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2006-02-14 10:52:21
[iLL]h8+
Member
+26|6955|Florida
Is anyone finding this patch for free anywhere.  Sorry if this is posted in a different thread, but I am at work and do not have the time to read all the responses.

Secondly, after reading about all the jumping/hopping nerfing, how bad is it.  I mean can you still jump or what?  Or can you just not jump and fire?  Either way, I hate the dolphin bunny hopping seizure having toobers.  I just hope you can still jump over things like crates, walls, curbs, steps things like that.  There have been many instances where I am getting shot by a tank or something and I try to jump over a wall and the little sidewalk curb thing completely owns me and makes me do this little hop thing that throws my jump timing off.  That is annoying. 

I do think they shouldnt have nerfed the choppers.  The planes did need a nerf, because they would be off the screen before the AA rockets even took off sometimes.  TV missle should be shortened.  Sharqi was known for being on the TV station, turning towards the Mec spawn and BAM, without even seeing it coming.

Red/Blue Name should have been fixed a LONG ass time ago.  Drop the ball there.

Jumping and chucking C4 should have not been too nerfed because, sometimes, that is the only way to reach a sniper or any body for that matter on a roof or something.  Especially when the Claymore the ladder.  Or if you want to C4 the top of the flag pole for the heli capture people.

I dont understand about the mines you guys are talking about turning things off????

And I am sooooo dissapointed in the Sniper rifle being beefed up.  That will not promote flag capturing.  This is going to be Armored vehicles getting flags only, because otherwise you are going to get sniped all damn day.

Either way, no matter what they do or do not do, someone is going to bitch.  Everyone likes different aspects of the game and you just need to adjust or get better at something else.  Its not like more than half of the people who play this game just learn the exploits and work them to death.

I am not going to call anyone noobs or whatever, because war is about getting the advantage.  Hacking and exploiting is just a matter of Gamers Morals.  If you are actually a skilled player, you do not need the exploits, if you are a "noob" this term is for New players or people who just are "new" to playing on a skilled level. 

Either way, a skilled player can even over come noobish moves, or over powered vehicles.  In the last patch you complained about the AA underpower (which I agree) I think AA should be harder to lock on, but once it does lock on, it should definitely make you move you ass somewhere else.

If there is a noob toobin bunny hopper, nothing like a properly place C4.  HumV always, makes a Chopper smoke.  Armor whores always run from anit tanks.  Snipers get eaten alive once you find where they are by all classes. 

My point is no matter how they balance the game, there will be a counter balance.  Now your job is to find it without exploiting or being a un skilled player about it.

Sorry so long and can someone post a direct free link to get the patch.  Thanks
2006-02-14 10:55:19
belfong
Member
+0|6886
I like the new patch, all the F#*%ng bunny hoppers are gone!
And it's more realistic now, some people likes it, some does'nt (too bad for them).
2006-02-14 10:58:48
[pib]xenium
Member
+0|6890|Netherlands

B.Schuss wrote:

I am @ work, so I haven't had the opportunity to download and install the new patch, but from what I hear around the forums, this patch will indeed separate the good pilots from the bad. No more bombing runs over enemy bases without having to worry about AA. And maybe people will finally start to use those AA emplacements now.

btw, in any real conflict the first thing the Air Force does is attack the enemy's AA assets to make sure they have air superiority. For those who complain about AA being to strong now I suggest you simply change your tactics and take out the AA before you do your bombing runs.

For those who like the ground game ( like I do ) it's a great thing that you can actually do something about those jets and helos now, even without having decent pilots on your team.
might be good for pilots to coop with snipers to eliminate the aa
2006-02-14 11:00:05
ShakaZuluKhan
Member
+0|6957|Chicago

[iLL]h8+ wrote:

Is anyone finding this patch for free anywhere.  Sorry if this is posted in a different thread, but I am at work and do not have the time to read all the responses.
I got the patch from a spot listed at www.bf2player.com They have a list of places to d/l the new patch, one of them is a free, direct download, though I don't remember which offhand, but its pretty easy to figure out which via trial/error.
2006-02-14 11:03:58
General_CoLin_Tassi
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+-2|6939|England, UK

uk.solidsnake wrote:

Fschwang wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Don't agree with lowering the attack heli's abilities but accept the range deduction for the TV's, although I hope its no less than 500m. Attack heli's can be difficult to battle but saying that, a 5 second burst from a .50 on a jeep etc or one AT rocket gets them smoking. I think only the noobish players or players with no AA abilities have been moaning about this one.
Have to disagree, Yes a 5 second burst from a .50cal will get them smoking, but how often do you get the chance to sit there for 5 seconds and shoot at an alert chopper pilot? Normally the scenario plays out a little like this:

A, .50cal gunner open up.

B, Chopper pilot locates gunner, health still over half.

C, Chopper either releases salvo of rockets or a TV missile.

D, .50cal gunner dead, chopper may or may not be smoking, but what does it matter because pilot can just go and repair anyway.

AT rocket scenario often plays out like this:

A, AT troop launches rocket.

B, Rocket hits, chopper may or may not be smoking. Or Rocket misses (More frequent) chopper intact

If Rocket hits: Chopper pilot locates AT troop and creams him with gun while At troop is desperately wishing his launcher would reload.

If Rocket misses pilot conitnues on his merry way often getting out of practical range for another go with the AT rocket.

Don't get me wrong, I can understand chopper pilot's frustration, but I often find myself going up against an attack chopper, completely defenceless because whatever weapons I have are simply not doing a decent amount of damage to the chopper. Look at it from the other player's point of view. If a chopper is getting damaged he can fly away at great speed to get repaired, if a ground troop is getting damaged he can pretty much start wriitng his will if it is a chopper doing the damaging.

The point of this long post? Choppers needed their Hitpoints reducing in my view. Please note this is all based on my expereinces in the game, yours may (and probably have) differ due to the face you're all probably much better than me.
So by your logic, what you basically want is the ability for one ground troop to take out a military helicopter? If so, that's a bit selfish. If you want to take down a chopper, spot it out for your squad members and tell them to attack it. Battlefield was designed as a team based game, if you correctly use a well managed squad, you will dominate. However, all these whiners simply want an easy game, I am in no way saying you are whining however I find it stupid that you think one ground troop should be able to single handedly take down a chopper.

I find it really disappointing that people just want easy frags. If people would just work as a team to take down stronger units there would be no need to weaken them. This patch just allows aircraft to be taken down single handedly, which practically ruins the game for pilots.

Ah well.
Thanks solid. Well said.
Just a few points to Fschwang:-

1. When shooting an attack heli with a .50 you can easily take half its health and get it smoking. Best thing to do is wait near the jeep or be ready on the gun but don't move it. This sometimes gives you the element of suprise. When you feel you've got a good shot, jump in the jeep turret or turn the gun onto target and unload. While they are turning around, your unloading the .50 on the mofo. If its a good pilot they will go for repairs. If they decide to stay and they are gunning for me, I exit the jeep and fire off an AT missile. Now, I'm pretty good at AT ing anything; ground or air so proberly 50% of the time I'll get a hit. Chopper goes dowm.

2. When using AT against attack heli it takes 2 ,yes folks thats just 2!, shots to take it down so if you get a hit, they take half damage and go for repairs as one more shot will take them down. Not all pilots do this though and may get shot down. Plus I'm proberly not the only AT guy there. Plus there's maybe someone in a jeep at the same time, whose got the intellegence to get on that .50. Piece of cake.

3. Someone's I get owned. But when I respawn I'm gunning for ya!!!!!!!

Improve your play lad! Listen to the General and solidsnake!
2006-02-14 11:04:33
[DEI]Bart
fire at will!!!
+76|6952|Leiden, Holland for the n00bs

[iLL]h8+ wrote:

Sorry so long and can someone post a direct free link to get the patch.  Thanks
at here:

if you havent got 1.12: (358MB)
mirrror 1


mirrror 2


if you have 1.12 (82MB)
mirrror 1


mirrror 2
2006-02-14 11:09:27
Beatdown Patrol
Member
+1|6977

1SFG-Hawk wrote:

you have no room to talk dude...  by the look of your stats you are a lazy sniper prick.  why would anyone in their right mind want to play S N I P E R (Same Noob I Pown Every Round).  OH I KNOW WHY!!!!  Because you cant ground combat...You cant CQB....and God knows you cant fly.  Ive seen your filthy little dick trickle stats.

BTW guys SAM's do not always contact their target.  they have a 30 maybe 40 percent chance of hitting their mark.  Admittingly its better than a 0 percent chance.  The point I am trying to make is EA jacked up the air defenses in order to keep you boys alive. OKAY!!!  So why weaken the aircraft when its easier to hit them now? 

IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!
Here we go with the "look at XXXX's stats, he's a XXXX-whore and sux...yadda-yadda"  Since you would like to make this a personal attack, I'll bite.  Let's analyse both of our stats for a moment.

http://bf2s.com/player/44772995/

http://bf2s.com/player/1SFG-Hawk/

I figured that you would pick on the fact that I am an Engineer and use tanks more often than not, but oh well.  This is going to come as a surprise to you since you spent so much time in the air, but I am a Combat Sniper.  That means that I act as a Squad Leader and forward observer for the squad of troops I always lead.  I support THEM while THEY take the flag point, spot OPFOR, act as a spawn point, and assist them in killing targets.  You state my use of the Sniper kit with disdain...as if I have a kill ratio like your 9 to 1 ratio for air, but interestingly...it is 1.13 to 1.  That means that either I completely suck (which is probably not the case with a 45% acc. rating) or I am very much in the thick of battle...unlike you when you fly the friendly skies.

Speaking of you...let's look at some interesting info.

You have 288 HOURS of aircraft time...almost as much time as I have spent playing the game.  26,500 kills with only 3,000 deaths.  Sure fits the NTFB model I mentioned in my previous post.  You have 10 EXPERT badges (11 Experts after you get your 300th HOUR in a jet by the weekend) and I would wager a very large sum of money that ALL of them have been obtained from you simply switching kits while in a plane to get them.  Real talent there, high speed.  The only reason why you have not gotten your other badges to expert is because you don't have the 100 hours of time invested into them yet.  Not to fret.  Looking at the 813 hours that you have already spent playing the game...I am very confident that you will.  Let us continue....

Weapons stats.  Nice 15% accuracy rating there, bullseye.  I guess that when you don't have the blast radius of a few 2,000 lbs. to work with, it makes it more difficult to hit anything, eh?  3,322 kills with C4 and 1,191 suicides with the Spec Ops being your most used kit.  So you are a Unibomber/Car Bomber too.  Nice.  More talent.  Sit in one spot.  Wait.  Luckless sap comes along.  Press big red EASY button.  Set explosive on Hummer, drive into a crowd of baddies, dive out, press the big red EASY button.  Moving along....

You have 800+ hours of gameplay and only 2,244 Flag Caps, 2,162 Flag Assists, and 1,039 Defends.  I have 312 hours of gameplay (almost a third of your playing time) and have 2,090 Flag Caps, 1,157 Flag Assists, 719 Flag Defends.  For all the time you spend on the ground, you don't do much to help the team, Lone Ranger.  Based on your 300 Gold Stars, 274 Silver Stars, and 224 Bronze Stars and the slew of other medals you can only get by flying in your invincible jet, you are EXACTLY the type of person I hope quits the game out of frustration from being exposed as a No Talent Flyboy, No Talent Ground Pounder, No Talent Gamer.

...and since you are too mired in your own pity party to understand, I will explain why the hitpoints were lowered.  AA missiles lock on better...AA cannons do not lock on at ALL.  AA cannons were completely ineffective in dropping aircraft.  You could smoke the barrel with any AA vehicle on any full health helo with every shot hitting dead center and it would lay an egg (aka...a missile down your barrel) and fly away.  WTF have AA vehicles that do a better job killing infantry than doing what they are supposed to do and that is to swat aircraft.  Plus...why are you whining about that?  You have spent more time in the seat of a jet than most pilots fly all year in real life.  Even hitting a fast mover with AA Cannons is already more luck than anything else and the chances of actually shooting one down will not dramatically increase with this patch.

- Beatdown

Last edited by Beatdown Patrol (2006-02-14 11:19:06)

2006-02-14 11:14:46
General_CoLin_Tassi
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Cbass wrote:

1SFG-Hawk wrote:

uk.solidsnake wrote:

Great, so aircraft have been weakened so that people on the ground can have a better gaming experience. I guess it doesn't occur to a lot of people that for some players, aircraft is all they can do. Some people only enjoy flying aircraft, others enjoy ground work.

Sure, aircraft are powerful, but flying a chopper or plane around on a heavily populated server without being shot down is difficult. If a jet is whoring on a map, it generally has nothing to do with the game mechanics. It's because your pilots aren't doing their fucking job. If a jet is dominating the skies, get in your jet and give him some grief. Don't moan that aircraft are overpowered if you aren't even attempting to hinder their whoring. Some people talk about aircraft as if only one team get them. Both get the same vehicles.
very nicely said there bud!! I couldnt agree more...what a screwed up patch job.

I cant wait for the 1.25 patch to come out
It will be called "We fucked up, so heres your game back"
U guys have obviously never been on the recieving end of a jet whore bombing your position in 10 second intervals. Or not getting to drive 10ft w/o being bombed. or useing an AA battery in hopes of shooting down the aircraft only to have nothing happen.
Obviously you had crap pilots on  your team. I agree with a better lock on jets with ground AA but people who moan about airplanes, heli's being overpowered need to realise that they have the same hardware on their team. Its like only the opposing side have the jets etc. lol. If your being bombed every 10 seconds, spawn elsewhere or keep spoting the jet and take cover. If your pilots are noobs or the jets are on ground you will get bombed, shot, TV'd. Maybe get in a jet yourself!
2006-02-14 11:14:48
[iLL]h8+
Member
+26|6955|Florida
Thank you for posting the links.  By the way, its officially released on the BF2 site, but the links are not working.  Thanks again.

h8
2006-02-14 11:17:37
uk.solidsnake
Member
+3|6947|England, UK

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

Ya see...the problem is that most of the NTFBs have no clue how deadly AA is in real life...hence their tactics in the game are based on a false perception that air power trumps everything.  Newsflash, NTFBs...something with radar tracking or puts up 4,500 rounds per minute is SUPPOSED to be respected and is supposed to kill you in less than a seconds.  That is why you avoid the stationary ones or kill them with TVGMs.  Now, instead of flying around the battlefield and laughing like an NFL linebacker playing in a high school football game, you have to worry about something that can actually challenge your superiority.

Instead of jumping into a thread and whining about how you can no longer get 20 to 1 kill ratios, I suggest you STFU and start thinking about how you are going to need to change your previously "untactical" tactics.  That is what we have been doing while trying to figure out how to stay alive against your previously unchallenged superiority.

- Beatdown
So I guess you are playing the "realistic" card now, right? Well, I can do that too. In real life aircraft have multiple different countermeasures. They are faster, have a MUCH more devastating payload, and can take out targets from miles away. But you failed to think about that since you are clearly against all forms of aircraft.

Personally, I don't really care, I prefer ground work anyway, but I do enjoy the occasional round in a chopper or helicopter, it allows me to break from the stupor of constantly running around after flags. I am however disappointed that aircraft have been made substantially weaker where more common threats such as armour have not been addressed. I also found it very interesting that, when checking your stats, over half of your kills come from armour. I guess I can call you a no talent armour boy, right? I mean, lets be honest here, sitting in a tank is quite possibly the easiest way to get frags, easier than aircraft. You can even sit next to an ammo crate, which realistically repairs holes in your tank! Wow.

Moral of the story? Realism smealism.
2006-02-14 11:23:22
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|6933|Howell, Mi USA

bhnrecon wrote:

like i said... if the other team is doing there job... i am not trying to flame someone.. but by all means.. you wanna start it up cool.... if the other team is using the tools they have at hand... then it becomes hard... which spawn point did the MEC have.. was it air port... if not then you effectly killed their chances when you took that.. if they had air port... then it is their fault for not having a piolt skilled enough to take out the enemy plane... if you are in an air fight for 8 to 9 mins with 1 plane then guess what... makes it hard to drop bombs... come fly with me before all the servers are patched... then if you are a good piolt it will take a lengthy dog fight ... if not.. you will be reaching for the "e" key before too long...


~Recon
Well the MEC had the bridge CP not the airport. i was using that situation as saying it's not hard to get 20-30 kills in a jet. and ive seen many times a jet being chased by another jet and still droping his load on a target with decent accuracy. It's all about timing. On the other hand other jets are ALL u have have to worry about. im a tank whore, while im capping CP's i have to lookout for SpecOp assholes w/ C4, landmines,other tanks/APC's, artillery, AT soldiers, C4 carbombers that come out of nowhere, and still watch the sky's for a jet about to bomb me soon as they see the flag go neutral.

Your smart to challange a tank man to a dogfight. ive played enough flight sims to know how to fly but not in BF2 i only have 9 hours aviator and 103 hours armor. It's like apples to oranges dude.
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2006-02-14 11:26:57
Mason4Assassin444
retired
+552|6901|USA
Hello-

I see on the EA site where to download it but I get the CANNOT FIND ADDRESS page when I click it. Anyone else having issues?
2006-02-14 11:29:52
JaM3z
Banned
+311|6949
just to clear things up on the new sniper

IT WILL KILL ONE SHOT TO THE CHEST only if your victim is less then about 150-200yards from you

IT WILL KILL 2 SHOTS TO CHEST 200 yards+

IT WILL KILLS MEDIC/SPEC OP (no armor) 200 yards+ away
2006-02-14 11:33:44
engineer
Member
+3|6962|Aalborg, Denmark

MrBrain wrote:

I see an possible exploit(?) with AT mines. The servers now got an option to turn off friendly fires for AT mines separately. I.e. all engineers will throw mines as crazy while being on the enemy side it's not possible to blow them up anymore with a tank/APC. As it isn't hard enough to see them, now you can't destroy them even if you see them.

And mark my word for it, there will be A LOT of AT mines on the ground from now on.

The red bug is still there, and the GL (GRENADE!!!) got a smaller blast raduis as if it wasn't small enough before. Also there is a rumor that says that the new sniper rifle kills with one shot i the chest also.

A lot of unbalance to a pretty well balanced game as it is (except for those crappy stingers/AA-vehicles)

[edit]I must be a pro complainer, 1st post here [/edit]
New sniper does NOT kill at first in the chest... but u fucking wont surwive if somebody points it to your head
2006-02-14 11:36:45
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|6933|Howell, Mi USA

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Cbass wrote:

1SFG-Hawk wrote:


very nicely said there bud!! I couldnt agree more...what a screwed up patch job.

I cant wait for the 1.25 patch to come out
It will be called "We fucked up, so heres your game back"
U guys have obviously never been on the recieving end of a jet whore bombing your position in 10 second intervals. Or not getting to drive 10ft w/o being bombed. or useing an AA battery in hopes of shooting down the aircraft only to have nothing happen.
Obviously you had crap pilots on  your team. I agree with a better lock on jets with ground AA but people who moan about airplanes, heli's being overpowered need to realise that they have the same hardware on their team. Its like only the opposing side have the jets etc. lol. If your being bombed every 10 seconds, spawn elsewhere or keep spoting the jet and take cover. If your pilots are noobs or the jets are on ground you will get bombed, shot, TV'd. Maybe get in a jet yourself!
Ok it doesn't matter where u spawn, i tryed it. all a pilot need to see is that lock box on ur HUD by flying over the battlefield, drop bombs and reload, it's that simple.

U guys are mad because your not "invinceable" anymore. we can fight back.
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2006-02-14 11:38:28
-=THC_RU=-
Member
+0|6947

1SFG-Hawk wrote:

-=THC_RU=- wrote:

I am a fighter pilot dude, I fly Mig-31.
youre kidding me right????  your stat sig says youre American, but yet you fly the mig 31!!!???  Gimmie a break liar.  Dream on...Dream on.
However I hate to say it but youre right about everything else. Heh
so what if it says American
I just did not choose the right flag in the beginning. Believe me it hurts me more to see that flag on my stats than it worries u.
I am a fighter pilot, and I do fly MIG-31. that flag, well u can shove it somewhere deep in ur ass.

I will just repeat what I said before(may be in different topic): when u shoot those missiles (be it from plane or stinger, etc.) chances r u will TK ur own chopper or a plane. Well now u get better lock, so u hit ur own team more often.
Was just playing on OMAN, got a very good score (was flying a US fighter plane), but the game was over because everyone in stingers was TKing their own team and got kicked out of the game. so go ahead shoot those missiles, I will make sure u get few bombs that say : "from russia with love"
2006-02-14 11:40:27
breethon
Member
+0|6889

GotMex? wrote:

However I did witness TKing to get into an AA site... when was the last time you saw that!
LOL  that is too funny.
2006-02-14 11:47:55
gooboy911
Member
+0|7017
I have not downloaded the patch yet, but i have a HUGE complaint....

WTF were they thinking when the decided to release this patch on Valentine's Day???? The ones that have wife's gf's, and family are seriously fucked for any solid play time. Thanks for thinking ahead, EA... Thanks alot!

-Goo
2006-02-14 11:51:05
Beatdown Patrol
Member
+1|6977

uk.solidsnake wrote:

So I guess you are playing the "realistic" card now, right? Well, I can do that too. In real life aircraft have multiple different countermeasures. They are faster, have a MUCH more devastating payload, and can take out targets from miles away. But you failed to think about that since you are clearly against all forms of aircraft.

Personally, I don't really care, I prefer ground work anyway, but I do enjoy the occasional round in a chopper or helicopter, it allows me to break from the stupor of constantly running around after flags. I am however disappointed that aircraft have been made substantially weaker where more common threats such as armour have not been addressed. I also found it very interesting that, when checking your stats, over half of your kills come from armour. I guess I can call you a no talent armour boy, right? I mean, lets be honest here, sitting in a tank is quite possibly the easiest way to get frags, easier than aircraft. You can even sit next to an ammo crate, which realistically repairs holes in your tank! Wow.

Moral of the story? Realism smealism.
...and in real life, it take one bullet to kill you, shock paddles don't bring you back from the death with 100% health, Jet and Helos have to LAND to get fuel and re-arm, you can't bring a burning tank back to 100% health in 15 seconds with a wrench, and much much more.  I am very much aware that the game is not realistic in any regard, but here is where your comment falls flat.  If the game is NOT realistic, than the game is at least supposed to be BALANCED to where everybody has a fair chance using skill.  All things being equal, with the proper equipment...I should have a FAIR chance to down an aircraft on the ground.  As it stands right now, against a smart and good BF2 jet pilot...a ground trooper stands less than 1%.  Against a helo pilot?  I would say about 10%  I am not against all forms of aircraft.  I used to play flight sims on a regular basis and I love aircraft.  I simply hate how they are depicted in this game and tactically I am FAR more effective on the ground as a squad leader.  As a pilot, I would be pissed off at the fact that there is no launch warning indicator on jets since there is a huge difference between being painted by radar and being launched on.  It totally makes dropping flares a crap shoot.  I hate the fact that a jet pilots can only drop a flare once every 30 seconds.  That is just plain stupid.  I would hate that AA superiority is a wasted effort since the missiles were as effective at tracking as a paper wrapper being blown off a straw.  Jet pilots on both the enemy and friendly side had almost an unspoken agreement do not engage each other.  Why bother when both pilots can rack up mad points killing each other's troops?

Now...personally, if they REALLY wanted to fix jets and helos, they would reduce the amount of points that a pilot gets for kills by at least half, increase the respawn times of all aircraft, and add a fuel indicator to reduce loitering around the airspace for 10 mins while gunning everything to paste.  It would also be great if infantry had a AA kit to use that was effective against helos.  I feel that would reduce their dominance over the battlefield since pilots would have to be very careful, less "point hogs" would want to fly them, and the amount of logistics in keeping the aircraft in the air would be increased. 

In regard to me being in a tank...I spend most of my time as an Engineer, so I AM dedicated to armor as a support tool, not a means to point farm.  There multiple means to kill armor on the battlefield.  Other tanks and APCs can kill you, AT kits, Spec Ops, TOW launchers, and given enough time or damage...'nade launchers.  We are by no means invincible or unstoppable.  Again...my issuge is BALANCE.  The example I used about real AA was an attempt to explain that the MENTALITY of these NTFBs was such that they should rule the battlefield with little to no chances of dying and that nothing virtual or in real life threatens air.  They have no concern for anything on the ground even if by realistic or logical standards it is something that puts out 4,500 rounds of explosive shells per minute and should be avoided or plinked from long distance.  It is that mentality that I am questioning.

- Beatdown

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2006-02-14 11:51:19
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|6939|England, UK

Cbass wrote:

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

Cbass wrote:

U guys have obviously never been on the recieving end of a jet whore bombing your position in 10 second intervals. Or not getting to drive 10ft w/o being bombed. or useing an AA battery in hopes of shooting down the aircraft only to have nothing happen.
Obviously you had crap pilots on  your team. I agree with a better lock on jets with ground AA but people who moan about airplanes, heli's being overpowered need to realise that they have the same hardware on their team. Its like only the opposing side have the jets etc. lol. If your being bombed every 10 seconds, spawn elsewhere or keep spoting the jet and take cover. If your pilots are noobs or the jets are on ground you will get bombed, shot, TV'd. Maybe get in a jet yourself!
Ok it doesn't matter where u spawn, i tryed it. all a pilot need to see is that lock box on ur HUD by flying over the battlefield, drop bombs and reload, it's that simple.

U guys are mad because your not "invinceable" anymore. we can fight back.
U guys?! wtf. I don't fly heli constantly. I fight against jets, heli's on the ground just like you. Only I'm better than you at it cus I don't moan. And if you think jets and heli's are invinceable, stop playing now!

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2006-02-14 11:57:58
1sfg-ronln
Member
+25|7032

Beatdown Patrol wrote:

1SFG-Hawk wrote:

you have no room to talk dude...  by the look of your stats you are a lazy sniper prick.  why would anyone in their right mind want to play S N I P E R (Same Noob I Pown Every Round).  OH I KNOW WHY!!!!  Because you cant ground combat...You cant CQB....and God knows you cant fly.  Ive seen your filthy little dick trickle stats.

BTW guys SAM's do not always contact their target.  they have a 30 maybe 40 percent chance of hitting their mark.  Admittingly its better than a 0 percent chance.  The point I am trying to make is EA jacked up the air defenses in order to keep you boys alive. OKAY!!!  So why weaken the aircraft when its easier to hit them now? 

IF IT AINT BROKE DONT FIX IT!!!
Here we go with the "look at XXXX's stats, he's a XXXX-whore and sux...yadda-yadda"  Since you would like to make this a personal attack, I'll bite.  Let's analyse both of our stats for a moment.

http://bf2s.com/player/44772995/

http://bf2s.com/player/1SFG-Hawk/

I figured that you would pick on the fact that I am an Engineer and use tanks more often than not, but oh well.  This is going to come as a surprise to you since you spent so much time in the air, but I am a Combat Sniper.  That means that I act as a Squad Leader and forward observer for the squad of troops I always lead.  I support THEM while THEY take the flag point, spot OPFOR, act as a spawn point, and assist them in killing targets.  You state my use of the Sniper kit with disdain...as if I have a kill ratio like your 9 to 1 ratio for air, but interestingly...it is 1.13 to 1.  That means that either I completely suck (which is probably not the case with a 45% acc. rating) or I am very much in the thick of battle...unlike you when you fly the friendly skies.

Speaking of you...let's look at some interesting info.

You have 288 HOURS of aircraft time...almost as much time as I have spent playing the game.  26,500 kills with only 3,000 deaths.  Sure fits the NTFB model I mentioned in my previous post.  You have 10 EXPERT badges (11 Experts after you get your 300th HOUR in a jet by the weekend) and I would wager a very large sum of money that ALL of them have been obtained from you simply switching kits while in a plane to get them.  Real talent there, high speed.  The only reason why you have not gotten your other badges to expert is because you don't have the 100 hours of time invested into them yet.  Not to fret.  Looking at the 813 hours that you have already spent playing the game...I am very confident that you will.  Let us continue....

Weapons stats.  Nice 15% accuracy rating there, bullseye.  I guess that when you don't have the blast radius of a few 2,000 lbs. to work with, it makes it more difficult to hit anything, eh?  3,322 kills with C4 and 1,191 suicides with the Spec Ops being your most used kit.  So you are a Unibomber/Car Bomber too.  Nice.  More talent.  Sit in one spot.  Wait.  Luckless sap comes along.  Press big red EASY button.  Set explosive on Hummer, drive into a crowd of baddies, dive out, press the big red EASY button.  Moving along....

You have 800+ hours of gameplay and only 2,244 Flag Caps, 2,162 Flag Assists, and 1,039 Defends.  I have 312 hours of gameplay (almost a third of your playing time) and have 2,090 Flag Caps, 1,157 Flag Assists, 719 Flag Defends.  For all the time you spend on the ground, you don't do much to help the team, Lone Ranger.  Based on your 300 Gold Stars, 274 Silver Stars, and 224 Bronze Stars and the slew of other medals you can only get by flying in your invincible jet, you are EXACTLY the type of person I hope quits the game out of frustration from being exposed as a No Talent Flyboy, No Talent Ground Pounder, No Talent Gamer.

...and since you are too mired in your own pity party to understand, I will explain why the hitpoints were lowered.  AA missiles lock on better...AA cannons do not lock on at ALL.  AA cannons were completely ineffective in dropping aircraft.  You could smoke the barrel with any AA vehicle on any full health helo with every shot hitting dead center and it would lay an egg (aka...a missile down your barrel) and fly away.  WTF have AA vehicles that do a better job killing infantry than doing what they are supposed to do and that is to swat aircraft.  Plus...why are you whining about that?  You have spent more time in the seat of a jet than most pilots fly all year in real life.  Even hitting a fast mover with AA Cannons is already more luck than anything else and the chances of actually shooting one down will not dramatically increase with this patch.

- Beatdown
HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHA

listen to this reject of the day....  what a fuckin toolbag we got here....

if everyone compares their stats... HAWK has spent 35% of his time in a bird...  his favorite map is karkand....

While this toolbag has spent 44% of his time in armor whoring....  so ask yourself this... who can talk....

you making fun of someone for having more medals than you?


I would waste my time trying to make fun of you more, but its jsut too easy...  and im too busy laughing my ass off...

SO EVERYONE... YOU WANT A GOOD LAUGH>>> COMPARE THOSE 2 STATS.....

HHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAA.... oh man... that hurt... my stomach hurts now

( i am a combat sniper.... who happens to drive a tank around about half the time..... hahahah... your a fucking retard.... take a straight blade to your wrist...)
2006-02-14 12:00:53
Cbass
Kick His Ass!
+371|6933|Howell, Mi USA
No, my girlfriend moans, im speaking the truth. im tired of haveing no way to defend against jets. btw how is ur defence against jets/helos? prolly the same as mine, like shit. how would pilots like it if they could be taken out in one second with one weapon. they can't be. although it is easier to take out a helo with a tank, it's all about manovering around buildings and timing your shots. but jets 95% of the time u don't see them coming and even if u do theres nothing u can do about it.

Last edited by Cbass (2006-02-14 12:06:22)

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2006-02-14 12:04:55
General_CoLin_Tassi
Member
+-2|6939|England, UK

GotMex? wrote:

All of you chopper pilots have flown for about an hour tops today with the new patch and already dooming yourselves because of AA... Yes the AA is deadly now, we just need to figure out it's new weaknesses and work on eliminating them often. I used to not worry about an AA site targeting me, opting to just strafe midiar.... now I only have the lockon time plus the flare release time to find that AA and take it out. Finally a real challenge.

It'll definatelly take a while to get used to, but it will separate those that really had chopper skills to begin with.
I agree mate. New tactics maybe needed as in take out the AA first. Heli's have flares. Fly in, drop flares and gun that AA mofo. Or maybe TV.
2006-02-14 12:09:19
ShakaZuluKhan
Member
+0|6957|Chicago

General_CoLin_Tassi wrote:

GotMex? wrote:

All of you chopper pilots have flown for about an hour tops today with the new patch and already dooming yourselves because of AA... Yes the AA is deadly now, we just need to figure out it's new weaknesses and work on eliminating them often. I used to not worry about an AA site targeting me, opting to just strafe midiar.... now I only have the lockon time plus the flare release time to find that AA and take it out. Finally a real challenge.

It'll definatelly take a while to get used to, but it will separate those that really had chopper skills to begin with.
I agree mate. New tactics maybe needed as in take out the AA first. Heli's have flares. Fly in, drop flares and gun that AA mofo. Or maybe TV.
Probably TV would be the best.. can't tell you how many times I was sittin gin a tank of jeep and out of nowhere comes a TV missle to send me re-spawning, without me ever seeing where the shooter was.. Granted, range for TV has been reduced, but this'll just make the job that much more challenging

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