So basically, it's a mental condition that causes them to make the choices they make???
Heh, everyone's a winnar in this poll!
Heh, everyone's a winnar in this poll!
Mental Condition | 57% | 57% - 89 | ||||
Choosen path | 37% | 37% - 57 | ||||
Other | 5% | 5% - 8 | ||||
Total: 154 |
No, the only "wrong" is governed by the legal system.FEOS wrote:
It is surely a mental condition, but it is also a choice. They choose to act upon urges that clearly are wrong, by any definition and in any society. That is basically what separates us from animals...the ability to make choices against our base instincts. If their base instincts involve violating a child, then they should be able to choose not to act on those instincts. Other, normal, people make those kinds of choices everyday. We can't excuse a pedophile from doing the same.
If a person it truly unable to control their urges, then they are criminally insane. Are you saying all pedos are criminally insane? The difference would be when the pedo acts on his/her urges, knowing full well that they are wrong. It's kind of like the old saying: crazy people don't wonder if they're crazy...sane people do. If they know what they are doing or want to do is wrong, and they do it anyway, then they are rational enough to accept the consequences. If they don't see anything wrong with what they've done, then they need to be locked up in a treatment facility because they are a nutjob.Defiance wrote:
No, the only "wrong" is governed by the legal system.FEOS wrote:
It is surely a mental condition, but it is also a choice. They choose to act upon urges that clearly are wrong, by any definition and in any society. That is basically what separates us from animals...the ability to make choices against our base instincts. If their base instincts involve violating a child, then they should be able to choose not to act on those instincts. Other, normal, people make those kinds of choices everyday. We can't excuse a pedophile from doing the same.
Is it wrong to, at the age of 30-40, have sex with a 16 year old girl? Most would say yes, that's what growing up in a typical human society leads us to believe. But really, what's so wrong? The only difference is numerical age, at that point both persons are sexually mature humans procreating to continue the species.
In wonderful old Rome, the age of marriage (read: sex) was 12, then the daughters were married off to older men. I'm certain that counts as a society, though it seems to contradict every society considering such an age difference "wrong."
I'm not advocating rape and child molestation, it's against the law. Doing so could, and probably would, put one behind bars. However, a 40 year old mans urge to screw a hot 17 year old isn't something they can help. It isn't something anyone can help.
The "wrong doing" comes when someone acts upon their thoughts. The thoughts are not wrong, they are one of the few instincts our race as and that is to make more of ourselves.
Have you ever wanted to kill someone? With such a violent urge happening so often, you'd think we'd be killing each other left and right (not exaggerating) but we don't because the normal person can differentiate between wanting to kill someone to outlet their anger and actually killing someone to end up on death row.
There is no choice in it, the only choice is in a healthy person's mind to accept the consequences of their actions. Naturally, people don't do that. The reason pedo's and murderers do what they do is because they are not healthy and it is purely a mental condition with no choice involved.
Yes, all pedos are criminally insane. No random act of violence is committed by a stable minded and consequence accepting person. There is some motive, they either want to masochistically cause harm to another human or want to cause harm to themselves. If that wasn't the motive, then it wasn't a very random act of violence. Either way, that person isn't very sane.FEOS wrote:
If a person it truly unable to control their urges, then they are criminally insane. Are you saying all pedos are criminally insane? The difference would be when the pedo acts on his/her urges, knowing full well that they are wrong. It's kind of like the old saying: crazy people don't wonder if they're crazy...sane people do. If they know what they are doing or want to do is wrong, and they do it anyway, then they are rational enough to accept the consequences. If they don't see anything wrong with what they've done, then they need to be locked up in a treatment facility because they are a nutjob.
Those are just the feelings. Anyone can feel attracted towards anything, but there's something more that causes them to take it further and act on those feelings.mikkel wrote:
A persistent attraction. It just happens to be towards kids instead of adults. People obsess over adults and children alike, and people rape adults and children alike. It's just attraction and moral disposition.
Rape isn't really "just the feelings". Rape, and the moral disposition, is that "something more" you're looking for.Defiance wrote:
Those are just the feelings. Anyone can feel attracted towards anything, but there's something more that causes them to take it further and act on those feelings.mikkel wrote:
A persistent attraction. It just happens to be towards kids instead of adults. People obsess over adults and children alike, and people rape adults and children alike. It's just attraction and moral disposition.
QFE! Sweet and to the point.ATG wrote:
There are enough people in the world that we need not allow room for baby rapers.
Put them down like rabid dogs.
But why waste tax money?Kmarion wrote:
Restraint and treatment is a choice.
Pedophilia is a sickness with no cure. It should be recognized it for what it is, then remove the bastards permanently from society as they are exposed.zeidmaan wrote:
I think its a mental condition that you are born with. And I agree that many of them just cant help them selves.
A big mistake is to just treat it is a choice and lock pedophiles away for x years. Societies need to accept it for what it is and actually try to solve the problem to protect the kids. No matter how many pedophilees you lock away, more of them will be born. And the ones you locked away will eventualy get out of prison and do it again. Its a problem that needs to be tackeled with brains not emotions. Our kids deserve it from us.
What, like HIV?lowing wrote:
Pedophilia is a sickness with no cure. It should be recognized it for what it is, then remove the bastards permanently from society as they are exposed.zeidmaan wrote:
I think its a mental condition that you are born with. And I agree that many of them just cant help them selves.
A big mistake is to just treat it is a choice and lock pedophiles away for x years. Societies need to accept it for what it is and actually try to solve the problem to protect the kids. No matter how many pedophilees you lock away, more of them will be born. And the ones you locked away will eventualy get out of prison and do it again. Its a problem that needs to be tackeled with brains not emotions. Our kids deserve it from us.
Training people out of sex crimes against children is no different to training people out of any other sex crime. It's exactly the same affliction, except that for normal rape the victims are older. I'm sure there are many more people who would like to sexually abuse children, but don't because they have some degree of social responsibility. They might be messed up people, but the have the self control not to act on their sick impulses - it is self control these sick fucks must learn, which can work.ATG wrote:
But why waste tax money?Kmarion wrote:
Restraint and treatment is a choice.
The one unalterable rule in life should be to protect the children.
The sex crimes against children seem to be the one crime you can't train somebody out of, therefor to those who commit them, they all must die.
Nope, last I checked, people with HIV were not removed from society, but hey, I have been gone awhile.mikkel wrote:
What, like HIV?lowing wrote:
Pedophilia is a sickness with no cure. It should be recognized it for what it is, then remove the bastards permanently from society as they are exposed.zeidmaan wrote:
I think its a mental condition that you are born with. And I agree that many of them just cant help them selves.
A big mistake is to just treat it is a choice and lock pedophiles away for x years. Societies need to accept it for what it is and actually try to solve the problem to protect the kids. No matter how many pedophilees you lock away, more of them will be born. And the ones you locked away will eventualy get out of prison and do it again. Its a problem that needs to be tackeled with brains not emotions. Our kids deserve it from us.
But isn't HIV a sickness with no cure and a potential to harm others, too? In fact, isn't it very likely that the number of people who die as a result of deliberate HIV infections is higher than the number of children who are sexually abused? Why shouldn't the same happen to HIV patients? It's exactly the same premise. HIV patients can either infect others or abstain for the rest of their lives. Paedophiles can either molest children or abstain from sex with minors.lowing wrote:
Nope, last I checked, people with HIV were not removed from society, but hey, I have been gone awhile.mikkel wrote:
What, like HIV?lowing wrote:
Pedophilia is a sickness with no cure. It should be recognized it for what it is, then remove the bastards permanently from society as they are exposed.
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No. It isn't.mikkel wrote:
isn't it very likely that the number of people who die from deliberate HIV infections is higher than the number of children who are sexually abused?
I'd say that it is, but since neither of us could produce any meaningful numbers, let's just get back to the point. Why one, but not the other?Bertster7 wrote:
No. It isn't.mikkel wrote:
isn't it very likely that the number of people who die from deliberate HIV infections is higher than the number of children who are sexually abused?
We don't know exactly how many kids are abused. Children are often embarrassed, scared, and threatened in order to keep them from reporting it.mikkel wrote:
But isn't HIV a sickness with no cure and a potential to harm others, too? In fact, isn't it very likely that the number of people who die as a result of deliberate HIV infections is higher than the number of children who are sexually abused? Why shouldn't the same happen to HIV patients? It's exactly the same premise. HIV patients can either infect others or abstain for the rest of their lives. Paedophiles can either molest children or abstain from sex with minors.lowing wrote:
Nope, last I checked, people with HIV were not removed from society, but hey, I have been gone awhile.mikkel wrote:
What, like HIV?
Child molesters by nature are a harm to others. They only are what they are because they've harmed others. An HIV patient is the opposite, more likely then not they are what they are because of an accident or someone hurting them (it's been a while since a deliberate HIV attack). If they get treatment, they can live and possibly (in one case) be pseudo cured. They can still have sex without doing harm, they just have to be very careful.mikkel wrote:
But isn't HIV a sickness with no cure and a potential to harm others, too? In fact, isn't it very likely that the number of people who die as a result of deliberate HIV infections is higher than the number of children who are sexually abused? Why shouldn't the same happen to HIV patients? It's exactly the same premise. HIV patients can either infect others or abstain for the rest of their lives. Paedophiles can either molest children or abstain from sex with minors.lowing wrote:
Nope, last I checked, people with HIV were not removed from society, but hey, I have been gone awhile.mikkel wrote:
What, like HIV?