Sigarms357
Say Hello to My 11-87
+6|6747
Hey all,

I have searched and couldnt find my answer in this forum.


Putting names aside, what will give me better performance?  I am mostly concerned about boot times for windows and games.

I was thinking the Raid-0 will be better for loading games speed than 1 raptor since it is Data striped. 

I dont have enough money I want to invest in 2 raptors, plus every tech site says two raptors in Raid-0 for desktop is a waste of time and money, so please dont suggest that.

I dont need harddrive space, so I am going for the smallest seagate drive with a 8mb cache.

Thanks,
Brad
Maj.Do
Member
+85|6760|good old CA
well i think Raid 5 is better

PS: busy at the moment, ill come back and answer ur question soon.
.ACB|_Cutthroat1
No place like 127.0.0.1
+76|6704|Gold Coast,QLD,Australia
well then, id personally get the 150gb raptor , but hmmm, id say the raptor
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6725
raptor pwns, its really fast
https://cache.www.gametracker.com/server_info/203.46.105.23:21300/b_350_20_692108_381007_FFFFFF_000000.png
Sigarms357
Say Hello to My 11-87
+6|6747
Details on WHY the 1 raptor would be better than Raid-0 of two lesser drivers would appreciated...


I know raptor pwns, and I know SCSI pwns, but raptors are overrated IMHO, I just want the best REALISTIC performance MINUS the name being taken into account
Maj.Do
Member
+85|6760|good old CA
im not a pro in this but here is details on RAID 5(this is what i have)

RAID Level 5

Common Name(s): RAID 5.

Technique(s) Used: Block-level striping with distributed parity.

Description: One of the most popular RAID levels, RAID 5 stripes both data and parity information across three or more drives. It is similar to RAID 4 except that it exchanges the dedicated parity drive for a distributed parity algorithm, writing data and parity blocks across all the drives in the array. This removes the "bottleneck" that the dedicated parity drive represents, improving write performance slightly and allowing somewhat better parallelism in a multiple-transaction environment, though the overhead necessary in dealing with the parity continues to bog down writes. Fault tolerance is maintained by ensuring that the parity information for any given block of data is placed on a drive separate from those used to store the data itself. The performance of a RAID 5 array can be "adjusted" by trying different stripe sizes until one is found that is well-matched to the application being used.

This illustration shows how files of different sizes are distributed
between the drives on a four-disk RAID 5 array using a 16 kiB stripe
size. As with the RAID 0 illustration, the red file is 4 kiB in size; the blue
is 20 kiB; the green is 100 kiB; and the magenta is 500 kiB, with each
vertical pixel representing 1 kiB of space. Contrast this diagram to the
one for RAID 4, which is identical except that the data is only on three
drives and the parity (shown in gray) is exclusively on the fourth.drive.

Controller Requirements: Requires a moderately high-end card for hardware RAID; supported by some operating systems for software RAID, but at a substantial performance penalty.

Hard Disk Requirements: Minimum of three standard hard disks; maximum set by controller. Should be of identical size and type.

Array Capacity: (Size of Smallest Drive) * (Number of Drives - 1).

Storage Efficiency: If all drives are the same size, ( (Number of Drives - 1) / Number of Drives).

Fault Tolerance: Good. Can tolerate loss of one drive.

Availability: Good to very good. Hot sparing and automatic rebuild are usually featured on hardware RAID controllers supporting RAID 5 (software RAID 5 will require down-time).

Degradation and Rebuilding: Due to distributed parity, degradation can be substantial after a failure and during rebuilding.

Random Read Performance: Very good to excellent; generally better for larger stripe sizes. Can be better than RAID 0 since the data is distributed over one additional drive, and the parity information is not required during normal reads.

Random Write Performance: Only fair, due to parity overhead; this is improved over RAID 3 and RAID 4 due to eliminating the dedicated parity drive, but the overhead is still substantial.

Sequential Read Performance: Good to very good; generally better for smaller stripe sizes.

Sequential Write Performance: Fair to good.

Cost: Moderate, but often less than that of RAID 3 or RAID 4 due to its greater popularity, and especially if software RAID is used.

Special Considerations: Due to the amount of parity calculating required, software RAID 5 can seriously slow down a system. Performance will depend to some extent upon the stripe size chosen.

Recommended Uses: RAID 5 is seen by many as the ideal combination of good performance, good fault tolerance and high capacity and storage efficiency. It is best suited for transaction processing and is often used for "general purpose" service, as well as for relational database applications, enterprise resource planning and other business systems. For write-intensive applications, RAID 1 or RAID 1+0 are probably better choices (albeit higher in terms of hardware cost), as the performance of RAID 5 will begin to substantially decrease in a write-heavy environment.






Now why would 1 raptor be better then 2 raided 0 HD's?
i seacrhed it and here MIGHT be some helpful online posts

http://www.tweaknews.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1287


http://www.ocforums.com/showthread.php?t=364284
-_{MoW}_-Assasin
Member
+13|6737|Australia
lol he doesnt wanna invest in 3 or more drives, he wants 2 raptors to RAID 0
Viper007Bond
Moderator Emeritus
+236|6814|Portland, OR, USA

Actually, from what I've read, RAID'ed Raptors are only minimally faster than a single Raptor, i.e. not worth it.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/044900892044e7fc95e599e832a086ae9bcd7efb.png
KineticDeath
Member
+2|6680
For all who dont know about http://tomshardware.com - here are the answers you are looking for http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/02/06/ … page8.html .

Last edited by KineticDeath (2006-02-12 11:53:11)

GameSkillPhil
Member
+0|6689
For loading games a single raptor is faster than 2 WD80 in raid. RAID does absolutley nothing for game load times.  It matters more how fast your RAM is.
Zeibach
110% NOOBTUBE
+11|6732|Germany
Here's my tip:
I'm running two 36GB Raptor in PATA (also Raid 0+1).
And i must say it's great and fast, faster than a 120GB Samsung SATA II drive.
On the other hand the Samsung is more quiet.

Or decide to buy the new Raptor with 150GB and SATA II.
TC><Injecter
Member
+4|6837|Berlin, Germany
RAID 5 is sloooooooow... Raptor is good.... I have it and its FAAAAAAAST  (SATA)

PS: Is the new Raptor 150 10.000 upm too?! Yes it is... Thatz a nice drive.... I wanna have one tooo... Can I change my 2 47th to 1 150 ?

Last edited by TC><Injecter (2006-02-12 12:12:58)

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