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2008-01-19 16:21:55

#126

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6689|North Carolina

lowing wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
lowing wrote:

Well, you weren't appeasers until you pulled this stunt. It is a sign of changes sweeping Europe....I think they call it the Islamisation of Europe. It just looks like GB has gotten on board.
Just a question: Is there anything wrong with a country becoming more Islamic if all the same freedoms remain intact?
That is impossible. freedom and diversity do not go hand in hand with Islam

Um... It goes fine with moderate and reformist Islam. If you're specifically talking about the conservatives of Islam, then you are correct, but again, I think we can effectively filter out most potential conservative ones, since most of them don't even want to move here.

Generally speaking, West-friendly Muslims are the ones moving here.

Now when it comes to Europe, you'd have to ask a European.

2008-01-19 16:22:34

#127

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7042|Argentina

lowing wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Kmarion wrote:

Very few things in this world are as simple as we try to make them. If we are to have a chance at defeating the hate that breeds terrorism we will need the help of moderate Muslims. They will be our strongest ally in the fight against militant Islam.
Exactly, and calling terrorism anti-Islamic activity is a good start to get them into the fight.
So you also have a problem with calling a spade a spade??

First off, if calling a spade a spade will bring me troubles I'll call it anything else. And again this is not appeasement.

2008-01-19 16:22:38

#128

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6885|132 and Bush

sergeriver wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
lowing wrote:
CAIR and organizations like them ARE NOT our strongest ally. Google them if you want.
Never said that they were. I don't agree with CAIR on issues. I'm speaking more to the moderates who are not driven by a political agenda. Believe it or not there are Muslims who don't enjoy car bombs exploding in their marketplaces.
Moderate Muslims? No way man. Source?

I know your kidding . But feel free to read Micheal Yon's dispatches.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-01-19 16:23:46

#129

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6689|North Carolina

lowing wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
lowing wrote:
Turquise, you are indeed a master fence sitter.
Very few things in this world are as simple as we try to make them. If we are to have a chance at defeating the hate that breeds terrorism we will need the help of moderate Muslims. They will be our strongest ally in the fight against militant Islam.
CAIR and organizations like them ARE NOT our strongest ally. Google them if you want.

CAIR does not speak for the majority of Muslims anymore than AIPAC does for the majority of Jews. They are a lobbyist group with terror connections and should be treated as such.

2008-01-19 16:23:58

#130

paranoid101: Ambitious but Rubbish; +540|7024

Turquoise wrote:
paranoid101 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
Lowing, you are a good guy, but this thread sux big time. Appeasement and PC are two different things, and this is not appeasement.
I totally agree that this is PC bullshit we get alot of it in the UK from Middle class folk in committees who seem to think they know minority's want and need in this country.

And yes I also agree that Lowings a good guy and does post some fantastic stuff on here, but this thread is just insulting and baiting.
One thing I find interesting about Britain is that the average person would appear to be very politically correct, whereas the average person here seems to be traditional and maybe a bit prejudiced.

It gives the impression that the U.K. is sometimes too liberal for its own good while America is sometimes too conservative. I suppose Canada would fit somewhere in between us when it comes to politics.

No most normal folk in the UK hate all this PC bullshit, as I posted Its Middle Class Busybodys that cause all this trouble.

Like at Christmas time with all the uproar about Christmas not being called Christmas in certain parts of the country, now did this come from Muslims complaining and having hurt feeling? NO its come from the fecking PC brigade, nearly all Muslims in this country can't understand all this stupid PC bullshit either and themselves had said your causing devisions in this county.

But of cause there bad eggs over here in all faiths, but I will not tar and paint everybody with the same brush, its like If i said all you americans are loudmouth warmongering cunts (Which of cause isnt true) but what Lowing has done as branded all us Brits as Appeasers, so I sure you can guess why im a bit pissed off and angry, I have friends in our forces and fully support our fighting Troops and am proud to be British.

2008-01-19 16:24:00

#131

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

Kmarion wrote:
lowing wrote:
Kmarion wrote:

Very few things in this world are as simple as we try to make them. If we are to have a chance at defeating the hate that breeds terrorism we will need the help of moderate Muslims. They will be our strongest ally in the fight against militant Islam.
CAIR and organizations like them ARE NOT our strongest ally. Google them if you want.
Never said that they were. I don't agree with CAIR on issues. I'm speaking more to the moderates who are not driven by a political agenda. Believe it or not there are Muslims who don't enjoy car bombs exploding in their marketplaces.

If not CAIR, then who exactly is the voice of the "moderate muslim" in America?? They seem to think they have the pulse of their people and I do not see any Muslims in America battling them on any issues.

2008-01-19 16:26:11

#132

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

Exactly, and calling terrorism anti-Islamic activity is a good start to get them into the fight.
So you also have a problem with calling a spade a spade??
First off, if calling a spade a spade will bring me troubles I'll call it anything else. And again this is not appeasement.

Yes serge, if you refuse to call a spade a spade and lie and call it a fork for no other reason than because you are AFRAID you will get beat up for calling it a spade. Then yes, YOU are an appeaser.

2008-01-19 16:27:46

#133

Turquoise: O Canada; +1,596|6689|North Carolina

paranoid101 wrote:
No most normal folk in the UK hate all this PC bullshit, as I posted Its Middle Class Busybodys that cause all this trouble.

Like at Christmas time with all the uproar about Christmas not being called Christmas in certain parts of the country, now did this come from Muslims complaining and having hurt feeling? NO its come from the fecking PC brigade, nearly all Muslims in this country can't understand all this stupid PC bullshit either and themselves had said your causing devisions in this county.

But of cause there bad eggs over here in all faiths, but I will not tar and paint everybody with the same brush, its like If i said all you americans are loudmouth warmongering cunts (Which of cause isnt true) but what Lowing has done as branded all us Brits as Appeasers, so I sure you can guess why im a bit pissed off and angry, I have friends in our forces and fully support our fighting Troops and am proud to be British.

I understand... I'll PM you for more details. I've never actually been to the U.K., but I'd like to visit some day. It would be good to hear from you as to what the political environment is like over there.

2008-01-19 16:28:35

#134

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|7042|Argentina

lowing wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:

So you also have a problem with calling a spade a spade??
First off, if calling a spade a spade will bring me troubles I'll call it anything else. And again this is not appeasement.
Yes serge, if you refuse to call a spade a spade and lie and call it a fork for no other reason than because you are AFRAID you will get beat up for calling it a spade. Then yes, YOU are an appeaser.

No, because I call it a fork because I want to, and maybe by calling it a fork I'll get some benefits I would not get by calling it a spade. That's not appeasement, that's logic and being smart IMO.

2008-01-19 16:29:23

#135

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,981|6916|949

lowing wrote:
It is akin to calling me a racist because I hate gangstas and saggers. well the fact it is, neither gangstas or saggers is a race. But those of you that get upset and defensive spout off shit like Ken and read what they want into a post instead of reading what is written. Never said I think all Muslims are terrorists, unless you can quote me. Muslims that have nothing to with Islamic terrorism have n oreason to be defensive about those of us that beleive in combating it. I simply see no reason to dress up what we are fighting to make it something it is not.

What I read is that you called Great Britain appeasers (and Euroweenies) because according to a tabloid mag a few politicians decide to use a new term for terrorists.

Then you imply that the "War on Terror" isn't actually a War on Terror, but a war on Islamic terrorists - by saying that GB is not calling it what it is.

Either way, you make your charactaristically ignorant generalizations - which is why I call you ignorant.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-19 16:30:08)

2008-01-19 16:31:27

#136

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6885|132 and Bush

lowing wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
lowing wrote:
CAIR and organizations like them ARE NOT our strongest ally. Google them if you want.
Never said that they were. I don't agree with CAIR on issues. I'm speaking more to the moderates who are not driven by a political agenda. Believe it or not there are Muslims who don't enjoy car bombs exploding in their marketplaces.
If not CAIR, then who exactly is the voice of the "moderate muslim" in America?? They seem to think they have the pulse of their people and I do not see any Muslims in America battling them on any issues.

You are suggesting things that I have not said. I am talking about creating allies in the Middle East.
Like these guys:
Three Iraqi Army soldiers tackled a suicide bomber at an Army Day parade and were killed when he exploded his vest.

Malik Abdul Ghanem
Asa’ad Hussein Ali
Abdul-Hamza Abdul-Hassan Rissan

They were friends the Americans and Iraqis did not know we had until they were gone.

http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/the … of-god.htm

http://northshorejournal.org/index.php/ … art-bomber

FORWARD OPERATING BASE HAMMER, Iraq – An Iraqi man saved the lives of four U.S. Soldiers and eight civilians when he intercepted a suicide bomber during a Concerned Citizens meeting in the town of al-Arafia Aug. 18.

The incident occurred while Soldiers from 3rd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, were talking with members of the al-Arafia Concerned Citizens, a volunteer community group, at a member’s house.

“I was about 12 feet away when the bomber came around the corner,” said Staff Sgt. Sean Kane, of Los Altos, Calif., acting platoon sergeant of Troop B, 3-1 Cav. “I was about to engage when he jumped in front of us and intercepted the bomber as he ran toward us. As he pushed him away, the bomb went off.”

The citizen’s actions saved the lives of four U.S. Soldiers and eight civilians.

These are the allies we need the most. Concerned Citizens

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-01-19 16:33:48

#137

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

paranoid101 wrote:
Turquoise wrote:
paranoid101 wrote:

I totally agree that this is PC bullshit we get alot of it in the UK from Middle class folk in committees who seem to think they know minority's want and need in this country.

And yes I also agree that Lowings a good guy and does post some fantastic stuff on here, but this thread is just insulting and baiting.
One thing I find interesting about Britain is that the average person would appear to be very politically correct, whereas the average person here seems to be traditional and maybe a bit prejudiced.

It gives the impression that the U.K. is sometimes too liberal for its own good while America is sometimes too conservative. I suppose Canada would fit somewhere in between us when it comes to politics.
No most normal folk in the UK hate all this PC bullshit, as I posted Its Middle Class Busybodys that cause all this trouble.

Like at Christmas time with all the uproar about Christmas not being called Christmas in certain parts of the country, now did this come from Muslims complaining and having hurt feeling? NO its come from the fecking PC brigade, nearly all Muslims in this country can't understand all this stupid PC bullshit either and themselves had said your causing devisions in this county.

But of cause there bad eggs over here in all faiths, but I will not tar and paint everybody with the same brush, its like If i said all you americans are loudmouth warmongering cunts (Which of cause isnt true) but what Lowing has done as branded all us Brits as Appeasers, so I sure you can guess why im a bit pissed off and angry, I have friends in our forces and fully support our fighting Troops and am proud to be British.

No I didn't call every individual in GB an appeaser. I said your country has taken an appeasing attitude with regard to this OP article.

When someone puts down America as being arrogant and war mongering, I certainly do not think that they are talking about every single person in America. Stop being so defensive, unless of course, you have a reason to be.

2008-01-19 16:35:52

#138

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

sergeriver wrote:
lowing wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

First off, if calling a spade a spade will bring me troubles I'll call it anything else. And again this is not appeasement.
Yes serge, if you refuse to call a spade a spade and lie and call it a fork for no other reason than because you are AFRAID you will get beat up for calling it a spade. Then yes, YOU are an appeaser.
No, because I call it a fork because I want to, and maybe by calling it a fork I'll get some benefits I would not get by calling it a spade. That's not appeasement, that's logic and being smart IMO.

no serge it is delussional and a lie. Nothing more

2008-01-19 16:41:11

#139

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6959|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
lowing wrote:
Yeah, cuz the truth and facing it, is sooo over rated.
Who's not facing the truth? How is the truth not being faced?
Not all Muslims are terrorists Cam, but most terrorists ARE muslims and they fight their fight in the name of Allah, and to force Islamic rule on the world or do I have that all wrong?

It is Islamic terrorism, Cam.

It is the same as saying the KKK 's actions are not racially motivated.

You can say and claim whatever ya want, but the truth still remains the truth.

I think you two are arguing over two different things.

Yes, in your sense of the word, it is Islamic terrorism as the prime motivation is religion. However, their actions are not in keeping with the religion, and thus in that sense, their actions are un-Islamic.

It all boils down to the fact that terrorists, maniacs that they are, have a fucked up view of Islam (and the world in general)

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-01-19 16:41:20

#140

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing wrote:
It is akin to calling me a racist because I hate gangstas and saggers. well the fact it is, neither gangstas or saggers is a race. But those of you that get upset and defensive spout off shit like Ken and read what they want into a post instead of reading what is written. Never said I think all Muslims are terrorists, unless you can quote me. Muslims that have nothing to with Islamic terrorism have n oreason to be defensive about those of us that beleive in combating it. I simply see no reason to dress up what we are fighting to make it something it is not.
What I read is that you called Great Britain appeasers (and Euroweenies) because according to a tabloid mag a few politicians decide to use a new term for terrorists.

Then you imply that the "War on Terror" isn't actually a War on Terror, but a war on Islamic terrorists - by saying that GB is not calling it what it is.

Either way, you make your charactaristically ignorant generalizations - which is why I call you ignorant.

If the article is not true and just tabloid smut then there is no such effort to change the phrasing? I think it has been shown that it is indeed being done, regardless of the source showing it.

If you bo not wnat ot be labeled as appeasers along with the rest of Europe, then stick to your guns and call the war on terror what it is. A war on terror. and call those Islamic terrorists that we are fighting exactly what they are, Islamic terrorists... Who are trying t okid anyway? and why?

I think the Muslim community should be the first in line to call these assholes what they are,radical Islamic terrorists. Does the truth hurt that bad? Really?

2008-01-19 16:44:59

#141

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

Kmarion wrote:
lowing wrote:
Kmarion wrote:

Never said that they were. I don't agree with CAIR on issues. I'm speaking more to the moderates who are not driven by a political agenda. Believe it or not there are Muslims who don't enjoy car bombs exploding in their marketplaces.
If not CAIR, then who exactly is the voice of the "moderate muslim" in America?? They seem to think they have the pulse of their people and I do not see any Muslims in America battling them on any issues.
You are suggesting things that I have not said. I am talking about creating allies in the Middle East.
Like these guys:
Three Iraqi Army soldiers tackled a suicide bomber at an Army Day parade and were killed when he exploded his vest.

Malik Abdul Ghanem
Asa’ad Hussein Ali
Abdul-Hamza Abdul-Hassan Rissan

They were friends the Americans and Iraqis did not know we had until they were gone.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/the … of-god.htm

http://northshorejournal.org/index.php/ … art-bomber

FORWARD OPERATING BASE HAMMER, Iraq – An Iraqi man saved the lives of four U.S. Soldiers and eight civilians when he intercepted a suicide bomber during a Concerned Citizens meeting in the town of al-Arafia Aug. 18.

The incident occurred while Soldiers from 3rd Squadron, 1st Cavalry Regiment, were talking with members of the al-Arafia Concerned Citizens, a volunteer community group, at a member’s house.

“I was about 12 feet away when the bomber came around the corner,” said Staff Sgt. Sean Kane, of Los Altos, Calif., acting platoon sergeant of Troop B, 3-1 Cav. “I was about to engage when he jumped in front of us and intercepted the bomber as he ran toward us. As he pushed him away, the bomb went off.”

The citizen’s actions saved the lives of four U.S. Soldiers and eight civilians.
These are the allies we need the most. Concerned Citizens

I remember that, I was in country at the time. I also remember feeling hope and pride for the cause.

I agree with this post 100%

2008-01-19 16:47:34

#142

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,981|6916|949

lowing wrote:
I think the Muslim community should be the first in line to call these assholes what they are,radical Islamic terrorists. Does the truth hurt that bad? Really?

Do you have your finger on the pulse of the International Muslim community lowing? That is, how do you know they don't? Is calling Timothy McVeigh or Charles Whitman a "domestic terrorist" instead of "U.S. Armed Forces Veteran terrorist" appeasement?

The politicians are simply using a euphamism while at the same time aknowledging to the British (and international) community that committing acts of terror in the name of Islam is decidedly anti-Islamic.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-19 16:48:08)

2008-01-19 16:47:45

#143

velocitychaos: Member; +26|6781|Brisbane Australia

CameronPoe wrote:
lowing wrote:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=508901&in_page_id=1766&ito=1490

Unfortunately it appear GB can not long face calling Islamic Terror what it is.....ISLAMIC TERROR.

how can you fight this war on terror if you can not even muster the courage to call it what it is.

You Euro-weenies are too much.
It's actually pretty smart. To subliminally put it out into the national psyche and into the impressionable minds of young British muslims that what the terrorists are doing is anti-Islamic is a good thing. It's kind of like brainwashing them into not engaging in it.

"Here Here." The British also have an inate fear of offending others, probably why they chose this avenue of counter attack.

2008-01-19 16:48:51

#144

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6959|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing wrote:
It is akin to calling me a racist because I hate gangstas and saggers. well the fact it is, neither gangstas or saggers is a race. But those of you that get upset and defensive spout off shit like Ken and read what they want into a post instead of reading what is written. Never said I think all Muslims are terrorists, unless you can quote me. Muslims that have nothing to with Islamic terrorism have n oreason to be defensive about those of us that beleive in combating it. I simply see no reason to dress up what we are fighting to make it something it is not.
What I read is that you called Great Britain appeasers (and Euroweenies) because according to a tabloid mag a few politicians decide to use a new term for terrorists.

Then you imply that the "War on Terror" isn't actually a War on Terror, but a war on Islamic terrorists - by saying that GB is not calling it what it is.

Either way, you make your charactaristically ignorant generalizations - which is why I call you ignorant.
If the article is not true and just tabloid smut then there is no such effort to change the phrasing? I think it has been shown that it is indeed being done, regardless of the source showing it.

If you bo not wnat ot be labeled as appeasers along with the rest of Europe, then stick to your guns and call the war on terror what it is. A war on terror. and call those Islamic terrorists that we are fighting exactly what they are, Islamic terrorists... Who are trying t okid anyway? and why?

I think the Muslim community should be the first in line to call these assholes what they are,radical Islamic terrorists. Does the truth hurt that bad? Really?

I've heard that plenty of times from the local Muslim community. But, of course, there's no interesting news story out of a group saying EXACTLY what they're expected to say. And if you can't find any possibly inflammatory comments, well take some benign ones and twist them till they look like they came from bin Laden himself!

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-01-19 16:49:02

#145

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:

Who's not facing the truth? How is the truth not being faced?
Not all Muslims are terrorists Cam, but most terrorists ARE muslims and they fight their fight in the name of Allah, and to force Islamic rule on the world or do I have that all wrong?

It is Islamic terrorism, Cam.

It is the same as saying the KKK 's actions are not racially motivated.

You can say and claim whatever ya want, but the truth still remains the truth.
I think you two are arguing over two different things.

Yes, in your sense of the word, it is Islamic terrorism as the prime motivation is religion. However, their actions are not in keeping with the religion, and thus in that sense, their actions are un-Islamic.

It all boils down to the fact that terrorists, maniacs that they are, have a fucked up view of Islam (and the world in general)

I think the problem is no one wants to call this war what it is. Pull no punches we are at war against radical Islam. Period. Dressing it up t osound pretty and soothing does not change that fact. It is only an attempt to keep more Muslims from getting mad at us and doing something crazy. Like they did over the cartoons, but I notice we are not going to talk about the moderate muslims involved in that are we?

2008-01-19 16:51:17

#146

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,981|6916|949

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:

Not all Muslims are terrorists Cam, but most terrorists ARE muslims and they fight their fight in the name of Allah, and to force Islamic rule on the world or do I have that all wrong?

It is Islamic terrorism, Cam.

It is the same as saying the KKK 's actions are not racially motivated.

You can say and claim whatever ya want, but the truth still remains the truth.
I think you two are arguing over two different things.

Yes, in your sense of the word, it is Islamic terrorism as the prime motivation is religion. However, their actions are not in keeping with the religion, and thus in that sense, their actions are un-Islamic.

It all boils down to the fact that terrorists, maniacs that they are, have a fucked up view of Islam (and the world in general)
I think the problem is no one wants to call this war what it is. Pull no punches we are at war against radical Islam. Period. Dressing it up t osound pretty and soothing does not change that fact. It is only an attempt to keep more Muslims from getting mad at us and doing something crazy. Like they did over the cartoons, but I notice we are not going to talk about the moderate muslims involved in that are we?

I thought it was about calling it exactly what it is - "The War on Terror". Not, "The War on Radical Islam". Which one is it lowing?

2008-01-19 16:53:13

#147

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6959|Canberra, AUS

lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:
lowing wrote:

Not all Muslims are terrorists Cam, but most terrorists ARE muslims and they fight their fight in the name of Allah, and to force Islamic rule on the world or do I have that all wrong?

It is Islamic terrorism, Cam.

It is the same as saying the KKK 's actions are not racially motivated.

You can say and claim whatever ya want, but the truth still remains the truth.
I think you two are arguing over two different things.

Yes, in your sense of the word, it is Islamic terrorism as the prime motivation is religion. However, their actions are not in keeping with the religion, and thus in that sense, their actions are un-Islamic.

It all boils down to the fact that terrorists, maniacs that they are, have a fucked up view of Islam (and the world in general)
I think the problem is no one wants to call this war what it is. Pull no punches we are at war against radical Islam. Period. Dressing it up t osound pretty and soothing does not change that fact. It is only an attempt to keep more Muslims from getting mad at us and doing something crazy. Like they did over the cartoons, but I notice we are not going to talk about the moderate muslims involved in that are we?

The only problem with calling it a war is this is hardly a war. If this were a war, it would be the most one-sided war in history. And I think you would be the first to say that the other side has been hardly been fighting in a way that follows the conventions that are attached to war.

As I said, make them irrelevant and they'll lose potency.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2008-01-19 16:54:28

#148

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing wrote:
I think the Muslim community should be the first in line to call these assholes what they are,radical Islamic terrorists. Does the truth hurt that bad? Really?
Do you have your finger on the pulse of the International Muslim community lowing? That is, how do you know they don't? Is calling Timothy McVeigh or Charles Whitman a "domestic terrorist" instead of "U.S. Armed Forces Veteran terrorist" appeasement?

The politicians are simply using a euphamism while at the same time aknowledging to the British (and international) community that committing acts of terror in the name of Islam is decidedly anti-Islamic.

McVieghs service had nothing to do with his actions. Radical Islam, by their own words has everything to do with their actions.

Because I am defened by the silence of the muslim community.

hm, I think acts of terrorism AGSINST western society seems more anit-west, then anti-Islam....but hey, who knows.

2008-01-19 16:56:35

#149

lowing: Banned; +1,662|6936|USA

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing wrote:
Spark wrote:

I think you two are arguing over two different things.

Yes, in your sense of the word, it is Islamic terrorism as the prime motivation is religion. However, their actions are not in keeping with the religion, and thus in that sense, their actions are un-Islamic.

It all boils down to the fact that terrorists, maniacs that they are, have a fucked up view of Islam (and the world in general)
I think the problem is no one wants to call this war what it is. Pull no punches we are at war against radical Islam. Period. Dressing it up t osound pretty and soothing does not change that fact. It is only an attempt to keep more Muslims from getting mad at us and doing something crazy. Like they did over the cartoons, but I notice we are not going to talk about the moderate muslims involved in that are we?
I thought it was about calling it exactly what it is - "The War on Terror". Not, "The War on Radical Islam". Which one is it lowing?

The war on terror as it is, is being fought for the most part against radical Islam. Not sure where the confusion is there.

2008-01-19 16:57:20

#150

FatherTed: xD; +3,936|6784|so randum

lowing wrote:
KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
lowing wrote:

I think the problem is no one wants to call this war what it is. Pull no punches we are at war against radical Islam. Period. Dressing it up t osound pretty and soothing does not change that fact. It is only an attempt to keep more Muslims from getting mad at us and doing something crazy. Like they did over the cartoons, but I notice we are not going to talk about the moderate muslims involved in that are we?
I thought it was about calling it exactly what it is - "The War on Terror". Not, "The War on Radical Islam". Which one is it lowing?
The war on terror as it is, is being fought for the most part against radical Islam. Not sure where the confusion is there.

lowing, get your head out of your arse, and drop the thread.

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