Cleft
Member
+2|6324|Pacific Northwest
Not sure if this is D&ST worthy material, but looking at blademasters 'Five women with whom your girlfriend would agree to have a threesome' thread I guess it doesn't take much.

Source: http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/story?id=4 … amp;page=1

ABC News wrote:

Topless Woman Lured Perverts in Police Sting
Firefighter Busted for Exposing Himself to Sunbather Appeals 'Entrapment' Conviction
By MARCUS BARAM

Dec. 28, 2007 —

Robin Garrison, an off-duty 42-year-old firefighter, was walking in Berliner Park in Columbus, Ohio, in May when he saw a woman sunbathing topless under a tree.

He approached her and they started talking and getting comfortable, the woman smiling and resting her foot on his shoulder at one point.

Eventually, she asked to see Garrison's penis; he unzipped his pants and complied.

Seconds later, undercover police officers pulled up in a van and arrested Garrison; he was later charged with public indecency, a misdemeanor, based on video footage taken by cops who were targeting men having sex or masturbating in the park. While topless sunbathing is legal in the city's parks, exposing more than that is against the law.

The case is just one of the more extreme examples of police stings aimed at luring people into committing crimes, a tactic that has resulted in hundreds of arrests, many convictions and plenty of controversy.

Law enforcement officials say that such sting operations are an extremely effective means of lowering crime rates and stopping the criminally minded before they commit worse offenses. From early 2006 to the spring of 2007, there were 160 citations for public indecency in the city, according to an investigation by 10TV News. Among those who were caught in the stings: an Ohio State University doctor, government employees and a retired highway trooper.

But such operations veer dangerously close to entrapment, say lawyers, civil libertarians and defendants who've been caught in sting operations.

At Garrison's trial, his attorney argued that it was a case of entrapment. "Columbus police utilized this topless woman to snare this man," said Sam Shamansky. "He sees her day after day. He's not some seedy pervert."

The argument failed to sway a Franklin County Municipal Court jury that found Garrison guilty of public indecency last month. He was ordered to stay away from the park, placed on a year's probation and fined $250. Currently, Garrison remains on paid desk duty while the fire department conducts an internal investigation into his behavior.

"We want to be held to a higher standard, we are in the community every day and we put our best foot forward, but sometimes we stumble and make a mistake," said Columbus Fire Battalion Chief Doug Smith.

Garrison could not be reached for comment.

Shamansky plans to appeal the verdict on the grounds that the jury wasn't instructed on the definition of entrapment.

Other police departments across the country have dangled other temptations, from big-screen plasma TVs, Xbox 360 consoles and a shopping bag containing a cell phone and an iPod to catch people breaking the law.

In New York City, nearly 300 people, many of whom had no criminal record, have been snared this year through the NYPD's Operation Lucky Bag, in which undercover officers leave a wallet, iPod or cell phone in a subway station and wait to see who picks it up.

Although deputy police Commissioner Paul Browne says the program has helped cut subway grand larcenies by half, critics say that the police have gone too far.

"It's pretty straightforward that this is a police-created crime," said Legal Aid Society lawyer Alex Lesman, who defended a man arrested for taking a bag containing an Xbox video game box, a Sprint cell phone and cash. "The police set this whole thing up. They shouldn't be doing that and luring people in that situation, especially in this age of terrorism where the transit system is always telling you to be on the lookout for suspicious bags."

The judge agreed with Lesman, acquitting his client, Antonio Arroyo. "The police should concentrate their noble efforts on behalf of the city on countering real crimes committed every day," wrote Kings County criminal court judge Matthew A. Sciarrino Jr. "They do not need to manipulate a situation where temptation may overcome even people who would normally never think of committing a crime."

Other lawyers have argued on behalf of their clients that the operation may also violate New York's personal property law, which allows someone who finds property worth more than $25 10 days to turn it in to the owner or the police.

An NYPD spokesperson emphasized that Operation Lucky Bag does not use abandoned property; rather it is property actively left by an officer who is still in the vicinity. In addition, it is used at stations where similar crimes have been reported.

Another sting operation that made headlines involved police in El Paso, Texas, and U.S. Marshals sending out messages to wanted felons stating that they had "won" free Xbox 360 consoles and/or big-screen plasma TVs. The operation led to 115 arrests last month and the police picked up more than $25,000 in traffic fines.

This ploy, which has been used in other cities in recent years, is a new twist on an old trick, because sting operations involving drugs and prostitutes have been around for decades. And though defendants often claim entrapment, that argument rarely works in those kind of cases.

"The definition of entrapment is police activity that induces somebody to commit a crime that they otherwise wouldn't do," said Gabriel Chin, law professor at the University of Arizona. "It's not entrapment to give somebody an opportunity to commit a crime."

Chin explains that entrapment involves an officer cajoling and persuading someone who's resistant to the idea of committing a crime. "Just preying on a predisposition is not necessarily entrapment."

But he said that Operation Lucky Bag seemed to cross a line, especially when compared to longstanding police operations involving officers posing as drunks to lure muggers to take their wallets or jewelry.

"Very few people who see a drunk with gold chains or an old lady with money sticking out of her purse succumb to temptation and assault that person," he said. "But lots and lots of people wouldn't turn in a wallet when it's full of money. You could ask whether it's an appropriate use of police resources. If we really want to criminalize people who do what we don't want them to do, a lot of people would be in jail."

The temptation may just be too powerful. "I've found $5 on the street and put it in my pocket," said Chin. "If I found $5,000 on the street, I hope I would do something different."
Discuss.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6634|Boulder, CO
Thats pathetic, don't the police force have better uses for their time and money than entrapping normally law abiding citizens?
Dragonclaw
Member
+186|6492|Florida
That is fucking bullshit tbh. What the fuck do they think someone will do if they find items left on the ground? How is that a fucking crime? How is a topless chick asking to see a guys dick make the guy a fucking pedo when SHE willingly asked for him to drop his pants? Fuck this country, getting more fucked up every day. Fucking stupid police need to actually do their job instead of tricking innocent people into partially breaking a law.
SenorToenails
Veritas et Scientia
+444|6317|North Tonawanda, NY
Damn.  The police ought to be doing something else with their time.  The firefighter shouldn't have showed that woman his penis in public, but she did ask explicitly.  He probably would not have done that if she didn't ask.

And that bullshit the NYPD is doing it absolutely ridiculous.
ig
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+1,199|6709

Noobeater wrote:

Thats pathetic, don't the police force have better uses for their time and money than entrapping normally law abiding citizens?
i wish
Black Vaine
Member
+43|6809|K-Town, Sweden
https://shadowmage.plinkomedia.com/images/Admiral-Ackbar-trap.jpg
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6808|London, England
That's unfair.
Gamematt
Stocking ur medpacks
+135|6849|Groningen, The Netherlands
The police seriously have nothing better to do than try and get people to commit minor crimes

I mean he's a god damn fire fighter not some evil terrorist, convict those police noobs instead.
Noobeater
Northern numpty
+194|6634|Boulder, CO
Is it possible to charge a police officer for wasting police time? If so then do it.
Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6736|UK

I hope this is an elaborate piss take :\
soldevilla13
SuperFly
+21|6909|oregon
LOL @ the person who takes the big screen TV off the street, haha, how the fuck do the cops set that up? just a tv sitting on the sidewalk?
AussieReaper
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+5,761|6340|what

soldevilla13 wrote:

LOL @ the person who takes the big screen TV off the street, haha, how the fuck do the cops set that up? just a tv sitting on the sidewalk?
minding its own business, when all of a sudden a stranger wanders up and looks at whats on. Police make the move when the tv suggests he doesn't go anywhere and stays during the short break for commercials.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
SgtSlutter
Banned
+550|6825|Amsterdam, NY
had to be done tbh
Stingray24
Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy
+1,060|6632|The Land of Scott Walker
This is downright ridiculous.
MetaL*
Banned
+188|6344|Anaheim, Mexifornia
Wow the cops must have gotten bored with their jobs.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6831
gotta fill a quota to justify the budget allocation
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6834
I believe this case in particular falls into the category of entraptment, but I usually have no problem with police stings in general.

The police often don't have much to do and it makes better use of their time.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6834

GunSlinger OIF II wrote:

gotta fill a quota to justify the budget allocation
blame the politicians for that.
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7017|Denver colorado
Heres another good one:

Make an effeminate man go up to a risky looking dude and ask him to show him his dick.

Then when hes about to beat the crap out of the guy you arrest him for hate crimes/assault.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6939|Toronto, ON
I agree with what the cops are doing.  People that disagree (ie. everyone that replied in this thread except for me) are the ones that would commit crimes.

I'm serious, trust me.  I have a university degree and would know.

Last edited by Nyte (2007-12-28 17:52:24)

Alpha as fuck.
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7017|Denver colorado

Nyte wrote:

I agree with what the cops are doing.  People that disagree (ie. everyone that replied in this thread except for me) are the ones that would commit crimes.

I'm serious, trust me.  I have a university degree and would know.
I agree now. Because you are right. And I must agree.
san4
The Mas
+311|6875|NYC, a place to live
The moral of the story is--when you see a topless woman in the park, ask to touch her boobs before you drop your pants.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6834

san4 wrote:

The moral of the story is--when you see a topless woman in the park, ask to touch her boobs before you drop your pants.
Or ask her to join you in the park bathroom for some hot port-a-potty sex.
lavadisk
I am a cat ¦ 3
+369|7017|Denver colorado

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

san4 wrote:

The moral of the story is--when you see a topless woman in the park, ask to touch her boobs before you drop your pants.
Or ask her to join you in the park bathroom for some hot port-a-potty sex.
the stench only enhances the experience?
Havok
Nymphomaniac Treatment Specialist
+302|6862|Florida, United States

lavadisk wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

san4 wrote:

The moral of the story is--when you see a topless woman in the park, ask to touch her boobs before you drop your pants.
Or ask her to join you in the park bathroom for some hot port-a-potty sex.
the stench only enhances the experience?
Natural aphrodisiacs ftw!

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