lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA
http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews … 6320080117


inch by inch...........

Cam what was that you were telling me about maintaining your continents individual identities in that other thread??

This along with all of your appeasement and PC.................yeah good luck with that.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

jord wrote:

lowing wrote:

Varegg wrote:


And that has what to do with the matter ?
Nothing, just an observation that your attitude is consistent with that of your continents appeasement cowering attitude toward the WAR ON TERROR that is being carried out by those that practice Islam, or as we like to call them, ISLAMIC TERRORISTS.
Seriously Lowing, the rest of NATO and many other countries are fighting terrorism as well as America. It's hardly cowering...
Well, I know we can count on you to give it your all in this "anti-Islamic activity" fight.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6689|North Carolina
I don't have a problem with Muslims becoming more religious.  I also don't have a problem with them becoming more significant as an immigrant group in America or Europe.  The only cause for concern here should be one regarding conservative policies.  The thing that both America and Europe must continually fight is any attempt by Muslims to restrict the behaviors of all of society (like banning alcohol or pork, for example).  I'm not saying that conservative Muslims will necessarily try this, but there is a tendency for religiously conservative people to try to control the personal lives of others.  We've already seen this agenda among certain conservative Christians.  The last thing we need is a second religious group to push the same agenda.

So basically, if people want to become more religious (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise), that's fine as long as they respect the freedoms of others.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope but I bet I can find quotes that represent the true teaching of Muhammad couldn't I? If anything the radicals are practicing their religion as it is written, it is the moderates who are not practicing real Islam.
Short lesson on Islam for lowing:

In brief, war is permitted:

    * in self defence
    * when other nations have attacked an Islamic state
    * if another state is oppressing its own Muslims

War should be conducted:

    * in a disciplined way
    * so as to avoid injuring non-combatants
    * with the minimum necessary force
    * without anger
    * with humane treatment towards prisoners of war

Islam bans the killing of non-combatants (Qur'an 2:190, above), or of a combatant who has been captured.

Abu Bakr (the First Caliph) gave these rules to an army he was sending to battle:

Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path.

You must not mutilate dead bodies.

Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man.

Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.

Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food.

You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone
Cam, do I really really, need to waste time and google the quotes out of the Koran that we both know are there??
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6969|United States of America
You can do the same thing with the Bible. Even the Catholics (who according to Jim Gaffigan don't have to read it) like myself who have read it know that.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

Turquoise wrote:

I don't have a problem with Muslims becoming more religious.  I also don't have a problem with them becoming more significant as an immigrant group in America or Europe.  The only cause for concern here should be one regarding conservative policies.  The thing that both America and Europe must continually fight is any attempt by Muslims to restrict the behaviors of all of society (like banning alcohol or pork, for example).  I'm not saying that conservative Muslims will necessarily try this, but there is a tendency for religiously conservative people to try to control the personal lives of others.  We've already seen this agenda among certain conservative Christians.  The last thing we need is a second religious group to push the same agenda.

So basically, if people want to become more religious (Christian, Muslim, or otherwise), that's fine as long as they respect the freedoms of others.
Islam goes against everything western society strives to achive. Islam believes that world wide peace is attainable and desirable, and can be accomplished as soon as the world converts to it.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

DesertFox- wrote:

You can do the same thing with the Bible. Even the Catholics (who according to Jim Gaffigan don't have to read it) like myself who have read it know that.
.............and I will just as soon as the Christians start flying airplanes into buildings, commit homocide bombings on innocent people, and used women and children as bombs and human shields.
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

Nope but I bet I can find quotes that represent the true teaching of Muhammad couldn't I? If anything the radicals are practicing their religion as it is written, it is the moderates who are not practicing real Islam.
Short lesson on Islam for lowing:

In brief, war is permitted:

    * in self defence
    * when other nations have attacked an Islamic state
    * if another state is oppressing its own Muslims

War should be conducted:

    * in a disciplined way
    * so as to avoid injuring non-combatants
    * with the minimum necessary force
    * without anger
    * with humane treatment towards prisoners of war

Islam bans the killing of non-combatants (Qur'an 2:190, above), or of a combatant who has been captured.

Abu Bakr (the First Caliph) gave these rules to an army he was sending to battle:

Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path.

You must not mutilate dead bodies.

Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man.

Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful.

Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food.

You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone
Cam, do I really really, need to waste time and google the quotes out of the Koran that we both know are there??
Oh what the hell, it only took a second............ http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/koran.html
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/s … 28,00.html

well apparently there are some Europeans that recognize what is happening in Europe and are trying to do something about it.

A tip of the hat to the  "Cities against Islamisation".
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6283|...
this isn't stupid, it's a smart move, they avoid muslim riots and actually make them side towards the terrorism threat, not against an islamic threat.

Brains > Balls.
inane little opines
lowing
Banned
+1,662|6935|USA

dayarath wrote:

this isn't stupid, it's a smart move, they avoid muslim riots and actually make them side towards the terrorism threat, not against an islamic threat.

Brains > Balls.
lol, we could also avoid conflict if we all just converted to Islam. You are actually advocating appeasement for fear of upsetting the Muslims.  Shame on you.
Shocking
sorry you feel that way
+333|6283|...

lowing wrote:

dayarath wrote:

this isn't stupid, it's a smart move, they avoid muslim riots and actually make them side towards the terrorism threat, not against an islamic threat.

Brains > Balls.
lol, we could also avoid conflict if we all just converted to Islam. You are actually advocating appeasement for fear of upsetting the Muslims.  Shame on you.
Yes, because the last thing you want is trouble in your own country. You make them happy, then you use them for your cause, simple as that. Getting everyone in line is a good move.

you rather prefer riots and a little chaos in your own country huh?
inane little opines
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

David.P wrote:

First stop on my world homicidal spree Jolly old England!
Bring it, i'm waiting.

@ lowing

Also, it's a bit rich of you to say to an Irishman that most terrorists are muslims.

Sometimes, you're so full of shit.


Lose the anti Muslim/EU attitude, and people might actually listen to the shit that you call a post.

Last edited by FatherTed (2008-01-19 11:32:28)

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David.P
Banned
+649|6558

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:

First stop on my world homicidal spree Jolly old England!
Bring it, i'm waiting.

@ lowing

Also, it's a bit rich of you to say to an Irishman that most terrorists are muslims.

Sometimes, you're so full of shit.


Lose the anti Muslim/EU attitude, and people might actually listen to the shit that you call a post.
I have no reason to kill you.



Islam = Terrorism. Prove me wrong.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:

First stop on my world homicidal spree Jolly old England!
Bring it, i'm waiting.

@ lowing

Also, it's a bit rich of you to say to an Irishman that most terrorists are muslims.

Sometimes, you're so full of shit.


Lose the anti Muslim/EU attitude, and people might actually listen to the shit that you call a post.
I have no reason to kill you.



Islam = Terrorism. Prove me wrong.
So 100% of terrorists in this world are Islamic?

Thats so bullshit, and you know it.
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SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6414|North Tonawanda, NY

David.P wrote:

Islam = Terrorism. Prove me wrong.
There about 1.61 billion Muslims.  I think we can all agree that ~1/4 of the planet is not made of terrorists.

Now, prove to me that Islam = Terrorism.  I don't think you can.

Last edited by SenorToenails (2008-01-19 11:51:48)

Vilham
Say wat!?
+580|7050|UK
lowing your incredibly naive and your tactics for stopping terrorism seem pretty crap if you think this isnt a good way.
David.P
Banned
+649|6558

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


Bring it, i'm waiting.

@ lowing

Also, it's a bit rich of you to say to an Irishman that most terrorists are muslims.

Sometimes, you're so full of shit.


Lose the anti Muslim/EU attitude, and people might actually listen to the shit that you call a post.
I have no reason to kill you.



Islam = Terrorism. Prove me wrong.
So 100% of terrorists in this world are Islamic?

Thats so bullshit, and you know it.
No about 80%

Just like the religion you defend.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina
I'm sure that if you call it Islamic Terrorism instead of anti-Islamic activity it will curb Lowing.  Gimmie a break.  This is PC not appeasement.  But you love those two words, don't you?  Btw, do you receive a daily email with news about Muslims, Dems, Aliens and social security?
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:


I have no reason to kill you.



Islam = Terrorism. Prove me wrong.
So 100% of terrorists in this world are Islamic?

Thats so bullshit, and you know it.
No about 80%

Just like the religion you defend.
I'm defending nothing but common sense. And how exactly did you come up with this 80% figure?

Do you have a magical database with every terrorist in the world entered, with name, local, religion and ethnicity?

I like you, as a poster, but anything, literally anything even slightly ascociated with Islam, and you become a fucking idiot.
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David.P
Banned
+649|6558

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:


So 100% of terrorists in this world are Islamic?

Thats so bullshit, and you know it.
No about 80%

Just like the religion you defend.
I'm defending nothing but common sense. And how exactly did you come up with this 80% figure?

Do you have a magical database with every terrorist in the world entered, with name, local, religion and ethnicity?

I like you, as a poster, but anything, literally anything even slightly ascociated with Islam, and you become a fucking idiot.
By terrorist attack.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:


No about 80%

Just like the religion you defend.
I'm defending nothing but common sense. And how exactly did you come up with this 80% figure?

Do you have a magical database with every terrorist in the world entered, with name, local, religion and ethnicity?

I like you, as a poster, but anything, literally anything even slightly ascociated with Islam, and you become a fucking idiot.
By terrorist attack.
Oklahoma, Ira, Eta, Irgun, etc...?
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6414|North Tonawanda, NY

sergeriver wrote:

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

I'm defending nothing but common sense. And how exactly did you come up with this 80% figure?

Do you have a magical database with every terrorist in the world entered, with name, local, religion and ethnicity?

I like you, as a poster, but anything, literally anything even slightly ascociated with Islam, and you become a fucking idiot.
By terrorist attack.
Oklahoma, Ira, Eta, Irgun, etc...?
I don't think David has any idea what he is talking about.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6784|so randum

David.P wrote:

FatherTed wrote:

David.P wrote:

No about 80%

Just like the religion you defend.
I'm defending nothing but common sense. And how exactly did you come up with this 80% figure?

Do you have a magical database with every terrorist in the world entered, with name, local, religion and ethnicity?

I like you, as a poster, but anything, literally anything even slightly ascociated with Islam, and you become a fucking idiot.
By terrorist attack.
"According to statistics gathered for 2005 by the National Counterterrorism Center of the United States...Islamic terrorism was responsible for approximately 25% of all terrorism fatalities worldwide, though responsibility could not be conclusively determined for 56% of all terrorism fatalities."

Your own country says this.

Enough?

Last edited by FatherTed (2008-01-19 12:31:20)

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adam1503
Member
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lowing wrote:

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23070687-5001028,00.html

well apparently there are some Europeans that recognize what is happening in Europe and are trying to do something about it.

A tip of the hat to the  "Cities against Islamisation".
The fact that that story even mentions the BNP should tell you its not worth reading.  Movements like that only widen the rift between us and the militant extremists.  That kind of intolerant stance against Islam is what feeds the terrorist ideology.  We need to show the Islamic world that we are not the aggressive invading powers that these terrotists claim we are.  Unfortunately, our current actions dont do much to help us in this.

Here's something else for you all: Appeasement means "giving in to the demands of a foreign aggressor in order to avoid war".  Did Al Qaeda or the Taleban ask to be callled "anti-Islamic"?  No, they didnt, so ayone calling this appeasement is wrong.  It is partly PC, but I think it is just one part of what should be a wider plan to isolate the extremists from mainstream Islamic thought.... but at the moment were not doing enough.

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