at any rate, too much of anything is not good
Time will tell but I think it's a combination of things. We are responsible for emissions & the very heat that each human body produces, but what about the stuff out of our control. The sun getting bigger & bigger moving us out of the comfort zone. The poles are overdue to shift, that would change the equator location & change climates drastically. I believe the planet has cycles that it goes through on a time scale that we couldn't possibly observe & have very little understanding of. The moon drifting farther & farther away, the list is endless.
So with all this I say it's a Fact, but I don't think the experts have accounted for all of the factors involved or what will happen after the warming stage, another ice age perhaps?
Anyways our galaxy is hurling itself into another so were all doomed anyways, have fun & enjoy life!
So with all this I say it's a Fact, but I don't think the experts have accounted for all of the factors involved or what will happen after the warming stage, another ice age perhaps?
Anyways our galaxy is hurling itself into another so were all doomed anyways, have fun & enjoy life!
Well, if you ask me I prefer to use my moved by oil car rather than any shitty car with biofuel. Cars with oil are fun to drive, and besides when you use biofuel, there's an increase in the cost of food, because you are demanding more corn/sugar. We don't know that much about this. But global warming is enhanced by our actions.dayarath wrote:
Problem is we don't know what our involvement in the enviroment has done exactly. That in a period like that britain was good for growing wine grapes indicates there might be just more to it than our CO2 / Methane production. There are a zillion of factors you have to keep in mind when thinking of global warming, yes it's like maths.sergeriver wrote:
Look, the climate isn't maths, so you can't predict exactly the changes it will have. I think global warming is taking place, as it did before we were here. The thing is we contributed to increase this natural process, and that is fact. My point is don't think there's no global warming because the winter is colder in many places. It has to do with the ocean streams being switched off by the ice melting because of the global warming.dayarath wrote:
That is true also but there are fluctuations in between temperatures inbetween those 10.000 years aswell. For example in the roman period Britain probably had the climate of france, they thought it was an excellent place to grow wine grapes.
We can keep debating wether it's global warming or enhanced global warming, by human effect but that doesn't get us anywhere. That we're trying to get to more cleaner ways of driving cars etc is good and all don't get me wrong, but if we could fix this problem by the root at once it would be a lot easier. For all we know it'll just keep getting warmer if we're all driving on biofuel anyway, that'd be troublesome.
global warming is over.
hooray we beat it!
Now everyone go buy a hummer to beat back the impending ice age!
hooray we beat it!
Now everyone go buy a hummer to beat back the impending ice age!
The biofuel thing was just an example. I'm not saying we all should drive with biofuel. Our actions ofcourse have enhanced it one way or another; but what I'm saying is, there's probably alot more to it than just plainly burning fossil fuels.sergeriver wrote:
Well, if you ask me I prefer to use my moved by oil car rather than any shitty car with biofuel. Cars with oil are fun to drive, and besides when you use biofuel, there's an increase in the cost of food, because you are demanding more corn/sugar. We don't know that much about this. But global warming is enhanced by our actions.dayarath wrote:
Problem is we don't know what our involvement in the enviroment has done exactly. That in a period like that britain was good for growing wine grapes indicates there might be just more to it than our CO2 / Methane production. There are a zillion of factors you have to keep in mind when thinking of global warming, yes it's like maths.sergeriver wrote:
Look, the climate isn't maths, so you can't predict exactly the changes it will have. I think global warming is taking place, as it did before we were here. The thing is we contributed to increase this natural process, and that is fact. My point is don't think there's no global warming because the winter is colder in many places. It has to do with the ocean streams being switched off by the ice melting because of the global warming.
We can keep debating wether it's global warming or enhanced global warming, by human effect but that doesn't get us anywhere. That we're trying to get to more cleaner ways of driving cars etc is good and all don't get me wrong, but if we could fix this problem by the root at once it would be a lot easier. For all we know it'll just keep getting warmer if we're all driving on biofuel anyway, that'd be troublesome.
inane little opines
Agreed.dayarath wrote:
The biofuel thing was just an example. I'm not saying we all should drive with biofuel. Our actions ofcourse have enhanced it one way or another; but what I'm saying is, there's probably alot more to it than just plainly burning fossil fuels.sergeriver wrote:
Well, if you ask me I prefer to use my moved by oil car rather than any shitty car with biofuel. Cars with oil are fun to drive, and besides when you use biofuel, there's an increase in the cost of food, because you are demanding more corn/sugar. We don't know that much about this. But global warming is enhanced by our actions.dayarath wrote:
Problem is we don't know what our involvement in the enviroment has done exactly. That in a period like that britain was good for growing wine grapes indicates there might be just more to it than our CO2 / Methane production. There are a zillion of factors you have to keep in mind when thinking of global warming, yes it's like maths.
We can keep debating wether it's global warming or enhanced global warming, by human effect but that doesn't get us anywhere. That we're trying to get to more cleaner ways of driving cars etc is good and all don't get me wrong, but if we could fix this problem by the root at once it would be a lot easier. For all we know it'll just keep getting warmer if we're all driving on biofuel anyway, that'd be troublesome.
Nice post. By the way, your name is a lie "genius"G3|Genius wrote:
global warming is over.
hooray we beat it!
Now everyone go buy a hummer to beat back the impending ice age!
What are you doing in DST anyway?
There's a race going on at the moment regarding the North Pole. Everyone's looking to claim it. The Russians are reviving their nuclear icebreakers that served as tourist attractions because they want in on the oil supplies that are now becoming available due to ice melting. Similar action is also being taken by the US, Canada, Norway, Sweden etc. all of them eager to get a piece of the action. But hey, feel free to deny the obvious.
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Fact, Global Warming happens.
It's happened numerous times before, as proven by ice samples taken from Antarctica.
It's not man made, but at present we do appear to be influencing it.
It's happened numerous times before, as proven by ice samples taken from Antarctica.
It's not man made, but at present we do appear to be influencing it.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Money. People will not bother making fuel-efficient cars, because then the gas companies will suffer. Why should rich middle-aged millionaires work on improving the world when they won't live in it? They'd rather have chocolate pools than a better future for their next of kin.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Yeah, world is getting warmer. Whether it's natural or man made doesn't matter because we still gotta prepare for it.
Also, it's a fact that air pollution is bad. And we would be better off without it.
So why are people so opposed to helping out the environment and preparing future generations in dealing with climate change?
That's my view. It's depressing, but I just enjoy my life normally.
I agreeFatherTed wrote:
Fact, Global Warming happens.
It's happened numerous times before, as proven by ice samples taken from Antarctica.
It's not man made, but at present we do appear to be influencing it.
All the crap were putting into the air/ground isnt good, but it isnt as bad as most people would like you to believe
Well i dunno, too much CO2 in the atmosphere could send us into a massive downward spiral.Wallpaper wrote:
I agreeFatherTed wrote:
Fact, Global Warming happens.
It's happened numerous times before, as proven by ice samples taken from Antarctica.
It's not man made, but at present we do appear to be influencing it.
All the crap were putting into the air/ground isnt good, but it isnt as bad as most people would like you to believe
Co2=more heat retention
=permafrost melting
=massive methane release
=even more heat retention
=doom.
Or so my text book would have me think.
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubbard_GlacierSnorkelfarsan wrote:
This is one Glacier that is not melting, and you're saying this should be proof that Al Gore is lying?
Make that two, sir.
Fact.
Man made or not there's no harm in recycling and getting away from fossil fuels
global warming is my fault really. I go outside everyday and spray 5 cans of hairspray empty just for giggles.
This study is pretty good IMO.
"The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.
"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."
"The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.
"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."
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Waaaaaaaaayyyyy someone who gets it.FatherTed wrote:
Fact, Global Warming happens.
It's happened numerous times before, as proven by ice samples taken from Antarctica.
It's not man made, but at present we do appear to be influencing it.
Global Warming is happening, we do not help of course, but we dont play a really big role in that...people just like to make this a Drama and blame the whole humanity for something natural...
I see it like smoking, you will die anyway, by smoking you just dont help.
I see it like smoking, you will die anyway, by smoking you just dont help.
global climate change
It's a cycle...
climates change...
things heat up..
things cool...
people make up shit to scare everyone and try to criple industrializing future superpowers by cutting off their supply of fossil fuels..
It's a cycle...
climates change...
things heat up..
things cool...
people make up shit to scare everyone and try to criple industrializing future superpowers by cutting off their supply of fossil fuels..
that about sums it up, it has happened thousands of time in the past, and will continue to happen in the future.usmarine2005 wrote:
This study is pretty good IMO.
"The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.
"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."
we've got data for .000004% of weather history, honestly, we don't know anything about long term climate fluctuations, for God's sake, meteorologists can barely predict tomorrow's weather, much less make predictions about 100 years from now.
Predicting WEATHER and GLOBAL TEMP are totally different things. A tiny change somewhere in the world can drastically change the weather a few days later somewhere else, but it sure as hell wont change global temp.S.Lythberg wrote:
that about sums it up, it has happened thousands of time in the past, and will continue to happen in the future.usmarine2005 wrote:
This study is pretty good IMO.
"The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.
"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."
we've got data for .000004% of weather history, honestly, we don't know anything about long term climate fluctuations, for God's sake, meteorologists can barely predict tomorrow's weather, much less make predictions about 100 years from now.
Well.S.Lythberg wrote:
that about sums it up, it has happened thousands of time in the past, and will continue to happen in the future.usmarine2005 wrote:
This study is pretty good IMO.
"The analysis by Hudson Institute Senior Fellow Dennis Avery said 300 of those scientists have found evidence that a natural moderate 1,500-year climate cycle has produced more than a dozen global warmings similar to the current circumstances since the last Ice Age and that such warmings are linked to variations in the sun's irradiance.
"We appear to be overplaying this global warming issue as global warming is nothing new," wrote B.P. Radhakrishna in the new Senate study. He's president of the Geological Society of India. "It has happened in the past, not once but several times, giving rise to glacial-interglacial cycles."
we've got data for .000004% of weather history, honestly, we don't know anything about long term climate fluctuations, for God's sake, meteorologists can barely predict tomorrow's weather, much less make predictions about 100 years from now.
First point is irrelevant. As is the second. Third is completely wrong, fourth even worse, and fifth is pretty poor too.
Bad effort IMO.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
My day is not complete without you calling us stupid.Spark wrote:
First point is irrelevant. As is the second. Third is completely wrong, fourth even worse, and fifth is pretty poor too.
Bad effort IMO.