BF2S Forums Former Congressman Gave to the Taliban

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Spark wrote:

I think it counts as treason in this case.

Read the article.  He didn't give any aid.  He was hired as a consultant to lobby the U.S. government.  He is tied to the organization and lawsuit only in that he helped launder money then lied about it in legal depositions.

Money laundering and perjury does not equal treason.

Ken why are you defending him?

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-16 19:39:24)

Stingray24 wrote:

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/01/16/former.congressman.indicted/?iref=mpstoryview

Five years earlier, the U.S. Agency for International Development canceled an agreement with the charity to fund humanitarian aid projects in Africa, after the IARA failed to raise required matching funds, the indictment states.  The group then unlawfully kept about $84,000 in USAID funds and used the money to pay Siljander to lobby on its behalf, said John Wood, the U.S. attorney in Kansas City.  The money was funneled through other nonprofit agencies to hide its origin, according to Wood. "This was not a permissible use of USAID funds," he said.

Siljander is accused of lying to federal agents and prosecutors about his work for the group, which allegedly steered $260,000 to Gulbuddin Hekmatyar -- an ally of the Taliban and al Qaeda.
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1.  Received funds he knew were stolen and laundered them as payment for lobbying.

2.  They're a charity, so they're collecting funds and sending it somewhere. 

3.  If they've laundered once, they've laundered twice.

4.  They need to get off the list of organizations classified as a terrorist supporters. 

5.  Therefore, they have dubious ties.   

Any thinking person would have connected all those and thought "Hmmm, so what's going to stop them from breaking another law and supporting terrorism?".

So at best this guy is a complete moron.  At worst he aided an organization funneling money to terrorism.

usmarine2005 wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I am pointing out that the thread title is not just misleading, but wrong.

Another title cop.

Look Ken, the title is extrapolated from the first sentences of the article.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-16 20:12:12)

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

How am I defending him?  If you read my posts and can comprehend them, I would hope you could come to that conclusion yourself.

You're caressing him with kind words of praise for being a backstabber(Is that the expression?) Infact you're trying to justify his actions by saying he didn't know. When we all know the IARA is a terrorist supporting organization, Which covers its self through acts of charity. Come on! They're worse then cair sometimes!

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

David.P wrote:

You're caressing him with kind words of praise for being a backstabber(Is that the expression?) Infact you're trying to justify his actions by saying he didn't know. When we all know the IARA is a terrorist supporting organization, Which covers its self through acts of charity. Come on! They're worse then cair sometimes!

You are delusional Davey.  Don't worry, I still like you.

No more then you and your belief's in this mans innocence.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2008-01-16 21:20:27)

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Innocent until proven guilty still rings true for me, but apparently not for many people here.

Not when this kind of shit is involved.

David.P wrote:

Why do you say such sarcastic things about serious subjects which could potentially hurt the soldiers fighting overseas right now? I know america aint innocent and all but do you have to justify the enemies actions all the time? "As America did it so we can do it too" No man you dont.

Dude you were born and live in this country like me, We could be drafted at any time and sent to a hell hole. You think i want that? Do you want that? So man please dont be such a sarcastic bastard about these kinds of things. These guys are doing the jobs we dont wanna do, I expect you to have some respect towards them. You can say you disagree with the Iraq war and Bush and other shit, I really dont care since we both have free speech rights and we can express them.  But there is a point to where free speech becomes hate speech and loses all merit.

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

David.P wrote:

Not when this kind of shit is involved.

Money laundering and lying in a legal deposition?  Yes, truly tragic.

IARA funnelling money to Taliban and/or Al-Qaeda sympathizers?  Horrible, especially if it is used against our troops.

The U.S. has a history of funnelling money and arms to people who use them against us too.  That is horrible beyond belief for me.  I would hope people here would have the same type of mindset.

Why do you say such sarcastic things about serious subjects which could potentially hurt the soldiers fighting overseas right now? I know america aint innocent and all but do you have to justify the enemies actions all the time? "As America did it so we can do it too" No man you dont.

Dude you were born and live in this country like me, We could be drafted at any time and sent to a hell hole. You think i want that? Do you want that? So man please dont be such a sarcastic bastard about these kinds of things. These guys are doing the jobs we dont wanna do, I expect you to have some respect towards them. You can say you disagree with the Iraq war and Bush and other shit, I really dont care since we both have free speech rights and we can express them.  But there is a point to where free speech becomes hate speech and loses all merit.

EDIT: Come on man i'm not trying to flame. Just make a point. Right now this is the country you live in, And there are people protecting you from being drafted by serving. I bet marine, lowing, gs, Major league infidel, And anyone else who's been to war can attest to this.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

David.P wrote:

Forget it man. I'm trying make a point and you just write it off as rambles of an angry man. Maybe one day you'll realize what i was trying to say.

EDIT: I dare anyone to prove me wrong.

Your point is what?  That soldiers are for the most part brave men?  Who is going to disagree with that?  How that pertains to the thread or what we were talking about is what I want to know.  That's where the rambling comes in Davey.  Try to stick to one thing at a time.

Last edited by David.P (2008-01-17 00:12:30)

lowing wrote:

David.P wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Money laundering and lying in a legal deposition?  Yes, truly tragic.

IARA funnelling money to Taliban and/or Al-Qaeda sympathizers?  Horrible, especially if it is used against our troops.

The U.S. has a history of funnelling money and arms to people who use them against us too.  That is horrible beyond belief for me.  I would hope people here would have the same type of mindset.

Why do you say such sarcastic things about serious subjects which could potentially hurt the soldiers fighting overseas right now? I know america aint innocent and all but do you have to justify the enemies actions all the time? "As America did it so we can do it too" No man you dont.

Dude you were born and live in this country like me, We could be drafted at any time and sent to a hell hole. You think i want that? Do you want that? So man please dont be such a sarcastic bastard about these kinds of things. These guys are doing the jobs we dont wanna do, I expect you to have some respect towards them. You can say you disagree with the Iraq war and Bush and other shit, I really dont care since we both have free speech rights and we can express them.  But there is a point to where free speech becomes hate speech and loses all merit.

EDIT: Come on man i'm not trying to flame. Just make a point. Right now this is the country you live in, And there are people protecting you from being drafted by serving. I bet marine, lowing, gs, Major league infidel, And anyone else who's been to war can attest to this.

I agree, but I have to point out that although I support the war on terror as does my business in Iraq, I can not allow myself to be put in the same category with marine and GS and Major League Infidel. To do so would be a slap in the their faces and all servicemen who are actually fighting this war. I am proud of these guys and eternally grateful for their sacrifices. I can not take any undue recognition for their efforts and their service.