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2008-01-09 18:31:55
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6828|Long Island, New York
My Bio teacher brought up an interesting point to me today. He mentioned that while he's a very religious man, he has basically instated evolution into his beliefs. Whether it happened naturally or God made it happen, he doesn't know and said he obviously never will. I had thought this for a while, but it seems more and more people are beginning to think this way.

So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
2008-01-09 18:33:17
ig
This topic seems to have no actual posts
+1,199|6813
probably not. the majority of religious people are too stubborn to open their minds.

Last edited by ig (2008-01-09 18:34:36)

2008-01-09 18:35:23
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6860|Portland, OR, USA

Poseidon wrote:

My Bio teacher brought up an interesting point to me today. He mentioned that while he's a very religious man, he has basically instated evolution into his beliefs. Whether it happened naturally or God made it happen, he doesn't know and said he obviously never will. I had thought this for a while, but it seems more and more people are beginning to think this way.

So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
In order for them to continue to believe what they do, they have to make the world fit their beliefs, make excuses for why things happen.

So to answer your question, yes, they will have to start molding their beliefs to the ways we're discovering that the world works, in order to look a little less ignorant.
2008-01-09 18:38:01
Yellowman03
Once Again, We Meet at Last
+108|6525|Texas
though evolution has very strong evidence. Religious people are still not willing to believe it. It is mainly becoming more popular as countries develop and become more secular. As a post-industrial nation, the US(more and more people) doesn't need religion to have hope, happiness, luck, etc. I think it's a mistake to base this on US standards. Most people in the world don't have access to this evolution theory. Most people can accept both at the same time, but those hardcore conservatives can't. Now, we're seeing a less of a problem. Schools are putting it in the cirriculum. Therefore, I think evolution is integrating into the US society, not necessarily everywhere else.
2008-01-09 18:38:33
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6737|Chicago, IL

Poseidon wrote:

My Bio teacher brought up an interesting point to me today. He mentioned that while he's a very religious man, he has basically instated evolution into his beliefs. Whether it happened naturally or God made it happen, he doesn't know and said he obviously never will. I had thought this for a while, but it seems more and more people are beginning to think this way.

So my question is - with Science being able to prove Evolution more and more correct by the day, will more scientific terms being proven start to shape the beliefs of christians/jews/muslims/etc worldwide?
the Lutheran church teaches (and has taught for a while) that much of genesis is not literal fact.  They teach that God created the universe over the timeline given by scientists ("Let there be light" = Big Bang), and then populated earth using the mechanism of evolution. (Humans came last either way.)

I'm not really religious anymore, but I was always impressed with how openly my church accepted scientific findings, especially as i started to learn more about the other denominations.
2008-01-09 18:47:23
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6975|United States of America
Very few people who even consider themselves religious buy the whole creationism story that things were put on earth as the way they are. It's an outdated idea just like the 6000 year old planet due to lack of the scientific knowledge. Speaking for myself alone, I believe God gave life to the universe. In fact, I can't think of anyone I know who openly acknowledges creationism theory as the truth.

Here we see another example of generalizations that people make. I'm willing to say that a minority of "religious" people, at least in this country, accept evolution to a much greater extent than creation theory. Besides, I don't consider how the idea of creation a major part of my religious beliefs as the ideas of charity, tolerance, forgiveness and so forth are.
2008-01-09 18:54:19
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6820|Global Command
The fact that it is even still debated is a head scratcher.
2008-01-09 19:13:25
madmurre
I suspect something is amiss
+117|7001|Sweden
The religous people have a "new" weapon to counter this they just call it "Intelligent Design" it grows more an more popular nowadays i heard especially in the US. Was forbidden to beeing teached in schools though went to court in Denver 2004 if i recall correctly where it was disapproved.

ID basicly means something is so complex and advanced there´s no logical explanation to explain how it was created thus it has to be created by a god or something. Guess the next step from there is to go back to the Eva and Adam fairytales the step aint that far away.
2008-01-09 19:16:50
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6737|Chicago, IL

ATG wrote:

The fact that it is even still debated is a head scratcher.
It really shouldn't be, not even the pope believes in the young earth "theory"...
2008-01-09 19:18:49
Yellowman03
Once Again, We Meet at Last
+108|6525|Texas

d4rkph03n1x wrote:

Yellowman03 wrote:

though evolution has very strong evidence. Religious people are still not willing to believe it. It is mainly becoming more popular as countries develop and become more secular. As a post-industrial nation, the US(more and more people) doesn't need religion to have hope, happiness, luck, etc. I think it's a mistake to base this on US standards. Most people in the world don't have access to this evolution theory. Most people can accept both at the same time, but those hardcore conservatives can't. Now, we're seeing a less of a problem. Schools are putting it in the cirriculum. Therefore, I think evolution is integrating into the US society, not necessarily everywhere else.
If religion gives people hope, and a reason to live, or will to pull through what tough times, is it a bad thing?
religion is great! it tells people to be good, and if they don't they'll be punished. I'm saying that developed countries go through secularization. Evolution takes a foothold because religion is losing its influence. I think most christians learn to deal it evolution. Only the hardcore nuts that have no lives except to christianize the world are stupid.
2008-01-09 19:20:28
adam1503
Member
+85|6679|Manchester, UK
I honestly believe that religion will begin to disappear significantly in this century.
2008-01-09 19:32:46
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6443|what

The evolution theory I had hoped would be well accepted by now. Religions once beleived the Earth was the centre of the universe because God made it so. The Sun revolves around the Earth. The world is flat. All were disproved by science (or the truth was proved if you prefer).

The reason evolution theory goes against religion so harshly I'm not so sure. But the religious followers have instead turned to the "Intelligent design" theory. It just says God made it possible for evolution to take place.

The idea of religion is in essence the good vs bad.

I don't need the bible or a church the set my moral compass.
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2008-01-09 19:36:14
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6975|United States of America

adam1503 wrote:

I honestly believe that religion will begin to disappear significantly in this century.
I disagree and strongly hope it doesn't. Religion is a great idea that's often poorly executed. It gives people a way to express their strong beliefs that they live by. People want to follow without adapting a religion for themselves. One can't simply agree with everything there is, but must put some thought into the process and get their own ideas. The reason religion is seen as a cause for conflicts and whatnot is due to stupid people who aren't exactly the model of whatever religion they may associate with while performing such actions. For example, pretty much all the religions I think of promote peace or something along those lines and yet all have periods of violence that are associated with them. Again though, great idea, poor execution.

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2008-01-09 19:41:56
adam1503
Member
+85|6679|Manchester, UK

DesertFox- wrote:

I disagree and strongly hope it doesn't. Religion is a great idea that's often poorly executed. It gives people a way to express their strong beliefs that they live by. People want to follow without adapting a religion for themselves. One can't simply agree with everything there is, but must put some thought into the process and get their own ideas. The reason religion is seen as a cause for conflicts and whatnot is due to stupid people who aren't exactly the model of whatever religion they may associate with while performing such actions. For example, pretty much all the religions I think of promote peace or something along those lines and yet all have periods of violence that are associated with them. Again though, great idea, poor execution.
I agree with what youre saying, no religion is inherently evil, but there are some who cause conflict in the name of religion, and of course they dont stand for the same values as the mainstream believers.  These are the people who cause the conflicts.  Once we have mastered tolerance, we wont have a problem.  But that is a LONG way off.
2008-01-09 19:42:17
Yellowman03
Once Again, We Meet at Last
+108|6525|Texas

adam1503 wrote:

I honestly believe that religion will begin to disappear significantly in this century.
why? 99% of the world is religious wheter it be deism or animisim. Islam is growing and seems to never die, Christianity has been dominant for centuries, and though people attend church less often, hindus reject the caste system, and people believe more in technology and science, religion can not and will never disappear.
2008-01-09 19:57:53
weerdfoo1
Banned
+26|6455|California

ig wrote:

probably not. the majority of religious people are too stubborn to open their minds.
Well, I'm religious, but I accept most of what science says.
The only reason why I say most is because some science is just theory. (Such as the string theory from what I've read)

As for the theory on evolution and integrating it with religion, I have been doing that since I first heard the theory of evolution, so nothing new for me there.
2008-01-09 20:00:28
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6860|Portland, OR, USA

Yellowman03 wrote:

adam1503 wrote:

I honestly believe that religion will begin to disappear significantly in this century.
why? 99% of the world is religious wheter it be deism or animisim. Islam is growing and seems to never die, Christianity has been dominant for centuries, and though people attend church less often, hindus reject the caste system, and people believe more in technology and science, religion can not and will never disappear.
99% of the world? Please.

I would have believed you had you said "75% of the world is spiritual" but religious? no
2008-01-09 20:11:40
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6837|the best galaxy
Christian people is a minority. A very puzzeling one too.
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2008-01-09 20:13:43
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6736|The Land of Scott Walker
I'd be glad to clear up anything that puzzles you.
2008-01-09 20:17:59
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6837|the best galaxy
ok, why?
thx in advance.

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2008-01-09 20:21:13
clogar
damn ain't it great to be a laxer
+32|6246|Minnesota

ig wrote:

probably not. the majority of religious people are too stubborn to open their minds.
untrue i'm a roman catholic and i believe science and faith must work together
2008-01-09 20:21:56
adam1503
Member
+85|6679|Manchester, UK
lol at the adverts at the bottom of this thread:

"7 Great myths of Organised Religion"

very appropriate
2008-01-09 20:24:13
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6736|The Land of Scott Walker

Freke1 wrote:

ok, why?
thx in advance.
You said Christian people are puzzling and I enjoy discussing my faith.
2008-01-09 21:05:23
Freke1
I play at night... mostly
+47|6837|the best galaxy
To keep to the topic of the OP I find that religion and science don't mix. They are opposits. You can't have both. You have to choose.
Religious people choose to believe in the bible and God, that he created the earth and human.
Science oriented people trust scientists when they say how the universe evolved, simple life began and resulted in the universe we have today.
Why do You trust the bible and why don't You trust the scientists? Don't You trust anything the scientists say or is it just when it collides with Your faith?
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2008-01-09 21:21:59
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6652|Vancouver

adam1503 wrote:

I honestly believe that religion will begin to disappear significantly in this century.
I'd have to disagree. It would be too drastic a change and too far from our sociological roots for a powerful change such as this.

However, I could misinterpret how you use "significantly", as it is becoming clearer that there is a decline in theists in the Western world. Other nations, on the other hand, have experienced a mix of growth and decline of religion, depending on the country.

 

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