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Is it right to use nuclear weapons?

Yes37%37% - 49
No62%62% - 82
Total: 131
2008-01-22 18:25:50
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,988|6989|949

Vub wrote:

I think not. I believe it's ok to have them to enforce peace, but not ok to actually use them.
Haha, enforce peace.  Oxymoronic, isn't it?  See quote in sig for further explanation.

The only use of nuclear weapons that would be considered strategic would be a first strike attack on Russian nuclear arsenals.  In fact, that reasoning is the only logical reason Russia keeps their large nuclear arsenal - as a deterrent.

Procurement of nuclear weapons by a nation-state is a power move to gain legitimacy as a world player, whether it is perceived legitimacy or otherwise.  There is no strategic advantage to using a nuclear weapon, only perhaps a cost/benefit ratio compared to more traditional weaponry (and that could still be argued as not strategic because of inherent costs involved in cleanup).

I suggest you read "One World or None".  It is a collection of essays by many of the founders of the U.S. nuclear program and leading scientists including Oppenheimer, Einstein, and Szilard.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-22 18:36:31)

2008-01-22 18:50:11
NantanCochise
Member
+55|6335|Portugal/United States
Now lets just think of Europe in June 1944, and the US possesses nuclear weapons. Germany continues its occupation of much of Europe. America drops the bomb on Berlin and one on Dusseldorf. Ill tell you right now that while this would be a horrible thing to do there would be no need for a D-Day invasion, no Ardennes offensive, no soviet push towards Berlin and its aftermath and obviously a war that lasted almost another year until its end in April 1945. While several hundred thousand Germans would initially die, many more hundreds of thousands would have been saved including the lives of French civilians, US, German and Soviet soldiers.
Im still not justifying this action, its in the past, I find it more important to learn from it and understand why it happened. It is futile for me to condemn the actions of those who took them over 60 years ago when little was know about atomic weaponry and its consiquences by people so eager to end a war that had no end in sight.
2008-01-22 19:23:07
Karbin
Member
+42|6651

NantanCochise wrote:

Now lets just think of Europe in June 1944, and the US possesses nuclear weapons. Germany continues its occupation of much of Europe. America drops the bomb on Berlin and one on Dusseldorf. Ill tell you right now that while this would be a horrible thing to do there would be no need for a D-Day invasion, no Ardennes offensive, no soviet push towards Berlin and its aftermath and obviously a war that lasted almost another year until its end in April 1945. While several hundred thousand Germans would initially die, many more hundreds of thousands would have been saved including the lives of French civilians, US, German and Soviet soldiers.
Im still not justifying this action, its in the past, I find it more important to learn from it and understand why it happened. It is futile for me to condemn the actions of those who took them over 60 years ago when little was know about atomic weaponry and its consiquences by people so eager to end a war that had no end in sight.
Close enough to what I've been saying but, I don't think one would have
been used on Berlin.
You need a national government of some kind to surrender.
Wiping out Berlin would have make that....... problematical. 
2008-01-22 19:33:51
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,988|6989|949

Instead of dropping a nuclear bomb on Berlin, we just carpet-bombed the shit out of them.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-22 19:34:05)

2008-01-22 19:39:48
David.P
Banned
+649|6630
no.
2008-01-23 12:46:04
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7071|US

oug wrote:

SenorToenails wrote:

It was the least bad decision that could be made at the time.
Nobody can say that for sure.
Actually, we can say that for sure!  Have you seen the footage of stockpiled suicide weapons, or the propaganda videos about how to disable and kill US troops without weapons?  Do you even understand the mindset of the Japanese Imperial Military during the war?  How about the thousands of POWs that were to be executed once the US invaded?

You are ignoring a massive amount of evidence in order to make a detached, "moralistic" (I say this, because you would rather condemn 4-7 million people to save 200,000) judgement.

oug wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Don't start a war if you cannot handle war.  They are to blame for the deaths of those people, not us.
The typical casual approach of a person totally distanced from the event.
Your approach rejects logic, evidence, and fact to make a judgement distanced from reality.



***We were planning on dropping the bomb on Germany, but they surrendered before we had a working bomb.

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2008-01-23 12:51:10)

 

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