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2008-01-04 17:37:27
Marinejuana
local
+415|6804|Seattle
No airstrikes. You spawn with 0 grenades (frag, GLs, RPGs, or specials). For every 5 person kill streak, you get 1 nade (GL or RPG if you have a launcher, regular nade if you don't) and fresh ammo. 7 kill streak gives you a special grenade. Weapon sights no longer drunkenly bob around unless using ACOG or sniper scope without holding breath. No Martyrdom.

I'm all for people intelligently using nades, so why not reserve them for the players that are actually fighting, rather than holding back and trying to spam their way to victory? I also think that the system might be better if, rather than kill streaks, it was just total kills for rewards. This way people have one less incentive to camp and play like a defensive whore. On the other hand, the kill streak system does encourage people to look after their neck and play a little more "realistically" and I can appreciate that.

Grenades are important but its just silly how they are used in this game. Since people can carry 3 of them yet know they probably only have 2 minutes to live in battle, there are nades being thrown out almost constantly. It's just sort of comical. I can't picture soldiers just throwing out nade after nade in the middle of streets, etc. outside of games like this. Maybe I just don't know enough about military tactics. ...the nade spamming strategies annoyed me in BF2 as well, much moreso than CoD4...

Last edited by Marinejuana (2008-01-04 17:43:40)

2008-01-04 17:54:53
Blehm98
conservative hatemonger
+150|6682|meh-land
I think 3x frag grenades is retarted, because it takes what should be a valuable commodity and makes it instead a cheap throw away free kill or two
if they took it out it would make the game a lot better...
2008-01-04 18:01:17
Ender2309
has joined the GOP
+470|6790|USA
i really don't understand the nade spamming in this game. its like everybody from BF2 came to COD4 and didn't know how to shoot guns anymore because all they've been doing for three years is nade spamming.
2008-01-04 18:04:26
wah1188
You orrible caaaaaaan't
+321|6679|UK
I would like to see a mod or something that tinkers a lil with the gameplay like this.
2008-01-04 18:14:11
gameaddict
Member
+35|6899|let op drempels

Ender2309 wrote:

i really don't understand the nade spamming in this game. its like everybody from BF2 came to COD4 and didn't know how to shoot guns anymore because all they've been doing for three years is nade spamming.
.......or because CoD 4 is an easy game on itself already.
2008-01-05 06:58:28
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6834|do not disturb

Blehm98 wrote:

I think 3x frag grenades is retarted, because it takes what should be a valuable commodity and makes it instead a cheap throw away free kill or two
if they took it out it would make the game a lot better...
I agree it needs to be removed. I can't think of another perk to replace it though. Same with martyrdom.

There a few problems with MJ's idea though. I use the bandoleer perk for my m16 and it wouldn't matter getting fresh ammo after a 5 kill streak, unless you couldn't use that perk in HC. The fact you are stripped of special grenades also turns me off quite a bit. Flash grenades stun you, and unless you catch it with your mouth it won't kill you. Flash grenades have never seemed to be a problem. But I like the idea of getting grenades as you have a higher kill streak. The only thing is get rid of the 3x grenade perk and then things will be ok if you try to implement this idea.

I'll only play HC if I have to. They should include a filter for that
2008-01-05 08:39:59
Fat_Swinub
jaff
+125|6654
Hardcore also undermines certain weapons which I would like to see tweaked. The G3 and SVD both kill in one chest shot. This effectively undermines any incentive to go for bolt action sniper rifles. Grenades I don't mind, nor martydom. I have to turn off my music though to listen to the grenade dropping since there isn't a HUD icon.
2008-01-05 09:00:12
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6834|do not disturb

Fat_Swinub wrote:

Hardcore also undermines certain weapons which I would like to see tweaked. The G3 and SVD both kill in one chest shot. This effectively undermines any incentive to go for bolt action sniper rifles. Grenades I don't mind, nor martydom. I have to turn off my music though to listen to the grenade dropping since there isn't a HUD icon.
It is why I like standard because guns have more noticeable characteristics instead of all being able to kill you in 1-2 shots.
2008-01-05 09:31:59
Marinejuana
local
+415|6804|Seattle

Fat_Swinub wrote:

Hardcore also undermines certain weapons which I would like to see tweaked. The G3 and SVD both kill in one chest shot. This effectively undermines any incentive to go for bolt action sniper rifles. Grenades I don't mind, nor martydom. I have to turn off my music though to listen to the grenade dropping since there isn't a HUD icon.
well to be honest, bolt actions don't really make sense in any cod4 map. if u like them, u can use them, but if reality is the frame of reference at all, then any semi auto sniper rifle would be more than accurate and powerful enough.
2008-01-05 09:48:32
Fat_Swinub
jaff
+125|6654

Marinejuana wrote:

well to be honest, bolt actions don't really make sense in any cod4 map. if u like them, u can use them, but if reality is the frame of reference at all, then any semi auto sniper rifle would be more than accurate and powerful enough.
Then you go into the age-old argument of realism over gameplay. Where is the balance? If realism is the key underlining feature in hardcore as opposed to gameplay then it's fine and yeah a semi automatic would be more than enough. However, for the sake of gameplay, I would want them tweaked as they undermine the bolt actions.
2008-01-05 10:28:24
Marinejuana
local
+415|6804|Seattle

Fat_Swinub wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

well to be honest, bolt actions don't really make sense in any cod4 map. if u like them, u can use them, but if reality is the frame of reference at all, then any semi auto sniper rifle would be more than accurate and powerful enough.
Then you go into the age-old argument of realism over gameplay. Where is the balance? If realism is the key underlining feature in hardcore as opposed to gameplay then it's fine and yeah a semi automatic would be more than enough. However, for the sake of gameplay, I would want them tweaked as they undermine the bolt actions.
true, maybe people prefer the gameplay with half- or quarter-powered rifles. I think thats why BF2 was how it was and why normal mode CoD4 requires 4-6 chest shots with a lot of weapons, i don't mind that system. But if you are going to have a hardcore mode where weapons kill in a couple shots, then high-powered 7.62x51 mm rifles like the G3, M14, M21, M60, M40, remington model 70, or SVD and RPD which fire a similar round, should probably drop people in a single chest shot. just my opinion.

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2008-01-05 11:19:05
Phrozenbot
Member
+632|6834|do not disturb

Marinejuana wrote:

Fat_Swinub wrote:

Marinejuana wrote:

well to be honest, bolt actions don't really make sense in any cod4 map. if u like them, u can use them, but if reality is the frame of reference at all, then any semi auto sniper rifle would be more than accurate and powerful enough.
Then you go into the age-old argument of realism over gameplay. Where is the balance? If realism is the key underlining feature in hardcore as opposed to gameplay then it's fine and yeah a semi automatic would be more than enough. However, for the sake of gameplay, I would want them tweaked as they undermine the bolt actions.
true, maybe people prefer the gameplay with half- or quarter-powered rifles. I think thats why BF2 was how it was and why normal mode CoD4 requires 4-6 chest shots with a lot of weapons, i don't mind that system. But if you are going to have a hardcore mode where weapons kill in a couple shots, then high-powered 7.62x51 mm rifles like the G3, M14, M21, M60, M40, remington model 70, or SVD and RPD which fire a similar round, should probably drop people in a single chest shot. just my opinion.
But they need realistic recoil along with it. With guns like that, all you need to do is spray and pray until you hit them. Maybe Juggernaut needs to give health more of a boost in HC?
2008-01-06 07:26:05
Marinejuana
local
+415|6804|Seattle

Phrozenbot wrote:

But they need realistic recoil along with it. With guns like that, all you need to do is spray and pray until you hit them. Maybe Juggernaut needs to give health more of a boost in HC?
Well I don't think that in HC, since there is a regular mode, there should be any way of standing up to .308 as a standard soldier. I just get the impression that hardcore mode is supposed to be realism mode, and anything that can drop an elk at 100 M should pretty much own a person in one shot on a tiny CoD4 map, no question. However, i have read about a type of body armor called dragon skin that technically can prevent .308 from penetrating. It would probably still break all your ribs and throw you on the floor but this could be excuse enough for CoD4 to have juggernaut mode require 2 .308 shots, the juggernaut perk would be twice as cool if it was called dragon skin body armor or something so that it actually represented something as apposed to being an empty video game contrivance. It would even be cooler if they just called it military issue morphine and amphetamines, lol.

But the average soldier just has to drop when shot with a deer rifle, i mean c'mon. Two shots max if they are drugged up on painkillers or stimulants and/or wearing high-tech body armor.

 

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