It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence... kinda like this thread.usmarine2005 wrote:
Reminds me of the oil for food and the corrupt fucker coffee airhead or whatever his name was.Kmarion wrote:
Sudan has fought international help all along. It makes you wonder how deep the corruption is.
I think we all know the only real solution. But nobody has the balls to do it.
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.Kmarion wrote:
It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence.
Maybe that's the solution.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.Kmarion wrote:
It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence.
didnt catch it.sergeriver wrote:
I said it in the other thread I don't behave so...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
you are a grown up serge, you shouldnt get into tantrumssergeriver wrote:
Did you read anything of what I wrote? I don't give a fuck if you disagree with me. If I say you are wrong it doesn't mean I want you to agree with me. I get into a tantrym whenever someone calls me names because of what I post.
so lets get back on the topic at hand. I would rather go into the motivation behind this protest, particularly the OP'sKmarion wrote:
Unfortunately they are both putting me in a situation.
so then you would support an invasion?sergeriver wrote:
Maybe that's the solution.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.Kmarion wrote:
It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence.
Wipe who out. We all know you can't just go in somewhere and wipe out terrorists or guerrillas.sergeriver wrote:
Maybe that's the solution.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.Kmarion wrote:
It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence.
It is difficult for me to accept more dead US soldiers for a temporary and unappreciated peace.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.Kmarion wrote:
It's a no win to be honest. Unless there is a permanent presence.
Actually over there it is pretty simple to tell. When I was over there, there was no doubt who was who. But, Bubba would not let us do anything except deliver food and medicine. Which we all knew would not go to those who needed it.Mek-Izzle wrote:
Wipe who out. We all know you can't just go in somewhere and wipe out terrorists or guerrillas.
Nothing, I didn't give any money because it would be lost in the way, I'm just voicing my concern. Not to feel good about myself and clean my conscience, but to spread the message. If someone with the power listens...who knows?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Serge, what have you done for the crisis in Darfur outside of making threads on video game forums? I am honestly expecting you to have done something.
Maybe the rest of europe could pull their heads out of their asses and help the africans for once? Maybe send a few troops? I know of a few former soviet bloc eastern european nato nations would love to prove their might against a former enemy by fighting a few easy to win wars if it will get them respect and diplomatic ties with the new government they will install.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yes, the situation in Darfur is bad, people are getting killed around the world at an alarming rate, and we sit here and talk about it in between meals and videogames.
What should we do? Protest to our elected officials? Send money to a humanitarian aid organization? Go there ourselves and try to talk them out of it?
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I don't know really, I'm not expert on military issues. You guys are, what I know is something must be done.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
so then you would support an invasion?sergeriver wrote:
Maybe that's the solution.usmarine2005 wrote:
Well that would cause a whole other mess. At least go in, wipe these fuckers out, and give these people a fresh start. If peace only lasts for 5 years, at least they had that.
well at least celebs got some face time because of it...GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
this is what Im talking about. If more people actually cared enough to do something other than talk, maybe something would have been done. but this shit has been going on for years. and the loudest protest hasnt stopped it.
Alright Serge, this cannot go unaddressed; you called him an asshole, and there isn't one half of a half a reason why you should have.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?sergeriver wrote:
The least we can do is not to remain silent.Kmarion wrote:
Help how exactly? I want specifics.
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.
Oh geez man, pick your battles wisely. Mind your tone, HOF'r.sergeriver wrote:
I'd prefer that. You just called me a melodramatic hypocrite and I ain't that.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
mad? i didnt call you an asshole.sergeriver wrote:
Melodramatics? Now you are being an asshole, man. I'm very concerned about Darfur, Somalia, Palestine, Haiti, etc, and not because I feel good about myself for saying this. When I criticize Israel it's why don't you talk about Africa. Give me a break.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
save the melodramatics. there is protest everywhere in the world. we've checked that box already. next?
things like "save darfur" bother. Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.
You are using sincerity as an excuse for melodramatics here.sergeriver wrote:
What's the point of making such a blatant comment when I posted a sincere thread about what I feel about this conflict?GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Hey buddy, youre the one who associated yourself with the second one, not me.sergeriver wrote:
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
reread my post and point out exactly where I called you a hypocrite, please. but yes, you are quite melodramatic.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Are people so vocal about this issue because they really want it to end, or are they just concerned with how good it feels for themselves to voice their opinion.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
People who really are concerned dont let this shit draw out the way it. its week, its a cop out and I doubt most people who say they care actually do.
Oh please.sergeriver wrote:
I don't know what the fuck they want from me. I can't post anything without being bashed.Kmarion wrote:
There are a few people who have recently made this section extremely unpleasant. I'm not going to warn anymore. They will not continue to ruin it for everyone else.
Then why bother typing?sergeriver wrote:
Did you read anything of what I wrote? I don't give a fuck if you disagree with me. If I say you are wrong it doesn't mean I want you to agree with me. I get into a tantrym whenever someone calls me names because of what I post.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Id rather emphasize the fact that my point was proven. You see, I said,sergeriver wrote:
Quote the whole thing. If you don't have anything smart to say then don't say anything at all.I wanted to show how you started your post with "You are wrong" and how you ended it with "fuck this thread". Proving my point on how you get into a tantrum whenever someone disagrees with you.GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
Debate means more than just Serge's opinion and the wrong opinion.
Yes , I know that. That is the problem. There's no a simple solution here. I find this to be a terrible waste of lives (I'm not being melodramatic, lol) and the people with the power to do something at least overlooked this conflict. The 26k UN peacekeepers won't make the difference.Kmarion wrote:
Serge it would almost require a forced presence. The government of Sudan has resisted any foreign help. I believe they are a good portion of the problem.
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Is this what we do? Nopesergeriver wrote:
Is this what we do? Are we that bad? These kids deserve to have a childhood. What are we doing for them? Let's give them the chance. Let's not forget this, our silence is the biggest crime.
For a lasting peace to occur the local populace must respect it. They only way they will respect it is if they earn it themselves. For civilization to evolve they must struggle and fight their own battles. This is not to say we can't support them other ways. But the ground work has to be done by those who desire change the most.CameronPoe wrote:
Sorry Serge but I say 'fuck military intervention in non-western affairs'.
That's what I've always said.Kmarion wrote:
For a lasting peace to occur the local populace must respect it. They only way they will respect it is if they earn it themselves. For civilization to evolve they must struggle and fight their own battles. This is not to say we can't support them other ways. But the ground work has to be done by those who desire change the most.CameronPoe wrote:
Sorry Serge but I say 'fuck military intervention in non-western affairs'.
I know. Just reiterating the point.CameronPoe wrote:
That's what I've always said.Kmarion wrote:
For a lasting peace to occur the local populace must respect it. They only way they will respect it is if they earn it themselves. For civilization to evolve they must struggle and fight their own battles. This is not to say we can't support them other ways. But the ground work has to be done by those who desire change the most.CameronPoe wrote:
Sorry Serge but I say 'fuck military intervention in non-western affairs'.