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2007-12-19 09:57:35
Cougar
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+1,962|7052|Dallas
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317447,00.html

So Mohammed is about to overtake Jack as the most popular baby name in the U.K.  However, how is this allowed?  I mean, naming your children Mohammed?  If you can't name a teddy bear Mohammed, then why can you name a kid Mohammed?

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?  It seems that you would want people to be able to recognize and or relate to Mohammed whenever seen (like Jesus for Christians, Buddha for Buddhists and so on) not make him hide is face and never be shown...

I find the whole Mohammed thing and the Muslim religion to be incredibly difficult and confusing, please explain.
2007-12-19 09:59:34
blademaster
I'm moving to Brazil
+2,075|6932

Cougar wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317447,00.html

So Mohammed is about to overtake Jack as the most popular baby name in the U.K.  However, how is this allowed?  I mean, naming your children Mohammed?  If you can't name a teddy bear Mohammed, then why can you name a kid Mohammed?

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?  It seems that you would want people to be able to recognize and or relate to Mohammed whenever seen (like Jesus for Christians, Buddha for Buddhists and so on) not make him hide is face and never be shown...

I find the whole Mohammed thing and the Muslim religion to be incredibly difficult and confusing, please explain.
they are very conservative, compared to the western world, so some of the things that fly here would not fly there.
2007-12-19 09:59:36
..teddy..jimmy
Member
+1,393|6937
They just want reasons to declare Jihad...

ouila.
2007-12-19 10:02:22
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7045|Argentina

Cougar wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317447,00.html

So Mohammed is about to overtake Jack as the most popular baby name in the U.K.  However, how is this allowed?  I mean, naming your children Mohammed?  If you can't name a teddy bear Mohammed, then why can you name a kid Mohammed?

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?  It seems that you would want people to be able to recognize and or relate to Mohammed whenever seen (like Jesus for Christians, Buddha for Buddhists and so on) not make him hide is face and never be shown...

I find the whole Mohammed thing and the Muslim religion to be incredibly difficult and confusing, please explain.
Maybe it's so used because it has more than 100 variants.  Therefore, it's like 100 names together.  Why Mohammed's face isn't shown I dunno.  Maybe he was an ugly mf and he could scare kids.
2007-12-19 10:09:46
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7049

Cougar wrote:

I find the whole Mohammed thing and the Muslim religion to be incredibly difficult and confusing, please explain.
QFE

I find it backasswards and primitive also.
2007-12-19 10:12:42
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
They also talk about not worshipping Idols and shit. Yet they're the ones that worship a giant box/city 5 times a day.

Then again all religions are hypocritical.
2007-12-19 10:19:21
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6888|132 and Bush

He ordered the slaughter of hundreds of innocents. I expect that the name Timothy will be popular in the US soon.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2007-12-19 10:21:37
David.P
Banned
+649|6561

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it's so used because it has more than 100 variants.  Therefore, it's like 100 names together.  Why Mohammed's face isn't shown I dunno.  Maybe he was an ugly mf and he could scare kids.
Be careful serge they just might declare a jihad on you for insulting the "profit $$$"
2007-12-19 10:22:47
G3|Genius
Pope of BF2s
+355|6913|Sea to globally-cooled sea
I don't understand the reverence they have for him if they're not allowed to have Idols, unless Mohammad is divine.  But he's not, not even they believe that.  To me, that is an incongruity.
2007-12-19 10:23:06
David.P
Banned
+649|6561

Mek-Izzle wrote:

They also talk about not worshipping Idols and shit. Yet they're the ones that worship a giant box/city 5 times a day.

Then again all religions are hypocritical.
Not buddhism or those cults of sex.
2007-12-19 10:23:18
jord
Member
+2,382|6965|The North, beyond the wall.
I wonder what the thought process is when choosing the name.

Mother-
"Hmm Fahim sounds nice, I think we should call him Fahim"

Father-
"I was leaning more towards Mohammed, then our son doesn't stand out"
2007-12-19 10:30:52
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6911|Birmingham, UK

Cougar wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,317447,00.html

So Mohammed is about to overtake Jack as the most popular baby name in the U.K.  However, how is this allowed?  I mean, naming your children Mohammed?  If you can't name a teddy bear Mohammed, then why can you name a kid Mohammed?

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?  It seems that you would want people to be able to recognize and or relate to Mohammed whenever seen (like Jesus for Christians, Buddha for Buddhists and so on) not make him hide is face and never be shown...

I find the whole Mohammed thing and the Muslim religion to be incredibly difficult and confusing, please explain.
Yeah, I know that this has been coming for a while - but it's still a stupid headline.
Hell, they actually even state that it includes all iterations of Muhammad (that being the most popular, actually, I believe), yet iterations of Jack are not included in that figure - seems like a stupid disparity to me, and thus makes this a statistical comparison nightmare full of idiocy and with a possible view to scaremonger.

But now that's out of the way, on to your questions!

However, how is this allowed?
Because people are actually allowed to name their children whatever they want, I do suppose.

I mean, naming your children Mohammed?
Do you mean that? And if you do, that's been perfectly acceptable for... well, for as long as that name's existed.

If you can't name a teddy bear Mohammed, then why can you name a kid Mohammed?
That was a very stupid reaction and if you actually bother to go and ask any Muslim about that, they'd say that was a ridiculous situation. Also, please take note that Muhammad was a name before Muhammad (p.b.u.h.) the prophet came to this Earth. Oh, and if one was a Shi'ah Muslim (~10% of Muslims) and didn't believe in the four 'rightly-guided khalifahs' but instead thought of 'Ali as the rightful first Imam, then Muhammad al-Mahdi would probably be your last Imam who disappeared under mysterious circumstances. Indeed, being called Muhammad is actually seen as a privilege and an honour.

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?
Same reason as Allah can never be depicted (and so calligraphy is used to decorate mosques instead of pictures of Allah) - that is, he is too great to be depicted and the human hand could not display his glory. In simple terms, it shows respect.


That's about it, really.
If you've ever got any more questions about Islam, don't hesitate to ask!

All the best,
Andy

EDIT: Spelling.

Last edited by TheDarkRaven (2007-12-19 10:31:09)

2007-12-19 10:45:36
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7052|Dallas

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?
Same reason as Allah can never be depicted (and so calligraphy is used to decorate mosques instead of pictures of Allah) - that is, he is too great to be depicted and the human hand could not display his glory. In simple terms, it shows respect.
I take it you are a Muslim, or at least, know some Muslims.


However, I still do not understand this whole "not showing his face" thing.


EDIT: 
Nevermind.  This will just start an argument.
2007-12-19 10:46:57
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7045|Argentina

David.P wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe it's so used because it has more than 100 variants.  Therefore, it's like 100 names together.  Why Mohammed's face isn't shown I dunno.  Maybe he was an ugly mf and he could scare kids.
Be careful serge they just might declare a jihad on you for insulting the "profit $$$"
Nah, I'm just another infidel to them.
2007-12-19 10:47:20
jord
Member
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Cougar wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?
Same reason as Allah can never be depicted (and so calligraphy is used to decorate mosques instead of pictures of Allah) - that is, he is too great to be depicted and the human hand could not display his glory. In simple terms, it shows respect.
I take it you are a Muslim, or at least, know some Muslims.


However, I still do not understand this whole "not showing his face" thing.


EDIT: 
Nevermind.  This will just start an argument.
Andy isn't a Muslim name.

Basically it's like he's too good for us mere Humans to draw.
2007-12-19 10:55:00
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6911|Birmingham, UK

jord wrote:

Cougar wrote:

TheDarkRaven wrote:

Also, why is his face not allowed to be shown...ever?
Same reason as Allah can never be depicted (and so calligraphy is used to decorate mosques instead of pictures of Allah) - that is, he is too great to be depicted and the human hand could not display his glory. In simple terms, it shows respect.
I take it you are a Muslim, or at least, know some Muslims.


However, I still do not understand this whole "not showing his face" thing.


EDIT: 
Nevermind.  This will just start an argument.
Andy isn't a Muslim name.

Basically it's like he's too good for us mere Humans to draw.
Thanks, jord - you've got it, too!

And I am not a Muslim, Cougar - never have been, and never will be. Indeed, my school is predominantly Muslim and I am studying Islam at GCSE and take a keen interest in the study of it since so many people are ignorant to it but still wish to damn it. So, I merely like to inform people on such things concerning Islam and a lot of other religions.

And you can't show his face because:
  • It's basically blasphemy to show his face
  • No-one actually knows what he looked like, so it would be disrespectful to make it up
  • It'd be disrespectful to show it anyway, in much the same way Allah can't be depicted


Still can't quite grasp it? - then I suggest you really should read up on the uses of calligraphy in Islam and crudely replace any mention of Allah with Muhammad.

~Andy
2007-12-19 11:23:57
Cougar
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TheDarkRaven wrote:

jord wrote:

Cougar wrote:


I take it you are a Muslim, or at least, know some Muslims.


However, I still do not understand this whole "not showing his face" thing.


EDIT: 
Nevermind.  This will just start an argument.
Andy isn't a Muslim name.

Basically it's like he's too good for us mere Humans to draw.
Thanks, jord - you've got it, too!

And I am not a Muslim, Cougar - never have been, and never will be. Indeed, my school is predominantly Muslim and I am studying Islam at GCSE and take a keen interest in the study of it since so many people are ignorant to it but still wish to damn it. So, I merely like to inform people on such things concerning Islam and a lot of other religions.

And you can't show his face because:
  • It's basically blasphemy to show his face
  • No-one actually knows what he looked like, so it would be disrespectful to make it up
  • It'd be disrespectful to show it anyway, in much the same way Allah can't be depicted


Still can't quite grasp it? - then I suggest you really should read up on the uses of calligraphy in Islam and crudely replace any mention of Allah with Muhammad.

~Andy
I've read a little bit on the backstory of Muhammed and personally......well.....not so much.

1st off, he apparently was visited in a cave by Gabriel and taught to read.  So...since an angel taught him how to read he is a prophet?  But he was a traveling merchant before that, so he must of known how to read a little but or at least be smart enough to learn.  Also, since he was also obviously a normal person in the beginning of his life, I don't see where all the stigma about him being to glorious to show his face business is all about either.  Maybe he was handsome or maybe ugly, thats one thing but to say he is too glorious to depict is a bit ....obnoxious sounding to me.

Next, all Muslims usually say Peace be unto him, after mentioning him, but he lead an army that slaughtered an entire tribe of people.  Not to mention all the wars since that have been carried out in his name.  Seems a bit hypocritical to me personally.  Then come the weird miracles about him splitting the moon in half which is entirely impossible and ludicrous to even consider to be true.

He doesn't want muslims to eat pork, see womens faces or his own, and they all have to go to HIS birthplace at least once in their life to kiss a rock that supposedly turned black because of everyones sins.  I'm sorry this is sheer lunacy.

It really sounds to me like this guy was a really, really good snake oil salesman.
2007-12-19 11:27:05
usmarine
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Cougar wrote:

It really sounds to me like this guy was a really, really good snake oil salesman.
Same as Jesus IMO.

Last edited by usmarine2005 (2007-12-19 11:27:23)

2007-12-19 11:28:45
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7052|Dallas

usmarine2005 wrote:

Cougar wrote:

It really sounds to me like this guy was a really, really good snake oil salesman.
Same as Jesus IMO.
No argument there.  I pretty much feel that if anyone comes out of a cave or carpenters house and starts declaring that they are the son of God, they probably aren't.  Ancient Jim Jones types if you ask me.
2007-12-19 11:32:44
Zukabazuka
Member
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I think there could be an other reason. He was wanted by people and then to get away he needed to focus people attention on something else. He was a merchant so he should known about reading but making a huge book about his life would indeed make people forget about him being criminal or something. Making people not draw his face would make it harder for soldier to think its him. Then he go on a huge crusade against other people, how good judgement is that anyway?

But that's what I think or maybe he was just so damn ugly.
2007-12-19 11:33:59
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7019|St. Andrews / Oslo

Mohammed isn't the same as Muhammed.
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2007-12-19 11:39:53
syndicat111
Member
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Only most popular name because all the muslim families use the same name, as oppose to the huge variety of english names...
*sigh* at that
2007-12-19 11:41:17
TheDarkRaven
ATG's First Disciple
+263|6911|Birmingham, UK

Cougar wrote:

I've read a little bit on the backstory of Muhammed and personally......well.....not so much.

1st off, he apparently was visited in a cave by Gabriel and taught to read.  So...since an angel taught him how to read he is a prophet?  But he was a traveling merchant before that, so he must of known how to read a little but or at least be smart enough to learn.  Also, since he was also obviously a normal person in the beginning of his life, I don't see where all the stigma about him being to glorious to show his face business is all about either.  Maybe he was handsome or maybe ugly, thats one thing but to say he is too glorious to depict is a bit ....obnoxious sounding to me.

Next, all Muslims usually say Peace be unto him, after mentioning him, but he lead an army that slaughtered an entire tribe of people.  Not to mention all the wars since that have been carried out in his name.  Seems a bit hypocritical to me personally.  Then come the weird miracles about him splitting the moon in half which is entirely impossible and ludicrous to even consider to be true.

He doesn't want muslims to eat pork, see womens faces or his own, and they all have to go to HIS birthplace at least once in their life to kiss a rock that supposedly turned black because of everyones sins.  I'm sorry this is sheer lunacy.

It really sounds to me like this guy was a really, really good snake oil salesman.
Oh, quite - I'm not saying Islam is right, or anything of the sort, but just that that is what Muslims think and believe.

I wonder why you have to be able to read when you're a salesman... it was all based on barter at the time, so I really don't see how he had to read. A normal beginning of his life (?) when his father died before he was born, his mother died when he was six and he lived with his grandmother (later to marry his employer, an older woman who was already widowed) - seems a bit... eclectic, to me.
Saying it's obnoxious, well... that seems a bit silly to me. All Abrahamic religions say things about their main prophet(s) that they won't tolerate anyone else to say about them and they try to make them special somehow - Judaism places Abraham and Moses above all else; Christianity places Jesus above all others; and this is Islam's way of making Muhammad seem greater.
And yes, everyone slaughtered everyone to survive (and in the name of their God[s]) at the time - does he sit there while Makkans trample all over them, be they Muslim or even Jews or Arabs under his protection? And wars have been carried out in Jesus' name so... what's the difference, really? It's a by-product of religion and human stupidity.
Those miracles? Simple - don't take them literally.
Pork 'banning' - from Abrahamic origins. The Qur'an never said that a woman shouldn't show her face, dammit... blame stupid corrupt Imams. They don't have to go to the Ka'bah (which, incidentally, is not his birthplace) - only if they are healthy and able to afford it. And it isn't just to kiss the Black Stone - hell, they don't even have to do that!
Yeah, he could've been a really good 'snake oil salesman', as you put it, but could not all supposed prophets?
2007-12-19 11:41:23
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6510|Escea

U never see his face, cos he's got a balaclava on

yeah i'll probs get flamed to death for this.
2007-12-19 11:42:05
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6908|London, England
If they taught religion as a History lesson rather than as a fictional story lesson, it'd have a lot less admirers. Religions, especially the Abrahamic ones, have very ugly histories. I'm sure most Europeans would disband Christianity if they all were taught how it was brought into Europe. Same thing goes for Persians and anyone else that was converted to Islam, including Arabs.

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