Bzzzzz, try again! This person was not under direct threat. I never said I would not protect my home or family if directly threatened. I said I would not kill some one that was not directly threatening me or another person. Such is the case here. No person(s) were being threatened. This person just took it upon himself to execute vigilante justice. That is simply unacceptable.lowing wrote:
If you would not defend your home and your family up to and including death then you are either a liar, or a coward.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But you continue to miss the major point of the issue. His hearth and home was not under direct threat. At what point to do we realize that while owning guns does not allow us to nuke the scum robbing the house next door? Yes I hate these douchebags that would deprive me of what I have worked for, accountability and punishment in line with what the law allows does not call for the death sentence.lowing wrote:
Yup maybe he will be found guilty of murder, my PERSONAL OPINION is I support his actions regardless of what the laws says to protect felons rights.
Now, are you going to stand by your belief that a home owner should NOT have the right to use deadly force in the defense of his hearth and home because the penal code has no provisions to kill burglars?
Are you truly a person of God? Do you honestly belive you can justify standing before your god and justifying the death of another because physical posessions were being taken from you?
If you do, that makes you worse than the Islamic terrorists our troops have to fight day in, and day out. You are a domestic threat far beyond any nuclear weapon. You are the tool that only the most sick and demented could ever hope to have amongst a civilized society.
I am not a person of God, I take responsibility for my self and my own actions without blaming or citing God.
Yes I believe protecting my home and my family against home invasion justifies justifiable homocide. SO if that makes me worse than a terrorist in your eyes, or a greater threat than a nuke, LOL, I promise, it is a label I can live with.
This guy was protecting his neighbor and neighborhood I feel safer with him out of jail than I would with these criminals out of jail.Kmarion wrote:
The problem is the shooter became a felon as well. By your logic the families of the deceased have every right to hunt down and kill Mr.Horn.lowing wrote:
So is putting felons rights as a higher priority for leniency, over victims rightsKmarion wrote:
Herein lies the problem of street justice. Imagine the possibilities for explaining murder... Applying the law selectively without due process is dangerous.
That is not what I am saying, I am saying that I have no problem with robbers being shot in their attempt to rob. Nothing more nothing lessmikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that you have no problem with people using guns irresponsibly, and that you support the pardoning of any crimes committed by the shooter as a result of this irresponsibility? Yeah, I think I've got it now.lowing wrote:
Nope, I am saying after being attacked, whether the criminal then runs or not, I can completely understand a victim being so full of emotion and adrenalin that he might shoot his attacker in the back, I also have no problem with it. Does that clarify it?mikkel wrote:
Haha, Lowing, read what you're replying to. I'll even quote it for you.lowing wrote:
No not really I simply love the fact that 2 felons are dead in the attempt to victimize innocent hard working people. I really don't care what the law says about it. I hope this guy gets away with it.
Now, have I left any rock unturned, or any question unanswered in the exploration of this thread and my opinion of it? If I have left you wondering at all how I feel about criminal behavior and their victims, please ask.
Where's the answer?
It's just my opinion that you should know when and how to use a gun if you intend on ever using it on other people. By the way, just so that you don't loose track of the topic at hand in your attempts to justify your position, this guy was never attacked, and we're talking about him shooting these guys in the back as they were running away.
Tell me where you live so I can take note that you will not get involved in the event your neighbors are attacked and I can be sure not to move in next door.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Bzzzzz, try again! This person was not under direct threat. I never said I would not protect my home or family if directly threatened. I said I would not kill some one that was not directly threatening me or another person. Such is the case here. No person(s) were being threatened. This person just took it upon himself to execute vigilante justice. That is simply unacceptable.lowing wrote:
If you would not defend your home and your family up to and including death then you are either a liar, or a coward.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
But you continue to miss the major point of the issue. His hearth and home was not under direct threat. At what point to do we realize that while owning guns does not allow us to nuke the scum robbing the house next door? Yes I hate these douchebags that would deprive me of what I have worked for, accountability and punishment in line with what the law allows does not call for the death sentence.
Are you truly a person of God? Do you honestly belive you can justify standing before your god and justifying the death of another because physical posessions were being taken from you?
If you do, that makes you worse than the Islamic terrorists our troops have to fight day in, and day out. You are a domestic threat far beyond any nuclear weapon. You are the tool that only the most sick and demented could ever hope to have amongst a civilized society.
I am not a person of God, I take responsibility for my self and my own actions without blaming or citing God.
Yes I believe protecting my home and my family against home invasion justifies justifiable homocide. SO if that makes me worse than a terrorist in your eyes, or a greater threat than a nuke, LOL, I promise, it is a label I can live with.
I can tell you that if I saw my neighbors house being broken into I will call the cops then go over with my shotgun to try and do what I can to stop the invasion or my neighbor from getting harmed. I will not pull down my shade and roll over because I checked the penal code and decided I can't do anything anyway.
Everyone, give up.lowing wrote:
That is not what I am saying, I am saying that I have no problem with robbers being shot in their attempt to rob. Nothing more nothing lessmikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that you have no problem with people using guns irresponsibly, and that you support the pardoning of any crimes committed by the shooter as a result of this irresponsibility? Yeah, I think I've got it now.lowing wrote:
Nope, I am saying after being attacked, whether the criminal then runs or not, I can completely understand a victim being so full of emotion and adrenalin that he might shoot his attacker in the back, I also have no problem with it. Does that clarify it?
It's just my opinion that you should know when and how to use a gun if you intend on ever using it on other people. By the way, just so that you don't loose track of the topic at hand in your attempts to justify your position, this guy was never attacked, and we're talking about him shooting these guys in the back as they were running away.
Lowing, you clearly have no sense of criminal justice.
I just feel grateful we have constitutions to protect us from people like you.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.lowing wrote:
Tell me where you live so I can take note that you will not get involved in the event your neighbors are attacked and I can be sure not to move in next door.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Bzzzzz, try again! This person was not under direct threat. I never said I would not protect my home or family if directly threatened. I said I would not kill some one that was not directly threatening me or another person. Such is the case here. No person(s) were being threatened. This person just took it upon himself to execute vigilante justice. That is simply unacceptable.lowing wrote:
If you would not defend your home and your family up to and including death then you are either a liar, or a coward.
I am not a person of God, I take responsibility for my self and my own actions without blaming or citing God.
Yes I believe protecting my home and my family against home invasion justifies justifiable homocide. SO if that makes me worse than a terrorist in your eyes, or a greater threat than a nuke, LOL, I promise, it is a label I can live with.
I can tell you that if I saw my neighbors house being broken into I will call the cops then go over with my shotgun to try and do what I can to stop the invasion or my neighbor from getting harmed. I will not pull down my shade and roll over because I checked the penal code and decided I can't do anything anyway.
I have a sence of criminal justice, these robbers didn't get their day in court, perhaps if they went to work or to school they wouldn't have NEEDED that day in court or been deny the next day either. Personal responsibility goes along way, it appears it can even save your life.Spark wrote:
Everyone, give up.lowing wrote:
That is not what I am saying, I am saying that I have no problem with robbers being shot in their attempt to rob. Nothing more nothing lessmikkel wrote:
So what you're saying is that you have no problem with people using guns irresponsibly, and that you support the pardoning of any crimes committed by the shooter as a result of this irresponsibility? Yeah, I think I've got it now.
It's just my opinion that you should know when and how to use a gun if you intend on ever using it on other people. By the way, just so that you don't loose track of the topic at hand in your attempts to justify your position, this guy was never attacked, and we're talking about him shooting these guys in the back as they were running away.
Lowing, you clearly have no sense of criminal justice.
I just feel grateful we have constitutions to protect us from people like you.
Is there any legal backing to support the use of force in protecting the neighbors property? I could understand if it was his own, but I'm not so sure about using any force at all if it isn't yours.
What about the neighbour's responsibility? He could have not only saved spared two lives, he could have secured them some time having their orifices enlarged in a prison.lowing wrote:
I have a sence of criminal justice, these robbers didn't get their day in court, perhaps if they went to work or to school they wouldn't have NEEDED that day in court or been deny the next day either. Personal responsibility goes along way, it appears it can even save your life.Spark wrote:
Everyone, give up.lowing wrote:
That is not what I am saying, I am saying that I have no problem with robbers being shot in their attempt to rob. Nothing more nothing less
Lowing, you clearly have no sense of criminal justice.
I just feel grateful we have constitutions to protect us from people like you.
Though maiming would have been easier with a rifle, to be honest.
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No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOLAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.lowing wrote:
Tell me where you live so I can take note that you will not get involved in the event your neighbors are attacked and I can be sure not to move in next door.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Bzzzzz, try again! This person was not under direct threat. I never said I would not protect my home or family if directly threatened. I said I would not kill some one that was not directly threatening me or another person. Such is the case here. No person(s) were being threatened. This person just took it upon himself to execute vigilante justice. That is simply unacceptable.
I can tell you that if I saw my neighbors house being broken into I will call the cops then go over with my shotgun to try and do what I can to stop the invasion or my neighbor from getting harmed. I will not pull down my shade and roll over because I checked the penal code and decided I can't do anything anyway.
Everyone is always full of what coulda shoulda and woulda happened AFTER the fact.some_random_panda wrote:
What about the neighbour's responsibility? He could have not only saved spared two lives, he could have secured them some time having their orifices enlarged in a prison.lowing wrote:
I have a sence of criminal justice, these robbers didn't get their day in court, perhaps if they went to work or to school they wouldn't have NEEDED that day in court or been deny the next day either. Personal responsibility goes along way, it appears it can even save your life.Spark wrote:
Everyone, give up.
Lowing, you clearly have no sense of criminal justice.
I just feel grateful we have constitutions to protect us from people like you.
Though maiming would have been easier with a rifle, to be honest.
Insurance?lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOLAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.lowing wrote:
Tell me where you live so I can take note that you will not get involved in the event your neighbors are attacked and I can be sure not to move in next door.
I can tell you that if I saw my neighbors house being broken into I will call the cops then go over with my shotgun to try and do what I can to stop the invasion or my neighbor from getting harmed. I will not pull down my shade and roll over because I checked the penal code and decided I can't do anything anyway.
And really, lowing, calm down.
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Insurance? The police don't protect us from all crime? *gasp* Say it ain't so!
If that was my option as compared to living next to a "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" conservative like you...by all means. Please leave me to me and my neighbors to our decent sense of justice. Bad things happen, no matter how much we take in trying to make sure it doesn't. Guns or no, kill 'em all or not. Once you learn that you can't kill them all, whether they are after you or not, you will finally grow the fuck up and become a real adult.lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOLAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.lowing wrote:
Tell me where you live so I can take note that you will not get involved in the event your neighbors are attacked and I can be sure not to move in next door.
I can tell you that if I saw my neighbors house being broken into I will call the cops then go over with my shotgun to try and do what I can to stop the invasion or my neighbor from getting harmed. I will not pull down my shade and roll over because I checked the penal code and decided I can't do anything anyway.
I have never said kill them all and lewt god sort them out. Nor do I support the view. I simply support the notion of protecting my self and my family when we are minding our own business in our own home.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that was my option as compared to living next to a "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" conservative like you...by all means. Please leave me to me and my neighbors to our decent sense of justice. Bad things happen, no matter how much we take in trying to make sure it doesn't. Guns or no, kill 'em all or not. Once you learn that you can't kill them all, whether they are after you or not, you will finally grow the fuck up and become a real adult.lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOLAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.
If you do not share that belief of protecting yourself or your children I have no problem with that. You can knock yourself out. Or let someone else do it I suppose.
Backtracking a bit aren't we!? Did I or did I not say I have no problem protecting my home if under direct attack? I said that murdering, and that's what it is, some one robbing the house next door door does not constitute a need to use lethal force. If the home owner next door had called 911 indicating that there were intruders and (s)he had shot them, I have no qualms. The problem here is that the neighbor took it upon himself to make that call. So much for being judged by a jury or your peers. Vigilantee justice FTL!!!lowing wrote:
I have never said kill them all and lewt god sort them out. Nor do I support the view. I simply support the notion of protecting my self and my family when we are minding our own business in our own home.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that was my option as compared to living next to a "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" conservative like you...by all means. Please leave me to me and my neighbors to our decent sense of justice. Bad things happen, no matter how much we take in trying to make sure it doesn't. Guns or no, kill 'em all or not. Once you learn that you can't kill them all, whether they are after you or not, you will finally grow the fuck up and become a real adult.lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOL
If you do not share that belief of protecting yourself or your children I have no problem with that. You can knock yourself out. Or let someone else do it I suppose.
And before you label me a hippie liberal, I own two hunting rifles, and a handgun. I support the 2nd amendment, and fully support my right to own those guns, and will not give them up. However, I will not allow myself to stand in judgment of others until I get a notice from the court indicating that my it is my civic duty to do so.
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I am not backtracking one bit, I stand by everything I said. Again I do not support murder but if a criminal gets killed while commiting their crimes oh well. I someone ODs on their drugs, big deal, if a drunk driver wraps himself around a fuckin light pole, no biggie. I reserve my sympathies for victims not criminals. If that makes me a monster, again, I can live with it and sleep tightAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Backtracking a bit aren't we!? Did I or did I not say I have no problem protecting my home if under direct attack? I said that murdering, and that's what it is, some one robbing the house next door door does not constitute a need to use lethal force. If the home owner next door had called 911 indicating that there were intruders and (s)he had shot them, I have no qualms. The problem here is that the neighbor took it upon himself to make that call. So much for being judged by a jury or your peers. Vigilantee justice FTL!!!lowing wrote:
I have never said kill them all and lewt god sort them out. Nor do I support the view. I simply support the notion of protecting my self and my family when we are minding our own business in our own home.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
If that was my option as compared to living next to a "kill 'em all and let God sort them out" conservative like you...by all means. Please leave me to me and my neighbors to our decent sense of justice. Bad things happen, no matter how much we take in trying to make sure it doesn't. Guns or no, kill 'em all or not. Once you learn that you can't kill them all, whether they are after you or not, you will finally grow the fuck up and become a real adult.
If you do not share that belief of protecting yourself or your children I have no problem with that. You can knock yourself out. Or let someone else do it I suppose.
And before you label me a hippie liberal, I own two hunting rifles, and a handgun. I support the 2nd amendment, and fully support my right to own those guns, and will not give them up. However, I will not allow myself to stand in judgment of others until I get a notice from the court indicating that my it is my civic duty to do so.
That's the problem. When you say it's OK for the neighbor to shoot someone dead because of stolen property, that does make you the monster. If you can take an "Oh well" stance, believe me, I'll have no problem shooting you when you come to my property because you just wanted to say "hi" and I assumed you were going to take criminal action against me.lowing wrote:
I am not backtracking one bit, I stand by everything I said. Again I do not support murder but if a criminal gets killed while commiting their crimes oh well. I someone ODs on their drugs, big deal, if a drunk driver wraps himself around a fuckin light pole, no biggie. I reserve my sympathies for victims not criminals. If that makes me a monster, again, I can live with it and sleep tightAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Backtracking a bit aren't we!? Did I or did I not say I have no problem protecting my home if under direct attack? I said that murdering, and that's what it is, some one robbing the house next door door does not constitute a need to use lethal force. If the home owner next door had called 911 indicating that there were intruders and (s)he had shot them, I have no qualms. The problem here is that the neighbor took it upon himself to make that call. So much for being judged by a jury or your peers. Vigilantee justice FTL!!!lowing wrote:
I have never said kill them all and lewt god sort them out. Nor do I support the view. I simply support the notion of protecting my self and my family when we are minding our own business in our own home.
If you do not share that belief of protecting yourself or your children I have no problem with that. You can knock yourself out. Or let someone else do it I suppose.
And before you label me a hippie liberal, I own two hunting rifles, and a handgun. I support the 2nd amendment, and fully support my right to own those guns, and will not give them up. However, I will not allow myself to stand in judgment of others until I get a notice from the court indicating that my it is my civic duty to do so.
And just to make sure there were no reprocussions of my actions, do I need to make sure your family is contained? Not that I want to head down that path, but that is where you have taken this argument.
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Believe it or not, you are the one who is inconsistant with your argument.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
That's the problem. When you say it's OK for the neighbor to shoot someone dead because of stolen property, that does make you the monster. If you can take an "Oh well" stance, believe me, I'll have no problem shooting you when you come to my property because you just wanted to say "hi" and I assumed you were going to take criminal action against me.lowing wrote:
I am not backtracking one bit, I stand by everything I said. Again I do not support murder but if a criminal gets killed while commiting their crimes oh well. I someone ODs on their drugs, big deal, if a drunk driver wraps himself around a fuckin light pole, no biggie. I reserve my sympathies for victims not criminals. If that makes me a monster, again, I can live with it and sleep tightAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Backtracking a bit aren't we!? Did I or did I not say I have no problem protecting my home if under direct attack? I said that murdering, and that's what it is, some one robbing the house next door door does not constitute a need to use lethal force. If the home owner next door had called 911 indicating that there were intruders and (s)he had shot them, I have no qualms. The problem here is that the neighbor took it upon himself to make that call. So much for being judged by a jury or your peers. Vigilantee justice FTL!!!
And before you label me a hippie liberal, I own two hunting rifles, and a handgun. I support the 2nd amendment, and fully support my right to own those guns, and will not give them up. However, I will not allow myself to stand in judgment of others until I get a notice from the court indicating that my it is my civic duty to do so.
And just to make sure there were no reprocussions of my actions, do I need to make sure your family is contained? Not that I want to head down that path, but that is where you have taken this argument.
YOu say robbery does not warrant death, yet you will possibly kill someone that robs YOU.
I say a criminal is a criminal be it he robs me or my friends. If they get shot robbing me, Oh well, if they get shot robbing my friends, oh well, if they get shot BY me while robbing my friends, oh well.
If you have ever read any of my posts you know I hold personal responsibility as the highest regard. I have no time for compassion or sympathy for those that do not exercise it, or learn from not exercising it, if given the chance to do so.
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If you are going to play that card, you need to let everyone know to chill out. I think this section is debate and serious talk, this appears to be happening. Just because a guy doesn't have your beliefs, doesn't mean you should treat them with any less respect.some_random_panda wrote:
Insurance?lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOLAgent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Please don't move in next to me. I don't need your "Terminator" justice around here. I believe in the punishment fitting the crime. If you see some one in your neighbors house, by all means call the police. Collect whatever information you can without endangering you or your faimily's life, to make sure those guilty are brought to justice. You seem to have this perception that every robbery ends in some one getting hurt. That simply isn't the case. I have enough right wing wackos in this state without your kind. Please do me and the rest of humanity a favor and don't move here. I already have a large enough wacko war to fight against the "kill 'em all" conservatives without another coming here.
And really, lowing, calm down.
add to it, I am not even excited.Moo? Si! wrote:
If you are going to play that card, you need to let everyone know to chill out. I think this section is debate and serious talk, this appears to be happening. Just because a guy doesn't have your beliefs, doesn't mean you should treat them with any less respect.some_random_panda wrote:
Insurance?lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOL
And really, lowing, calm down.
LOL...go ahead and do whatever makes you think you have been consistent and I have not. I've said from the fist post that I would protect my home and family if directly attacked, but that I would not MURDER the person that was breaking into the neighbors home.lowing wrote:
Believe it or not, you are the one who is inconsistant with your argument.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
That's the problem. When you say it's OK for the neighbor to shoot someone dead because of stolen property, that does make you the monster. If you can take an "Oh well" stance, believe me, I'll have no problem shooting you when you come to my property because you just wanted to say "hi" and I assumed you were going to take criminal action against me.lowing wrote:
I am not backtracking one bit, I stand by everything I said. Again I do not support murder but if a criminal gets killed while commiting their crimes oh well. I someone ODs on their drugs, big deal, if a drunk driver wraps himself around a fuckin light pole, no biggie. I reserve my sympathies for victims not criminals. If that makes me a monster, again, I can live with it and sleep tight
And just to make sure there were no reprocussions of my actions, do I need to make sure your family is contained? Not that I want to head down that path, but that is where you have taken this argument.
YOu say robbery does not warrant death, yet you will possibly kill someone that robs YOU.
I say a criminal is a criminal be it he robs me or my friends. If they get shot robbing me, Oh well, if they get shot robbing my friends, oh well, if they get shot BY me while robbing my friends, oh well.
If you have ever read any of my posts you know I hold personal responsibility as the highest regard. I have no time for compassion or sympathy for those that do not exercise it, or learn from not exercising it, if given the chance to do so.
Oh wait, did you just shoot me, because I forgot my keys and was trying to find a way into my house!? PLEASE DON'T DO ME ANY FUCKING FAVORS YOU FUCKING CONSERVATIVE VIGILANTE!!!
Hmmmmmmm I wonder what you would do if someone broke into your nieghbors house while your son or daughter was spending the night there. Maybe if your nieghbors are old, or handicapped.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
LOL...go ahead and do whatever makes you think you have been consistent and I have not. I've said from the fist post that I would protect my home and family if directly attacked, but that I would not MURDER the person that was breaking into the neighbors home.lowing wrote:
Believe it or not, you are the one who is inconsistant with your argument.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
That's the problem. When you say it's OK for the neighbor to shoot someone dead because of stolen property, that does make you the monster. If you can take an "Oh well" stance, believe me, I'll have no problem shooting you when you come to my property because you just wanted to say "hi" and I assumed you were going to take criminal action against me.
And just to make sure there were no reprocussions of my actions, do I need to make sure your family is contained? Not that I want to head down that path, but that is where you have taken this argument.
YOu say robbery does not warrant death, yet you will possibly kill someone that robs YOU.
I say a criminal is a criminal be it he robs me or my friends. If they get shot robbing me, Oh well, if they get shot robbing my friends, oh well, if they get shot BY me while robbing my friends, oh well.
If you have ever read any of my posts you know I hold personal responsibility as the highest regard. I have no time for compassion or sympathy for those that do not exercise it, or learn from not exercising it, if given the chance to do so.
Oh wait, did you just shoot me, because I forgot my keys and was trying to find a way into my house!? PLEASE DON'T DO ME ANY FUCKING FAVORS YOU FUCKING CONSERVATIVE VIGILANTE!!!
Nothing I am sure.
I already told ya, I won't see or hear a thing, I wouldn't care if ya fuckin froze to death stuck in your chimney or some other stupid shit. Probably would send the video to the Darwin Awards or one of the funniest video shows.
Last edited by lowing (2008-01-01 21:07:44)
Fine.Moo? Si! wrote:
If you are going to play that card, you need to let everyone know to chill out. I think this section is debate and serious talk, this appears to be happening. Just because a guy doesn't have your beliefs, doesn't mean you should treat them with any less respect.some_random_panda wrote:
Insurance?lowing wrote:
No worries pal, I have worked too hard in my life to make sure I do not have to live in a nieghborhood with bars on the windows. Also even if I did happen to move next door to you I can promise I wouldn't hear or see a thing if you got home invaded. Just give them all they want and they will probably leave peacefully and you can take comfort in the fact that they got away and will probably never get caught. Ya might even be able to go on EBAY and buy all of your shit back. LOL
And really, lowing, calm down.
Everyone, calm down. Happy now?
Last time I checked, I respected Kmarion even after he got heated at me. Just because I try keep a level played field doesn't mean I don't respect anyone.
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LOL!!! You are so pathetic. I feel sorry for your wife and family. As much as I am a devout athiest I will say this, for your benefit...lowing wrote:
Hmmmmmmm I wonder what you would do if someone broke into your nieghbors house while your son or daughter was spending the night there.Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
LOL...go ahead and do whatever makes you think you have been consistent and I have not. I've said from the fist post that I would protect my home and family if directly attacked, but that I would not MURDER the person that was breaking into the neighbors home.lowing wrote:
Believe it or not, you are the one who is inconsistant with your argument.
YOu say robbery does not warrant death, yet you will possibly kill someone that robs YOU.
I say a criminal is a criminal be it he robs me or my friends. If they get shot robbing me, Oh well, if they get shot robbing my friends, oh well, if they get shot BY me while robbing my friends, oh well.
If you have ever read any of my posts you know I hold personal responsibility as the highest regard. I have no time for compassion or sympathy for those that do not exercise it, or learn from not exercising it, if given the chance to do so.
Oh wait, did you just shoot me, because I forgot my keys and was trying to find a way into my house!? PLEASE DON'T DO ME ANY FUCKING FAVORS YOU FUCKING CONSERVATIVE VIGILANTE!!!
Nothing I am sure.
I already told ya, I won't see or hear a thing, I wouldn't care if ya fuckin froze to death stuck in your chimney or some other stupid shit. Probably would send the video to the Darwin Awards or one of the funniest video shows.
May God have murcy on your soul.
Oh, and if there is a hell, and I'm going there, I have a place reserved just for you.