i'm basically tired of playin w/ the M1 tank that basically match the fire power as the rest of the tank in the game. i'm settin my goal, in real life, to be a tank commander. so i would like to see some actually firepower here, like the powerful SABOT rounds for the M1 tanks or the explosive reaction armor on the T-90 and T-98.
Interesting goal in life to be a tank commander. Good luck with that.crusaderop50 wrote:
i'm basically tired of playin w/ the M1 tank that basically match the fire power as the rest of the tank in the game. i'm settin my goal, in real life, to be a tank commander. so i would like to see some actually firepower here, like the powerful SABOT rounds for the M1 tanks or the explosive reaction armor on the T-90 and T-98.
As for seeing real firepower in the game I can see how that would appeal. Seeing a one shot kill from the M1A2 might be a little bit on the powerful side for a game like this. After all they have to look for balance. And also seeing the explosive reactive armor going off when a shell hits the side of the T-90 or 98 would also be a neat visual effect though I would expect that explosion to take out any nearby standing infantry as well.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
which is just another reason why soldiers shouldn't be close to a battle tank engaged in active combat...kilroy0097 wrote:
Interesting goal in life to be a tank commander. Good luck with that.crusaderop50 wrote:
i'm basically tired of playin w/ the M1 tank that basically match the fire power as the rest of the tank in the game. i'm settin my goal, in real life, to be a tank commander. so i would like to see some actually firepower here, like the powerful SABOT rounds for the M1 tanks or the explosive reaction armor on the T-90 and T-98.
As for seeing real firepower in the game I can see how that would appeal. Seeing a one shot kill from the M1A2 might be a little bit on the powerful side for a game like this. After all they have to look for balance. And also seeing the explosive reactive armor going off when a shell hits the side of the T-90 or 98 would also be a neat visual effect though I would expect that explosion to take out any nearby standing infantry as well.
apart from being run over, of course...
lol u dont wanna be near one anyways specially when they shoot you cant see or hear for a while tho i like that its sooo cool and im guessin itd really happen
but yeah the tanks have to be pretty much the same or itd make for a real crappy game
but yeah the tanks have to be pretty much the same or itd make for a real crappy game
my goal is to be a pilot for the Coast Guard
pilot for the coast guard eh? well no offense but i considered the coast guard a navy rejects.
are you refurring to the depleated uranium rounds? and its not the armor that explodes, its the heat from impact that sets off the internal magazene.crusaderop50 wrote:
...the powerful SABOT rounds for the M1 tanks or the explosive reaction armor on the T-90 and T-98.
why do you think that?crusaderop50 wrote:
pilot for the coast guard eh? well no offense but i considered the coast guard a navy rejects.
Nayo450 - Sounds like you're somewhat confused:
APFSDS (Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) rounds utilize a depleted uranium "penetrator" which, due to kinetic energy, literally punches a hole through the armor because of its mass and high velocity. The penetrator, and the chunk of armor it displaced both shatter from the impact, and the shards ricochet throughout the interior of the vehicle, shredding the occupants and usually detonating any ammo that's not already loaded or stored in an armored magazine.
Reactive Armor does explode, and the purpose for this is to collapse the plasma jet that's generated by a shaped charge when it detonates on impact. Without the benefit of reactive armor, that plasma jet would burn through most armor plating, and the resulting molten spall splashes through the interior and detonates any ammo present and / or ignites any flammable materials (does a nasty job on any occupants, too).
APFSDS (Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) rounds utilize a depleted uranium "penetrator" which, due to kinetic energy, literally punches a hole through the armor because of its mass and high velocity. The penetrator, and the chunk of armor it displaced both shatter from the impact, and the shards ricochet throughout the interior of the vehicle, shredding the occupants and usually detonating any ammo that's not already loaded or stored in an armored magazine.
Reactive Armor does explode, and the purpose for this is to collapse the plasma jet that's generated by a shaped charge when it detonates on impact. Without the benefit of reactive armor, that plasma jet would burn through most armor plating, and the resulting molten spall splashes through the interior and detonates any ammo present and / or ignites any flammable materials (does a nasty job on any occupants, too).
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i know that already.
Yea, I wonder why you think that. Curious really.crusaderop50 wrote:
pilot for the coast guard eh? well no offense but i considered the coast guard a navy rejects.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
HUH!!! this is a game lol a game, not real..T1mbrW0lf wrote:
Nayo450 - Sounds like you're somewhat confused:
APFSDS (Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) rounds utilize a depleted uranium "penetrator" which, due to kinetic energy, literally punches a hole through the armor because of its mass and high velocity. The penetrator, and the chunk of armor it displaced both shatter from the impact, and the shards ricochet throughout the interior of the vehicle, shredding the occupants and usually detonating any ammo that's not already loaded or stored in an armored magazine.
Reactive Armor does explode, and the purpose for this is to collapse the plasma jet that's generated by a shaped charge when it detonates on impact. Without the benefit of reactive armor, that plasma jet would burn through most armor plating, and the resulting molten spall splashes through the interior and detonates any ammo present and / or ignites any flammable materials (does a nasty job on any occupants, too).
big gun goes bang people die the end..
lol if i wasnt confused before i sure as hell am now
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crusaderop50 wrote:
i know that already.
Try reading carefully - the explaination was intended for nayo450 - who seemed unsure of the effects of SABOT rounds or the function of reactive armor.Stoned_Smurfz wrote:
lol if i wasnt confused before i sure as hell am now
i would like to be able to jump on top of an enemy tankk and drop a nade down the hatch, to kill the driver, and steal the tank.
In defense of this I would then state that unless their is someone in a button up position maning the MG there should be no way of doing this as the hatch should be closed and locked from the inside. I wouldn't mind seeing the ability to have the MG on top manned internally as they can be done within the M1A2.kontrolcrimson wrote:
i would like to be able to jump on top of an enemy tankk and drop a nade down the hatch, to kill the driver, and steal the tank.
"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." - Sinclair Lewis
even the little opening in the frount should be wide enough to shove a nade through..
with the mg on the tank the bodie should not dissapear for 15 sec but have the body to stay there, allowing nades to be dropped down.
with the mg on the tank the bodie should not dissapear for 15 sec but have the body to stay there, allowing nades to be dropped down.
Hehe saw too much 'Private Ryan', i guess?!kontrolcrimson wrote:
i would like to be able to jump on top of an enemy tankk and drop a nade down the hatch, to kill the driver, and steal the tank.
Don't get me wrong, but in a modern tank u would only kill the commandant and the 'gunner'.
Normally the driver lies in the body, secured with an extra hatch.
But i dont think somebody wants to 'nade' a modern tank.....
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T1mbrW0lf wrote:
APFSDS (Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) rounds utilize a depleted uranium "penetrator" which, due to kinetic energy, literally punches a hole through the armor because of its mass and high velocity. The penetrator, and the chunk of armor it displaced both shatter from the impact, and the shards ricochet throughout the interior of the vehicle, shredding the occupants and usually detonating any ammo that's not already loaded or stored in an armored magazine.
Reactive Armor does explode, and the purpose for this is to collapse the plasma jet that's generated by a shaped charge when it detonates on impact. Without the benefit of reactive armor, that plasma jet would burn through most armor plating, and the resulting molten spall splashes through the interior and detonates any ammo present and / or ignites any flammable materials (does a nasty job on any occupants, too).
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Reactive armor is used to defeat Heat rounds. SABOT rounds have no "plasma jet" because it does not use a shaped charge to focus a gas jet and blow the crap out of vehicles "ie a 15 ton turret flying 20ft in the air", and SABOT rounds are not significantly effected by reactive armor. Usually when a SABOT round impacts all you see a bright splash of sparks, then a fire starts in the vehicle it hits. This fire will quickly build "Usually burning diesel and hydrolic oil" and start setting off ammo magazines for secondary explosions that slowly rip the vehicle appart from the inside out. Flames 30ft in the air out the hatch while the vehicle buckles and shutters. It is really quite fun to watch.
And for the kid who wants to be a Tank Commander, there will be no more great tank battles in your life time. Those days are gone. Join the Navy or Air Force and get an MOS that will get you a good job when you get out of the military.
APFSDS (Armor Piercing, Fin Stabilised Discarding Sabot) rounds utilize a depleted uranium "penetrator" which, due to kinetic energy, literally punches a hole through the armor because of its mass and high velocity. The penetrator, and the chunk of armor it displaced both shatter from the impact, and the shards ricochet throughout the interior of the vehicle, shredding the occupants and usually detonating any ammo that's not already loaded or stored in an armored magazine.
Reactive Armor does explode, and the purpose for this is to collapse the plasma jet that's generated by a shaped charge when it detonates on impact. Without the benefit of reactive armor, that plasma jet would burn through most armor plating, and the resulting molten spall splashes through the interior and detonates any ammo present and / or ignites any flammable materials (does a nasty job on any occupants, too).
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Reactive armor is used to defeat Heat rounds. SABOT rounds have no "plasma jet" because it does not use a shaped charge to focus a gas jet and blow the crap out of vehicles "ie a 15 ton turret flying 20ft in the air", and SABOT rounds are not significantly effected by reactive armor. Usually when a SABOT round impacts all you see a bright splash of sparks, then a fire starts in the vehicle it hits. This fire will quickly build "Usually burning diesel and hydrolic oil" and start setting off ammo magazines for secondary explosions that slowly rip the vehicle appart from the inside out. Flames 30ft in the air out the hatch while the vehicle buckles and shutters. It is really quite fun to watch.
And for the kid who wants to be a Tank Commander, there will be no more great tank battles in your life time. Those days are gone. Join the Navy or Air Force and get an MOS that will get you a good job when you get out of the military.
What little opening are you talking about? Modern tanks are completely sealed (and overpressurized to operate in checmical/gas environments). They use specialize devices (akin to a periscope) for "seeing". Unless of course you are talking about the actual bore of the main gun. I woldn't be surprised if a regular hand grenade would have no effect if that was the case. But, the left over debris would probably be a huge problem when the next round was fired.kontrolcrimson wrote:
even the little opening in the frount should be wide enough to shove a nade through..
with the mg on the tank the bodie should not dissapear for 15 sec but have the body to stay there, allowing nades to be dropped down.
Major_Spittle, I think you misread T1mbrW0lf's post. He didn't say that Sabot rounds were shaped charges. He has two separate paragraphs - each stands on it's own.
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I've taken full health tanks out with another tank in 1 shot several different times. If you catch a enemy tank just right with a round it seems to result in a 1 shot wonder kill. As far as the sweet spot all I can tell you is that it is where the turret meets the chasis, and it usually happened when the turret was facing to the rear while the chasis was facing me. So play around with it and see what you come up with, but I can be done.
OIC- I stand corrected, sorry T1mbrW0lf....
It would be nice if you could blow the track apart with Nades and the tank would lose mobility until an engineer fixed it. I also wish that tanks and plane would not Respawn and you just got a limited number of them. Put like 4 of them at a home base where arty couldn't get em, then the team that acually used them properly and maintained them so they wouldn't blow up would get the advantage and the other team would have to send specialized squads to hunt them down. This would also be very useful for aircraft and jeeps so people wouldn't use them as kamakazees. Jet would also think twice about flying near bases with AA missles and this would force them hunt things in safer areas with no AA missles (ie they would leave home bases alone due to risk of losing a jet that won't respawn, unless the coordinate with troops on ground that are taking out the AA defenses).
It would be nice if you could blow the track apart with Nades and the tank would lose mobility until an engineer fixed it. I also wish that tanks and plane would not Respawn and you just got a limited number of them. Put like 4 of them at a home base where arty couldn't get em, then the team that acually used them properly and maintained them so they wouldn't blow up would get the advantage and the other team would have to send specialized squads to hunt them down. This would also be very useful for aircraft and jeeps so people wouldn't use them as kamakazees. Jet would also think twice about flying near bases with AA missles and this would force them hunt things in safer areas with no AA missles (ie they would leave home bases alone due to risk of losing a jet that won't respawn, unless the coordinate with troops on ground that are taking out the AA defenses).
Several weapons need to fire sabot, like the DAO-12 for instance, they make Sabot shot shells and it's for the anti-tank kit so it definately should. I don't know how you would be able to tell the difference.