BF2S Forums Rules of Engagment

If your against the privately rented ranked server rules then don't play on the privately rented ranked servers.

Last edited by teh adam (2006-02-09 14:52:48)

Slugger(S) wrote:

IndianScout wrote:

you people make me wonder if you actually read the whole thing or not...

dont you realise that the ROE is broken into 3 distinct parts??

"Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles."

is optional in clan ranked servers and not set in globally ranked servers..

What makes a clans ranked server be able to "modify" these so called ROE for ranked server, while every other ranked server can't "modify" this ROE. I mean that is just stupid, a public server is the same thing as a clan server because they are BOTH ranked. So what gives a clan server the ability to say "No Spawn Camping" or "No artillering the main base". This game was not mean't to be fair, for crying out loud this is a WAR game, not some little 5 year old's game where you take turns killing each other. This game is about winning and do what it takes to win. What I mean is if you want to go bomb the other teams runway to keep them from taking off, then by all means do it. If EA didn't want people to artillery the opposing teams main base, then they wouldn't of stuck it in the game.


Thats all I have to say for now,



Slugger

umm... first of all they arn't changing any rules. Just adding their own which is ok to some extent.

They also pay for them... again if you don't like the privately rented ranked server rules then don't join a
privately ranked server.

teh adam wrote:

Slugger(S) wrote:

IndianScout wrote:

you people make me wonder if you actually read the whole thing or not...

dont you realise that the ROE is broken into 3 distinct parts??

"Using C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles."

is optional in clan ranked servers and not set in globally ranked servers..

What makes a clans ranked server be able to "modify" these so called ROE for ranked server, while every other ranked server can't "modify" this ROE. I mean that is just stupid, a public server is the same thing as a clan server because they are BOTH ranked. So what gives a clan server the ability to say "No Spawn Camping" or "No artillering the main base". This game was not mean't to be fair, for crying out loud this is a WAR game, not some little 5 year old's game where you take turns killing each other. This game is about winning and do what it takes to win. What I mean is if you want to go bomb the other teams runway to keep them from taking off, then by all means do it. If EA didn't want people to artillery the opposing teams main base, then they wouldn't of stuck it in the game.


Thats all I have to say for now,



Slugger

umm... first of all they arn't changing any rules. Just adding their own which is ok to some extent.

They also pay for them... again if you don't like the privately rented ranked server rules then don't join a
privately ranked server.

What I was saying was why are they able to "add" rules if a public server isn't able to add them? I never said anything about having a problem about joining a clan server. I just have a problem with these rules for these clan servers.

Xaat wrote:

Cant switch teams for war college ribbon?

That’s the biggest pile of shit Ive ever heard, how the fuck else are you supposed to get it? Huh? Huh?

And how the hell can you tell if somebody has team-switched for it????

I think it’s a total joke all the people who were reset for doing this before it was even an official rule. What are you supposed to do if you have increased your win/loose ratio like this already? Now you have made this rule I guess you are fucked.

I’m sorry but I think you should reconsider this one, or change the requirements for this award.

I dont know about you.. But I got my War college ribbon by going to a 16 player server and STOMPING the crud out of the New Privates and Lance Corporals that tend to flock these servers.

Switching teams at the last second to gain a cheap Win just to get the war college is a cheap piece of trash, stat padding loser tactic.

Go earn your ribbon with honor and pride. If you are good you can win a 16 player map fairly quick. A lot of those places yell... Extend the game.. we want points!.. I tell them.. EXTREME DOMINATION!!! TOTAL ANNHILIATION!!!! I play to win. I play to kill. I dont play to sit around and get points by letting the last enemy find a flag and take it just to extend the game.

The rule is a good rule. Stat padders who abused the game in the blackhawk capture point days should all be reset if you ask me. You can look at someone's stats on bf2s.com and see those who've padded. those knife-revive padders are the easiest to see. But looking at a person with 550 points on a mashtur city game with 300 hours in a chopper... just the start of a big neon sign yelling PADDER!

You who bark at the swapping teams to get to your War college... I pity your padder existence.

Go Dominate a 16 player server like a real man! Nothing like taking a crack 6 man squad and dominating the USMC on a 16 player Karkand map. Teamspeak helps.

Slugger(S) wrote:

teh adam wrote:

Slugger(S) wrote:

What makes a clans ranked server be able to "modify" these so called ROE for ranked server, while every other ranked server can't "modify" this ROE. I mean that is just stupid, a public server is the same thing as a clan server because they are BOTH ranked. So what gives a clan server the ability to say "No Spawn Camping" or "No artillering the main base". This game was not mean't to be fair, for crying out loud this is a WAR game, not some little 5 year old's game where you take turns killing each other. This game is about winning and do what it takes to win. What I mean is if you want to go bomb the other teams runway to keep them from taking off, then by all means do it. If EA didn't want people to artillery the opposing teams main base, then they wouldn't of stuck it in the game.


Thats all I have to say for now,



Slugger

umm... first of all they arn't changing any rules. Just adding their own which is ok to some extent.

They also pay for them... again if you don't like the privately rented ranked server rules then don't join a
privately ranked server.

What I was saying was why are they able to "add" rules if a public server isn't able to add them? I never said anything about having a problem about joining a clan server. I just have a problem with these rules for these clan servers.

Because..... EA owns the Public servers which are run by a group of Admins that dont 'own' the servers. Ergo, EA stated in the ROe that public servers have to follow the ROE's Global rules and Public rules sections yet they cant add their oiwn as per section 3.

The Private servers out their have to follow the Global Rules and the Section 3 which allows them to make their own rules as long as the rules do not hinder or contradict the rules set forth in the 'Global Rules' section.

Kobrakai wrote:

RogerThast wrote:

no c4 on jeeps or other fast moving vehicles doesnt make sense.... if a tank gets taken out by it, its his fault he didnt see it while he was racking up 20 kills in a row, gives him more to worry about so he doesnt just focus on people dodging him bullets and shells


maybe they should make a class exclusively for mec called suicide bomber

C4 was designed to explode when put on the front of a jeep hitting a tank, its a feature of the game, just like the ability to switch teams.

3 LOCAL (PRIVATELY RENTED) RANKED SERVER RULES MODIFICATIONS

These are rules that are not enforced upon in EA’s public ranked servers but may be modified in privately rented ranked servers. These rules are decided by clan administrators for those servers and as long as they do not contradict any global rules enforced by EA are considered valid for those servers.

This would include but not limited to:

    * § Artillery fire or bombing runs on main (uncapturable) bases may be prohibited.
    * § Prolonged or sustained attacks on main (uncapturable) bases (i.e. spawncamping).
    * § Using the Transport Helicopters to take flags (Blackhawk whoring or flag hopping).
    * § Impersonating clan members.
   ----> * § USING C4 on jeeps, or other fast moving vehicles to take out other vehicles.
    * § Clans may change or customise rules, provided they don’t violate the above ROE rules.


i was saying are they or are they not going to let you use c4 on jeeps ???and if you cant that would not be good

IndianScout wrote:

you know personally I dont care if you like the rules or not,  if you cant live by them, go play checkers..

end of story..

The problem here, is that the "rules" are changing electronically, and do not reflect those agreed to at install time.  I purchased a game that was sold for its online play benefits including ranking.  Should the "rules" interfere with the benefits as advertised, this present a bit of a legal problem.

Now, Steve, I've been with you until this post. 
Checkers = Free.
BF2 = $50 usd.

No corporation can say to its customers, "screw you" and get away with it.
Sure, EA has managed to do it this long.  But it WILL catch up with them.

But then, I'm not concerned with your "personal" feelings, but what you state in an "official capacity".
Is your, and I'm paraphrasing your statement above, "screw you" personal or official?

Regarding legal matters, did anyone else have an agreement that listed "bf2rankedservers.com" as the "offically recognized source for agreement changes"?

This is like having the lender call and say "I'm sorry sir, but you are having sex in the laundry room.  While we didnt state in your mortgage paperwork that the laundry room was to be used for laundry only, you might be offending geeks who cant a piece in ANY room of their house, so from now on, you must have sex in the bedroom, and only in the missionary position, because not everyone is as physically fit as you, and it wouldnt be fair".

Might be a bad analogy, but it was fun to come up with.


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To the details:
1.2 Needs to be clarified as commercial solicitation.  I get more server spam from the "trusted partners" then
1.4 This requires specifics.  The specifics settings and or variences for ranked servers needs to laid out here.
1.6 Cant say that in 200+ hours I'v ever seen this.
1.7 How does this apply to the new packs being released this month?  If every ranked server runs EuroForces, then its FORCES all users to upgrade or not be able to play on ranked servers.
1.10 has this been a problem?  If so, you need to vet your admins a little better.
2.1 Um, heads up, its the morality police.  Got to be PC in the chats and in voice!  "Offensive" is such an easily abused criteria.
2.2 Hrm, see notes about 2.1
2.3 To prevent TKing, the engine needs to determine incidental and intentional TKs.  Since that wont be happening, I'd suggest that 1.4 include the requirement that ranked servers NOT have voting turned off.

Regarding the Clan Servers:
1. A Clan server admin should be considered abusive if he Kicks or bans a player for an infringment NOT specified on the login/information/loading screens.  I'm in the game, loading your server.  It is at THIS time I should be notified of additional restrictions on game play.  NOT refered to your clan web server.
2. C4 on Jeeps/vodnicks, tough.  It can be done in game, it occurs in real life, move along, and no reason to stop it.  It only makes armor whores angry.  It is a STRATEGY that is neither a glitch nor a hack.
3. Uncapables: I can't believe, that in a WAR game, this even comes up.

If a clan server is overly restrictive, so be it.  Most of the current ones like this are already sitting empty.  At $100+ a month, they wont be around long to complain about.

Lastly, dont wear your ancestry on your sleeve.  It makes it much too easy for everyone else to generalize us other natives as idiots.  I haven't acheived what I have now by playing the 52 deck race/discrimination/poor me cards.  And I don't want to be wrongly categorized that way either.

Last edited by 72Wolf- (2006-02-09 15:36:37)

..... adendum


i fucking now LOATHE the stats aspect of this game..

Its gone FUBAR

man this game is becomming so politically correct its insane.
its a damn game we all payed good money for to have fun, its not real life.
soon you will not be able to kill people because its againt the geneva convention
why the hell play it

jimbo21 wrote:

who is EA to tell us how we play our game that we all payed money for, on servers that somebody payed money for.

they own the rights to the game and run the ranking system if you play unranked you can do what ever you want you want your score to count you have to play by the rules.

[)r@ke wrote:

One more thought, on a slightly different note.

IndianScout, I submit the following to you:

IF the Rules Of Engagement which you have authored on the bf2rankedserverss.com website IS an official statement, sponsored and to be enforced by EA Games, then why is there no support shown (or yet to be found) on the EA Games Battlefield 2 section of their website??

I concur with all those previous posters calling for a more professional writing style, and reference those statements to the fact that IF this ROE were supported, let alone propagated, by EA, then it would take on a form more recognizable (such as a EULA, which we witnessed upon installation of EA's BF2 game).


While I support the notions and wishes held therein by your Rules Of Engagement, I think it would be wise to clarify just how EA is involved and how EA is going to manage to enforce said rules.  More so, if EA has decided as of late that these rules NEED to be implemented into their game, then why aren't they part of the announced and in-test v1.2 patch which EA intends to release to the public in the coming weeks?


To me (and I hope, to many others), these are questions which hold a high importance.  Can you answer these questions for we of the BF2S and Battlefield 2 communities at large?

to answer everyones questions,  if you were on the providers email lists.

http://www.ea.com/official/battlefield/ … _072105_02

seen this on EA's site,

as I have stated before were put forth by EA to Enforce the rules for Battlefield 2..


sorry I havent gotten back to everyone,  the wife and i went into the city yesterday (its 100 miles each way) and got caught in a blizzard and had to stay the night...

so if anyone has access to the providers email lists then you will understand..

if not,  I'm sorry..  but the ROE is very much official...

Indian

Last edited by IndianScout (2006-02-10 12:41:47)

like I stated, I missed alot of questioned cause we got snowed in, 

so if you will please post your questions,  I will be more than happy to answer them...