islam, Jesus committed a sin by associating Himself with God.sergeriver wrote:
And why is Jesus one of the three most important persons for Islam?Stingray24 wrote:
The New Testament is where the teachings of Jesus are contained, which are all non-violent. The OT is essentially what led up to Christ's arrival on earth and it is violent because it was a violent time on earth. Compare the doctrine and actions of Jesus and Muhammad and you will find a large contrast.
Jews
/Thread..teddy..jimmy wrote:
Jews
To Islam both Muhammad and Jesus were just prophets not Gods or anything like that.Stingray24 wrote:
I'm pretty sure Muhammad did not claim to be God, but rather was Allah's prophet. Jesus, however, directly asserted He was God. The confusion for me comes from the fact that Islam recognizes Jesus at all as His assertion that He is God directly contradicts Islam.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Muhammad committed a sin by associating himself with God than, so technically he committed a sin too. Stupid Islam
lul
I like finding hypocrisy in relijun
And Jesus also warned of wolves in sheeps skin, and even satan himself appearing as an angle of light. Mohammad didn't get his word from God, he got it supposedly from Gabriel, one of the arch angels mentioned in the Bible.sergeriver wrote:
According to Islam he didn't committed a sin at all since he's not considered the son of God but a prophet who announced the arrival of Muhammad or some bull like that.Stingray24 wrote:
As I understand it, Jesus is important to Islam only because they assert He was a Muslim and announced Muhammad's coming. They reject the teaching of Jesus in the Bible that He is the way to salvation and also His divinity. I find it rather strange that Islam recognizes Jesus at all since, in the eyes of Islam, Jesus committed a sin by associating Himself with God.sergeriver wrote:
And why is Jesus one of the three most important persons for Islam?
According to Islam, all prophets are sinless because they have been forgiven. I don't understand why Islam likes to point the distinction out about the prophets, when anyone who repents to Allah can be forgiven and therefore sinless. Jesus never sinned, so he needs no forgiveness.
Are the passages about stoning wives if they commit adultery / killing gays / killing your kids if they don't listen in the new or the old testament?Stingray24 wrote:
The New Testament is where the teachings of Jesus are contained, which are all non-violent. The OT is essentially what led up to Christ's arrival on earth and it is violent because it was a violent time on earth. Compare the doctrine and actions of Jesus and Muhammad and you will find a large contrast.
-konfusion
Well you people say we do not understand Islam. So when we discuss it, it is wrong????????????sergeriver wrote:
You can talk about the Religion you want, but the whole time? I dunno it seems like an obsession.
Dude you had a sig saying Islam was a disease and the only cure were bullets and nukes or something like that, Lowing's treads only talk about Islam and/or appeasement. There's an obsession. You can talk of whatever you want, freedom of speech me thinks.usmarine wrote:
Well you people say we do not understand Islam. So when we discuss it, it is wrong????????????sergeriver wrote:
You can talk about the Religion you want, but the whole time? I dunno it seems like an obsession.
All the killing is in the OT, a nice reading for kids.konfusion wrote:
Are the passages about stoning wives if they commit adultery / killing gays / killing your kids if they don't listen in the new or the old testament?Stingray24 wrote:
The New Testament is where the teachings of Jesus are contained, which are all non-violent. The OT is essentially what led up to Christ's arrival on earth and it is violent because it was a violent time on earth. Compare the doctrine and actions of Jesus and Muhammad and you will find a large contrast.
-konfusion
Nuke Albania hahhaa but yeah people hate other people not a good sign too much hatred in the world cant we just all get along?
Correct, OT. However, warfare and capital punishment is not the only subject of the OT, which I am sure you are aware. Stoning was for murder, adultery, or homosexuality for both men and women. A rebellious son was also stoned by the leaders of the city if he would not obey his father and mother.sergeriver wrote:
All the killing is in the OT, a nice reading for kids.konfusion wrote:
Are the passages about stoning wives if they commit adultery / killing gays / killing your kids if they don't listen in the new or the old testament?Stingray24 wrote:
The New Testament is where the teachings of Jesus are contained, which are all non-violent. The OT is essentially what led up to Christ's arrival on earth and it is violent because it was a violent time on earth. Compare the doctrine and actions of Jesus and Muhammad and you will find a large contrast.
-konfusion
I wonder if B. Schuss will close this for being a retaliatory thread? Doubt it.
And how is that better than the Sharia law? Both of them seem a bit barbaric IMO.Stingray24 wrote:
Correct, OT. However, warfare and capital punishment is not the only subject of the OT, which I am sure you are aware. Stoning was for murder, adultery, or homosexuality for both men and women. A rebellious son was also stoned by the leaders of the city if he would not obey his father and mother.sergeriver wrote:
All the killing is in the OT, a nice reading for kids.konfusion wrote:
Are the passages about stoning wives if they commit adultery / killing gays / killing your kids if they don't listen in the new or the old testament?
-konfusion
Nah, he didn't ban you for insulting him, so...usmarine wrote:
I wonder if B. Schuss will close this for being a retaliatory thread? Doubt it.
I insulted him? Interesting. Maybe he has thicker skin than you?sergeriver wrote:
Nah, he didn't ban you for insulting him, so...usmarine wrote:
I wonder if B. Schuss will close this for being a retaliatory thread? Doubt it.
He sure has.usmarine wrote:
I insulted him? Interesting. Maybe he has thicker skin than you?sergeriver wrote:
Nah, he didn't ban you for insulting him, so...usmarine wrote:
I wonder if B. Schuss will close this for being a retaliatory thread? Doubt it.
Yeah the OT has some barbaric rules, but the Jews realized that they are not suitable for modern times.
But unlike Jews, there are thousands of Islamic fundamentalists who still obey barbaric laws.
But unlike Jews, there are thousands of Islamic fundamentalists who still obey barbaric laws.
The difference is the Mosaic law was enforced on both men and women back when what we consider barbaric practices were quite common place ... this in contrast to Sharia law in 2008 A.D which is heavily biased against women.sergeriver wrote:
And how is that better than the Sharia law? Both of them seem a bit barbaric IMO.Stingray24 wrote:
Correct, OT. However, warfare and capital punishment is not the only subject of the OT, which I am sure you are aware. Stoning was for murder, adultery, or homosexuality for both men and women. A rebellious son was also stoned by the leaders of the city if he would not obey his father and mother.sergeriver wrote:
All the killing is in the OT, a nice reading for kids.