How was it wrong? neutral is neutral.Left_hand wrote:
lol? Why is it funny? You're statement was factually wrong and was factually corrected.usmarine2005 wrote:
lol....... so they let them fly over? Like they could stop them anyway.Left_hand wrote:
Wrong.
They were neutral....but not that neutral.....Eire provided the British i.e. the Allies with secret airspace corridors and example of which was used by the RAF to find and help sink the Bismark.
Humble pie not lol pie my friend.
Let me spell this out for you. You're obviously having some difficulty.usmarine2005 wrote:
How was it wrong? neutral is neutral.
Nations that support brutal dictators are complicit in the brutality of the dictator and are not worthy of any respect.
The US supported Saddam (among others).
Ireland did not support Hitler.
Ireland > US
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Neutrality is nothing but an illusion.usmarine2005 wrote:
How was it wrong? neutral is neutral.Left_hand wrote:
lol? Why is it funny? You're statement was factually wrong and was factually corrected.usmarine2005 wrote:
lol....... so they let them fly over? Like they could stop them anyway.
Humble pie not lol pie my friend.
imo.
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Turning a blind eye is not better Cam. Not doing anything about it is even worse.CameronPoe wrote:
Let me spell this out for you. You're obviously having some difficulty.usmarine2005 wrote:
How was it wrong? neutral is neutral.
Nations that support brutal dictators are complicit in the brutality of the dictator and are not worthy of any respect.
The US supported Saddam.
Ireland did not support Hitler.
Ireland > US
Supporting a dictator IS FAR FAR FAR WORSE than minding your own business. Only someone of questionable intellect would come to any other logical conclusion. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about your ability to reason.usmarine2005 wrote:
Turning a blind eye is not better Cam. Not doing anything about it is even worse.CameronPoe wrote:
Let me spell this out for you. You're obviously having some difficulty.usmarine2005 wrote:
How was it wrong? neutral is neutral.
Nations that support brutal dictators are complicit in the brutality of the dictator and are not worthy of any respect.
The US supported Saddam.
Ireland did not support Hitler.
Ireland > US
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As do I yoursCameronPoe wrote:
Supporting a dictator IS FAR FAR FAR WORSE than minding your own business. Only someone of questionable intellect would come to any other logical conclusion. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about your ability to reason.
If we went to war to stop Saddam from getting WMDs and using them on his own populace, why didn't we invade in '88 rather than waiting for 15 years? We even had the perfect opportunity to get rid of him after the first gulf war, but apperently gassing your own people was ok back then. Nobody cared about Saddam having WMDs when we were busy selling him the chemicals and equiptment to make the stuff so why now?
We knew years ago that he was a brutal dictator, killed his own populace, waged wars of aggression and had WMDs. If we cared about any of that we wouldn't have sent him a parcel of Anthrax and botulism to use.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/ussuppliedgerms.html
Saddam having WMDs as a reason for the invasion clearly makes no sense at all.
We knew years ago that he was a brutal dictator, killed his own populace, waged wars of aggression and had WMDs. If we cared about any of that we wouldn't have sent him a parcel of Anthrax and botulism to use.
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/EPI/bioter/ussuppliedgerms.html
Saddam having WMDs as a reason for the invasion clearly makes no sense at all.
Ireland wasn't a player on the international stage Cam.
Facts are facts.
I agree with your premise, but it is a fallacy to compare a country the size of Idaho to the U.S.
Facts are facts.
I agree with your premise, but it is a fallacy to compare a country the size of Idaho to the U.S.
Zero?Turquoise wrote:
Saddam had just as much right to have WMDs as we do.
I wasn't the person that just said something patently ridiculous!usmarine2005 wrote:
As do I yoursCameronPoe wrote:
Supporting a dictator IS FAR FAR FAR WORSE than minding your own business. Only someone of questionable intellect would come to any other logical conclusion. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about your ability to reason.
lol
usmarine logic:
Minding your own business is WORSE than wholeheartedly supporting a brutal dictator!
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
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Try.......the feeling is mutual?usmarine2005 wrote:
As do I yoursCameronPoe wrote:
Supporting a dictator IS FAR FAR FAR WORSE than minding your own business. Only someone of questionable intellect would come to any other logical conclusion. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about your ability to reason.
That quickly got off track.
Anyway, I think posts to pre-91 Saddam are relevant, because if you think about it, someone isn't likely to just do away with their WMD's. If right now, the USA said that we have disabled ALL of our Nuclear Weapons, would any of you take us seriously? 10 Years from now, if we wouldn't let Swiss Inspectors into our "Former" Nuclear Storage bunkers, wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious?
Anyway, I think posts to pre-91 Saddam are relevant, because if you think about it, someone isn't likely to just do away with their WMD's. If right now, the USA said that we have disabled ALL of our Nuclear Weapons, would any of you take us seriously? 10 Years from now, if we wouldn't let Swiss Inspectors into our "Former" Nuclear Storage bunkers, wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious?
Weapons inspection ran from 1991 onward - your analogy is flawed. It's not like they turned up 10 years later and asked them what the story was...Major.League.Infidel wrote:
That quickly got off track.
Anyway, I think posts to pre-91 Saddam are relevant, because if you think about it, someone isn't likely to just do away with their WMD's. If right now, the USA said that we have disabled ALL of our Nuclear Weapons, would any of you take us seriously? 10 Years from now, if we wouldn't let Swiss Inspectors into our "Former" Nuclear Storage bunkers, wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious?
What has that to do with supporting Saddam? Even if you had the size of Ireland it would be wrong.ATG wrote:
Ireland wasn't a player on the international stage Cam.
Facts are facts.
I agree with your premise, but it is a fallacy to compare a country the size of Idaho to the U.S.
Who the hell are you? Don't tell me what to type.Left_hand wrote:
Try.......the feeling is mutual?
Alright then, imagine then if for those entire 10 years, inspectors were constantly met with Red Tape, and denied entry. If we have nothing to hide, why wouldn't we let them in? It can be assumed that any rational person would make any attempt to prove their own innocence. Then you get to Saddam not wanting Iran to think he had none, leading us to believe that he had them as well. Saddam also said that he wanted them (again).CameronPoe wrote:
Weapons inspection ran from 1991 onward - your analogy is flawed. It's not like they turned up 10 years later and asked them what the story was...Major.League.Infidel wrote:
That quickly got off track.
Anyway, I think posts to pre-91 Saddam are relevant, because if you think about it, someone isn't likely to just do away with their WMD's. If right now, the USA said that we have disabled ALL of our Nuclear Weapons, would any of you take us seriously? 10 Years from now, if we wouldn't let Swiss Inspectors into our "Former" Nuclear Storage bunkers, wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious?
Yes but I just don't buy into this 'necessity' to take to the 'international stage'. Supporting dictators and tramping around the world in search of oil and dollars down the barrel of a gun is not what I would regard as a good thing.ATG wrote:
Ireland wasn't a player on the international stage Cam.
Facts are facts.
I agree with your premise, but it is a fallacy to compare a country the size of Idaho to the U.S.
No my dear.CameronPoe wrote:
I wasn't the person that just said something patently ridiculous!usmarine2005 wrote:
As do I yoursCameronPoe wrote:
Supporting a dictator IS FAR FAR FAR WORSE than minding your own business. Only someone of questionable intellect would come to any other logical conclusion. Jesus, sometimes I wonder about your ability to reason.
lol
usmarine logic:
Minding your own business is WORSE than wholeheartedly supporting a brutal dictator!
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
Watching Hitler walk across Europe and kill Jews and cripples is no better than supporting Saddam during that short period.
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
There was no red tape. Saddam was a defeated party in a war. He only attempted to stick up red tape in 1998. If you had unsuccessfully invaded a massive nation you'd want to make them think you could still throw a decent punch, hence your statement saying he 'led us to believe' he had them. I don't buy that. I think US intelligence knew full well the situation in Iraq - they're not muppets - and they just went in anyway. I don't for one second believe that US intelligence was as poor as they're making it out to be.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
Alright then, imagine then if for those entire 10 years, inspectors were constantly met with Red Tape, and denied entry. If we have nothing to hide, why wouldn't we let them in? It can be assumed that any rational person would make any attempt to prove their own innocence. Then you get to Saddam not wanting Iran to think he had none, leading us to believe that he had them as well. Saddam also said that he wanted them (again).
Total Area of Idahosergeriver wrote:
What has that to do with supporting Saddam? Even if you had the size of Ireland it would be wrong.ATG wrote:
Ireland wasn't a player on the international stage Cam.
Facts are facts.
I agree with your premise, but it is a fallacy to compare a country the size of Idaho to the U.S.
83,642 sq mi
Total Area of Ireland
32,591 sq mi
Total Area of Indiana
36,418 sq mi
*Edits ATG's post to say Indiana*
We (the U.S.) did watch Hitler walk across Europe until it explicitly became in our interest (12/7/1941) to enter the war. We knew he was killing Jews - just as we knew Saddam was gassing "his own people" and didn't do shit about it.usmarine2005 wrote:
No my dear.CameronPoe wrote:
I wasn't the person that just said something patently ridiculous!usmarine2005 wrote:
As do I yours
lol
usmarine logic:
Minding your own business is WORSE than wholeheartedly supporting a brutal dictator!
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
Watching Hitler walk across Europe and kill Jews and cripples is no better than supporting Saddam during that short period.
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
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To be fair, the inspectors should have known what they were looking for, we still had all the reciepts.Major.League.Infidel wrote:
Alright then, imagine then if for those entire 10 years, inspectors were constantly met with Red Tape, and denied entry. If we have nothing to hide, why wouldn't we let them in? It can be assumed that any rational person would make any attempt to prove their own innocence. Then you get to Saddam not wanting Iran to think he had none, leading us to believe that he had them as well. Saddam also said that he wanted them (again).CameronPoe wrote:
Weapons inspection ran from 1991 onward - your analogy is flawed. It's not like they turned up 10 years later and asked them what the story was...Major.League.Infidel wrote:
That quickly got off track.
Anyway, I think posts to pre-91 Saddam are relevant, because if you think about it, someone isn't likely to just do away with their WMD's. If right now, the USA said that we have disabled ALL of our Nuclear Weapons, would any of you take us seriously? 10 Years from now, if we wouldn't let Swiss Inspectors into our "Former" Nuclear Storage bunkers, wouldn't it seem a bit suspicious?
And we did something about it at least. We could have just went to Japan right? But we didn't.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We (the U.S.) did watch Hitler walk across Europe until it explicitly became in our interest (12/7/1941) to enter the war. We knew he was killing Jews.
Didn't you guys do that for about two years too? Didn't you enter the war in 1941? It's irrelevant anyway because like I said - facilitating, arming and supporting a brutal dictator is WORSE THAN doing nothing. There is just no logical argument against that. You can lol all you want, you're comment was ridiculous!!!usmarine2005 wrote:
No my dear.
Watching Hitler walk across Europe and kill Jews and cripples is no better than supporting Saddam during that short period.
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
PS The US has supported more than just Saddam on the dictator front...
Nevermind all the volunteeers and supplies we sent to England to assist them.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
We (the U.S.) did watch Hitler walk across Europe until it explicitly became in our interest (12/7/1941) to enter the war. We knew he was killing Jews - just as we knew Saddam was gassing "his own people" and didn't do shit about it.usmarine2005 wrote:
No my dear.CameronPoe wrote:
I wasn't the person that just said something patently ridiculous!
lol
usmarine logic:
Minding your own business is WORSE than wholeheartedly supporting a brutal dictator!
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL
Watching Hitler walk across Europe and kill Jews and cripples is no better than supporting Saddam during that short period.
LOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOLLOLOLOLOL