Cant believe this has gotten to 13 pages discussing a definition of a phrase, the golden days of DST is definately in the past ...
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lowing wrote:
They are not out to appease terrorists. They are appeasing the Muslim community to hopefully make sure they do not turn radical on them.
a) No sacrifice of anything here to my knowledge. Nobody cedes anything.Appeasement is a policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles.
b) Conditions not imposed by any aggressor.
Lowing is wrong with his term appeasement, game, set and match.
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Praying for a better news day...
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No demands have been made for us to give in to.
We are already at war with Radical Islam
...lets see you bullshit your way out of that.
INCONSISTENCIES:lowing wrote:
Again you accuse me of it. Show me the inconsistencies.
2.adam1503 wrote:
lowing wrote:
Then what the hell do you call it when a country is going to re-phrase a war with radical Islam. To make it sound like they are not at war with radical Islam for no other reason than to keep potential radical muslims happy? It is appeasement no matter you want to try an slice it.lowing wrote:
they didn't do this to piss off Bin Laden, they did this to keep from pissing off other Muslims, and we all know what can happen when you piss off a member of this peaceful religion don't we? So they appeased them
HERE IT IS:lowing wrote:
show me where I said all Muslims are terrorists.
3.lowing wrote:
The world wide cartoon riots pretty much suggests that mainstream Islam can ride the ragged edge to radical behavior.
APPEASEMENT:lowing wrote:
Show me how the definition of appeasement DOE NOT apply to the OP. Because I have showed you all several times the difination can apply
Channel 4 wrote:
Giving in to the demands of aggressive powers to avoid war, as long as those demands appear reasonable. ... source
Note in particular the section on appeasement where it is defined as "giving in to demands in order to avoid war."Wikipedia wrote:
Appeasement is a policy of accepting the imposed conditions of an aggressor in lieu of armed resistance, usually at the sacrifice of principles. Usually it means giving in to demands of an aggressor in order to avoid war... source
No demands have been made for us to give in to.
We are already at war with Radical Islam
...lets see you bullshit your way out of that.
Sorry to butt in, but that's not really true. Practically every single muslim country in the Middle East had state sanctioned riots. The vast majority of the vocal minority of muslims who had nothing against the cartoons were Westerners. If anything, they're the ones who don't represent the muslim community as a whole.adam1503 wrote:
They were hardly worldwide. And those that were rioting were quickly denounced by the Muslin community as not representative of Islam as a whole. Dont jump to conclusions about a religion based on the actions of an extreme minority.lowing wrote:
The world wide cartoon riots pretty much suggests that mainstream Islam can ride the ragged edge to radical behavior.adam1503 wrote:
So according to you, all Muslims are potential radicals? That is along the same lines as saying all Christians are potentially White-Supremacists.
Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio … ontroversy for details of state sponsored embargoes and boycotts, as well as public riots.
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Yeah you go girl.kptk92 wrote:
Nowai hosayFlaming_Maniac wrote:
balls Britain, get some
They are allowed to protest aganst the cartoons, they did insult their religion after all. But how many of those protesting were directly hostile, as in calling for bloodshed, towards the west? I doubt it was the majority.mikkel wrote:
Sorry to butt in, but that's not really true. Practically every single muslim country in the Middle East had state sanctioned riots. The vast majority of the vocal minority of muslims who had nothing against the cartoons were Westerners. If anything, they're the ones who don't represent the muslim community as a whole.
Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio … ontroversy for details of state sponsored embargoes and boycotts, as well as public riots.
Generalizing Islam is a common mistake on this forum, bias and appeasement are two other cool words that are misused alot and will continue to be misused ...
You could call it appeasement playing into the hands and demands of the US, so lowing is actually right, he just got the target of appeasement from the wrong camp ... NOT Islam but the US!
You could call it appeasement playing into the hands and demands of the US, so lowing is actually right, he just got the target of appeasement from the wrong camp ... NOT Islam but the US!
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Actually, the majority of them were. Burning flags, destroying stores carrying Danish products, and generally calling for death is usually considered hostile. Whether or not you're convinced of it being a majority is largely irrelevant, as we've already established that most muslims weren't denouncing anything anywhere.adam1503 wrote:
They are allowed to protest aganst the cartoons, they did insult their religion after all. But how many of those protesting were directly hostile, as in calling for bloodshed, towards the west? I doubt it was the majority.mikkel wrote:
Sorry to butt in, but that's not really true. Practically every single muslim country in the Middle East had state sanctioned riots. The vast majority of the vocal minority of muslims who had nothing against the cartoons were Westerners. If anything, they're the ones who don't represent the muslim community as a whole.
Refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internatio … ontroversy for details of state sponsored embargoes and boycotts, as well as public riots.
Okay, ill accept that the majority of muslim in the middle east were fairly hostile towards the west. But I think the reaction to the cartoons was a unique event, and I still dont believe that Islam is inherently hostile to the west. Its attutides like that which alienate mainstream muslims and make them feel they need to defend their faith. The more polarised western opinion becomes against Islam, the more militant and defensive Muslims will become. In this sense, taking a stance that clearly differentiates between mainstream muslims and the radicals is a smart move.mikkel wrote:
Actually, the majority of them were. Burning flags, destroying stores carrying Danish products, and generally calling for death is usually considered hostile. Whether or not you're convinced of it being a majority is largely irrelevant, as we've already established that most muslims weren't denouncing anything anywhere.
Couldn't agree more ...adam1503 wrote:
Okay, ill accept that the majority of muslim in the middle east were fairly hostile towards the west. But I think the reaction to the cartoons was a unique event, and I still dont believe that Islam is inherently hostile to the west. Its attutides like that which alienate mainstream muslims and make them feel they need to defend their faith. The more polarised western opinion becomes against Islam, the more militant and defensive Muslims will become. In this sense, taking a stance that clearly differentiates between mainstream muslims and the radicals is a smart move.mikkel wrote:
Actually, the majority of them were. Burning flags, destroying stores carrying Danish products, and generally calling for death is usually considered hostile. Whether or not you're convinced of it being a majority is largely irrelevant, as we've already established that most muslims weren't denouncing anything anywhere.
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So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
Hey Great Britain Remember the dictator in 30's that you kept appeasing? Remember you let him annex Austria and Czechoslovakia? Remember when he tried to go for poland? Remember when that thrust you into action? Whats gonna take you now to fight back? Whats gonna make you wake up and say "You know what? I'm tired of this shit!" When are you going to stop being such panzies and be the Nation again where the sun never set on? Come on brits dont feel guilty for the acts of your grandfathers, They dont and will keep using that as an excuse to shut you up while they take away whats makes you you!
Yes it isusmarine2005 wrote:
So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
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Oh. I thought it had to do with them chopping off heads and rioting over cartoons.Varegg wrote:
Yes it isusmarine2005 wrote:
So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
Nobody said that. But it is clear that many Muslims feel they are being stereotyped as radicals and as being "anti-west", so it is our duty to make sure we make it clear that we can differentiate between radical and mainstream muslims.usmarine2005 wrote:
So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
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Great Britain is already fighting back, or did you forget who was your primary ally in both Afghanistan and Iraq ?David.P wrote:
Hey Great Britain Remember the dictator in 30's that you kept appeasing? Remember you let him annex Austria and Czechoslovakia? Remember when he tried to go for poland? Remember when that thrust you into action? Whats gonna take you now to fight back? Whats gonna make you wake up and say "You know what? I'm tired of this shit!" When are you going to stop being such panzies and be the Nation again where the sun never set on? Come on brits dont feel guilty for the acts of your grandfathers, They dont and will keep using that as an excuse to shut you up while they take away whats makes you you!
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I hope youre not comparing the appeasement of WWII to us changing how we refer to the radical sects of Islam. The two situations are completely different.David.P wrote:
Hey Great Britain Remember the dictator in 30's that you kept appeasing? Remember you let him annex Austria and Czechoslovakia? Remember when he tried to go for poland? Remember when that thrust you into action? Whats gonna take you now to fight back? Whats gonna make you wake up and say "You know what? I'm tired of this shit!" When are you going to stop being such panzies and be the Nation again where the sun never set on? Come on brits dont feel guilty for the acts of your grandfathers, They dont and will keep using that as an excuse to shut you up while they take away whats makes you you!
Don't compare WW2 to this, please.David.P wrote:
Hey Great Britain Remember the dictator in 30's that you kept appeasing? Remember you let him annex Austria and Czechoslovakia? Remember when he tried to go for poland? Remember when that thrust you into action? Whats gonna take you now to fight back? Whats gonna make you wake up and say "You know what? I'm tired of this shit!" When are you going to stop being such panzies and be the Nation again where the sun never set on? Come on brits dont feel guilty for the acts of your grandfathers, They dont and will keep using that as an excuse to shut you up while they take away whats makes you you!
It seems to me that this debate is over... it was fun while it lasted though.
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I don't think so.adam1503 wrote:
It seems to me that this debate is over... it was fun while it lasted though.
Well if you have something to contribute please do.usmarine2005 wrote:
I don't think so.adam1503 wrote:
It seems to me that this debate is over... it was fun while it lasted though.
EDIT: and where did you get that line in your sig about Islam?
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Explain how the west alienates muslims? And how they do not do the same?adam1503 wrote:
Well if you have something to contribute please do.
adam1503 wrote:
Nobody said that. But it is clear that many Muslims feel they are being stereotyped as radicals and as being "anti-west", so it is our duty to make sure we make it clear that we can differentiate between radical and mainstream muslims.usmarine2005 wrote:
So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
Because they stereotype the west ffs. So they do not want to be stereotyped, yet they have no problem stereotyping?adam1503 wrote:
adam1503 wrote:
Nobody said that. But it is clear that many Muslims feel they are being stereotyped as radicals and as being "anti-west", so it is our duty to make sure we make it clear that we can differentiate between radical and mainstream muslims.usmarine2005 wrote:
So it is our fault they feel alienated? k
You were right, debate over.