Kmar
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An editorial from the WSJ http://online.wsj.com/article/SB119786208643933077.html
Per the IRS
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Every Democrat running for President wants to raise taxes on "the rich," but they will have to do something miraculous to outtax President Bush. Based on the latest available tax data, no Administration in modern history has done more to pry tax revenue from the wealthy.

Last week the Congressional Budget Office joined the IRS in releasing tax numbers for 2005, and part of the news is that the richest 1% paid about 39% of all income taxes that year. The richest 5% paid a tad less than 60%, and the richest 10% paid 70%. These tax shares are all up substantially since 1990, and even somewhat since 2000. Meanwhile, Americans with an income below the median -- half of all households -- paid a mere 3% of all income taxes in 2005. The richest 1.3 million tax-filers -- those Americans with adjusted gross incomes of more than $365,000 in 2005 -- paid more income tax than all of the 66 million American tax filers below the median in income. Ten times more.

For the political left and most of the media, this means only that the rich are getting richer, so of course they're paying more taxes. And it is true that the top earners have increased their share of total income. Yet, as the nearby table shows, the rich showed more rapid gains in reported income shares in the 1990s than in the first half of this decade. The share of the richest 1% jumped to 20.8% of total income in 2000, from 14% in 1990, but increased only slightly to 21.2% in 2005. This makes it hard to pin their claim of "rising inequality" on the Bush tax cuts, though the income redistributionists are trying. By this measure, the Clinton years were far worse for "inequality."

Notably, however, the share of taxes paid by the top 1% has kept climbing this decade -- to 39.4% in 2005, from 37.4% in 2000. The share paid by the top 5% has increased even more rapidly. In other words, despite the tax reductions of 2001 and 2003, the rich saw their share of taxes paid rise at a faster rate than their share of income. How could this be?

One explanation is that the Bush tax cuts reduced the income tax liability of middle and lower income households by more proportionately than the rich. The average family of four with an income of $40,000 saw its income tax liability fall by about $2,052 a year from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

The IRS statistics also tell a more complicated economic story than the media claim. First, America continues to be a society of upward income mobility. Over the past decade, millions of Americans have joined the once highly exclusive club of six- and seven-figure earners. Some 304,000 Americans earned $1 million or more in annual income in 2005, compared to 110,000 in 1996 and 176,000 in 2000. Because there is no cap on the top income share, this increase in millionaires pushes the top income (and taxes paid) share higher. The number of millionaire households in net worth also increased to nine million in 2006, up from six million in 2001, according to TNS, a global market research firm.

Liberals decry this as proof of a new "gilded age." But we'd say these gains are a sign that more Americans are joining the ranks of the truly affluent. More than 13 million American households, or about one in 10, had an income of more than $100,000 a year in 2005. This is the kind of upward mobility that a dynamic society should want because it means that incomes aren't stagnant and opportunity continues to exist.

Keep in mind as well that the IRS only records the income that taxpayers report. Its data don't include income that the rich hide in tax shelters or otherwise defer. And there is evidence that lower tax rates since 1981 have caused the rich to declare more of what they earn. In 1980, when the top income tax rate was 70%, the richest 1% paid only 19% of all income taxes; now, with a top rate of 35%, they pay more than double that share. With lower rates and fewer tax loopholes after the 1986 reform, there is less incentive to shelter income to avoid tax.

The IRS figures are also misleading because they include income that can make many Americans rich for only a single year. In 2005, for example, taxpayers earned an estimated $600 billion in income from capital gains, which is reported on tax forms as part of adjustable gross income. But that might include the one-time gain from a middle-class senior couple that has lived modestly for decades but suddenly retires and sells the family business or home for $1 million or more. They may be "rich" in Hillary Clinton's definition of the term, but in fact they are benefiting in one tax year from a lifetime of hard work and thrift.

The amount of capital gains declared on tax forms has doubled since the tax rate was cut to 15% from 20% in 2003, which has also contributed to more Americans being "rich." Dividend income has also increased by at least 50% since that rate was cut to 15% from nearly 40% in 2003. So part of the income gains of the rich are simply a result of assets that have been converted into taxable income -- in part because of lower tax rates.

We hate to break up the media's egalitarian chorus with these details, but facts are facts. If Democrats really want to soak the rich, they'll keep tax rates where they are, or, better, lower them some more.
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usmarine
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Bout time a President does that.
max
Vela Incident
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Great more taxes

good thing a canton over here just introduced a 1.8% flat tax
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FEOS
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WSJ wrote:

We hate to break up the media's egalitarian chorus with these details, but facts are facts. If Democrats really want to soak the rich, they'll keep tax rates where they are, or, better, lower them some more.
That bit is interesting. I predict the following: The Dems will lower taxes and claim victory. They will be able to say the lowered taxes, yet still forward their socialist agenda of having the government redistribute privately-earned wealth as they see fit.
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PureFodder
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FEOS wrote:

WSJ wrote:

We hate to break up the media's egalitarian chorus with these details, but facts are facts. If Democrats really want to soak the rich, they'll keep tax rates where they are, or, better, lower them some more.
That bit is interesting. I predict the following: The Dems will lower taxes and claim victory. They will be able to say the lowered taxes, yet still forward their socialist agenda of having the government redistribute privately-earned wealth as they see fit.
As far as those numbers go, looking at the richest 5% between 1990 and 2005 the rich have simply gotten richer. They aren't paying more tax money because taxes have gone up for the rich. The increase in numbers has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anyones tax policy and everything to do with wealth disparity. All you can actually read from those numbers is that growth in the American economy is non-egalitarian. The system appears to heavily favour the rich.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

If the majority of tax revenue is coming from the top 5% of earners, how can you say the system favors the rich?
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PureFodder
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FEOS wrote:

If the majority of tax revenue is coming from the top 5% of earners, how can you say the system favors the rich?
Because despite this, the percentage of the country's earing that is concentrated in those 5% is ever increasing. If the system was equal across the board, as the country got richer, the poor and the rich would get richer at about the same rate. The top 5% would get richer, but have the same percentage of the natonal earnings (ie. the values for 1990 would be exactly the same as those for 2005). Money is being ever more concentrated into the hands of the rich is what those figures tell you, the only thing they say about tax rates, it that the current tax levels are allowing the rich to get richer far more quickly than the poor. If anything those figures indicate that the rich should be taxed more, not less.
sergeriver
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I don't know why but I don't trust the Treasury Department.

Tax Cuts Offer Most for Very Rich, Study Says.

NY Times wrote:

WASHINGTON, Jan. 7 — Families earning more than $1 million a year saw their federal tax rates drop more sharply than any group in the country as a result of President Bush’s tax cuts, according to a new Congressional study.

Skip to next paragraph The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, also shows that tax rates for middle-income earners edged up in 2004, the most recent year for which data was available, while rates for people at the very top continued to decline.

Based on an exhaustive analysis of tax records and census data, the study reinforced the sense that while Mr. Bush’s tax cuts reduced rates for people at every income level, they offered the biggest benefits by far to people at the very top — especially the top 1 percent of income earners.

Though tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years.


The study offers ammunition to supporters and opponents of Mr. Bush’s tax cuts, which are all but certain to touch off a battle between the president and the Democrats who just took control of Congress.

Democratic leaders have taken pains to avoid an immediate fight over the tax cuts, most of which are scheduled to expire at the end of 2010. But Democrats are looking for ways to increase revenue well before then, in part because they want to spend more on education and energy without increasing the deficit.

Economists and tax analysts have long known that the biggest dollar value of Mr. Bush’s tax cuts goes to people at the very top income levels. One reason is that two of his signature measures, tax cuts on investment income and a steady reduction of estate taxes, overwhelmingly benefit the wealthiest households.

But the Congressional study offers additional insight because it incorporates information about what people paid in 2004, the first year in which taxpayers could take full advantage of the cuts on stock dividends and capital gains.

The study estimates that the effective federal income tax rate, which excludes payroll taxes for Social Security and Medicare, declined modestly for people in the middle- and lower-income categories.

Families in the middle fifth of annual earnings, who had average incomes of $56,200 in 2004, saw their average effective tax rate edge down to 2.9 percent in 2004 from 5 percent in 2000. That translated to an average tax cut of $1,180 per household, but the tax rate actually increased slightly from 2003.

Tax cuts were much deeper, and affected far more money, for families in the highest income categories. Households in the top 1 percent of earnings, which had an average income of $1.25 million, saw their effective individual tax rates drop to 19.6 percent in 2004 from 24.2 percent in 2000. The rate cut was twice as deep as for middle-income families, and it translated to an average tax cut of almost $58,000.

In its report, the Congressional Budget Office estimated that the overall effective federal tax rate edged up to 20 percent in 2004, from 19.8 percent the year before.

But even with that increase, Americans faced lower tax rates than any time since 1979. If President Bush has his way, those rates could decline even more as the estate tax on inherited wealth is gradually phased out by the start of 2010.

Mr. Bush and his Republican allies in Congress want to permanently extend that tax cut and almost all of the others that Congress passed in his first term. The cost of doing that would be more than $1 trillion over the next decade, a cost that would hit the Treasury at the same time that the spending on old-age benefits for retiring baby boomers begins to soar.

The budget office offered little commentary on its new estimates, but many of its numbers spoke for themselves.

The report shows that a comparatively small number of very wealthy households account for a very big share of total tax payments, and their share increased in the first four years after Mr. Bush’s tax cuts.

The top 1 percent of income earners paid about 36.7 percent of federal income taxes and 25.3 percent of all federal taxes in 2004. The top 20 percent of income earners paid 67.1 percent of all federal taxes, up from 66.1 percent in 2000, according to the budget office.

By contrast, families in the bottom 40 percent of income earners, those with incomes below $36,300, typically paid no federal income tax and received money back from the government. That so-called negative income tax stemmed mainly from the earned-income tax credit, a program that benefits low-income parents who are employed.

Put another way: rich families were the undisputed winners from President Bush’s tax cuts, but people in the bottom half of the earnings scale were not paying much in taxes anyway.

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FEOS
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PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If the majority of tax revenue is coming from the top 5% of earners, how can you say the system favors the rich?
Because despite this, the percentage of the country's earing that is concentrated in those 5% is ever increasing. If the system was equal across the board, as the country got richer, the poor and the rich would get richer at about the same rate. The top 5% would get richer, but have the same percentage of the natonal earnings (ie. the values for 1990 would be exactly the same as those for 2005). Money is being ever more concentrated into the hands of the rich is what those figures tell you, the only thing they say about tax rates, it that the current tax levels are allowing the rich to get richer far more quickly than the poor. If anything those figures indicate that the rich should be taxed more, not less.
Equal opportunity does not equate to equal levels of success. That is left to the variances in a population.

As to the rich getting richer...money makes money. It's called interest income. Or the miracle of compounding interest. Whatever you want to call it, it is easier to keep a baseline of capital once you reach a certain level because of the economy of scale realized with interest payments on large deposits. There's nothing evil or nefarious about it. Basic economics.

Another reason why the rich get richer is that they have more income they can afford to invest. When the market does well (which it has, overall), their investments make them more money. Again, nothing evil or nefarious about it.

There is no malice of forethought to keep the poor people poor in this country, no more than there is an evil plot to keep the rich rich at the expense of the poor. It's just basic economic.

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san4
The Mas
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PureFodder wrote:

As far as those numbers go, looking at the richest 5% between 1990 and 2005 the rich have simply gotten richer. They aren't paying more tax money because taxes have gone up for the rich. The increase in numbers has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anyones tax policy and everything to do with wealth disparity. All you can actually read from those numbers is that growth in the American economy is non-egalitarian. The system appears to heavily favour the rich.
This is correct. Give the wealthiest people a greater share of all the income that is earned and the wealthiest people will pay a greater share of the overall income taxes paid.
PureFodder
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FEOS wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

FEOS wrote:

If the majority of tax revenue is coming from the top 5% of earners, how can you say the system favors the rich?
Because despite this, the percentage of the country's earing that is concentrated in those 5% is ever increasing. If the system was equal across the board, as the country got richer, the poor and the rich would get richer at about the same rate. The top 5% would get richer, but have the same percentage of the natonal earnings (ie. the values for 1990 would be exactly the same as those for 2005). Money is being ever more concentrated into the hands of the rich is what those figures tell you, the only thing they say about tax rates, it that the current tax levels are allowing the rich to get richer far more quickly than the poor. If anything those figures indicate that the rich should be taxed more, not less.
Equal opportunity does not equate to equal levels of success. That is left to the variances in a population.

As to the rich getting richer...money makes money. It's called interest income. Or the miracle of compounding interest. Whatever you want to call it, it is easier to keep a baseline of capital once you reach a certain level because of the economy of scale realized with interest payments on large deposits. There's nothing evil or nefarious about it. Basic economics.

Another reason why the rich get richer is that they have more income they can afford to invest. When the market does well (which it has, overall), their investments make them more money. Again, nothing evil or nefarious about it.

There is no malice of forethought to keep the poor people poor in this country, no more than there is an evil plot to keep the rich rich at the expense of the poor. It's just basic economic.
But you will accept that the increase in the amount that the rich are paying in tax is simply a result of the rich getting rich and absolutley nothing to do with the rich paying higher taxes. They are actually paying lower precentage taxes now. If your argument holds then the percentage of money that the top 5% earns should rise and rise forever without limit till they in effect earn all of the country's earnings. In reality although the rich can, should and will have a higher increase in total money earned, the percentage increase in their wealth should roughly match the percentage increase in wealth of the poor. The onlyreason for the spectacular increase in the wealth of the top 5% of American society above the increase of the rest of the nation is because the current system heavily favours them.

Put it another way, if the current trend continues then the top 5% will earn all of Americas earnings by 2060.

There's always in every society malice of forethought to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, it's simply the way societies have always run, either that or it's the single most unlikely coincidence ever.
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FEOS wrote:

Equal opportunity does not equate to equal levels of success. That is left to the variances in a population.

As to the rich getting richer...money makes money. It's called interest income. Or the miracle of compounding interest. Whatever you want to call it, it is easier to keep a baseline of capital once you reach a certain level because of the economy of scale realized with interest payments on large deposits. There's nothing evil or nefarious about it. Basic economics.

Another reason why the rich get richer is that they have more income they can afford to invest. When the market does well (which it has, overall), their investments make them more money. Again, nothing evil or nefarious about it.

There is no malice of forethought to keep the poor people poor in this country, no more than there is an evil plot to keep the rich rich at the expense of the poor. It's just basic economic.
The rich getting richer is not a problem. The poor getting poorer is a problem however. The whole nation should move forward together. I haven't read the article but I'll say this: if the rich are getting richer and the poor are not getting poorer then your system is ok, if the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer then your system is fucked. I have no idea what the stats for the poor are in the US but Latin America is a prime example of the 'rich getting richer' being terrible for society in general (when otherwise it's a good thing).
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7178|Argentina
Kmarion you can delete the thread because the opposite thing has happened.  Tax cuts for the rich were bigger than those for other groups, the wealthiest families paid a bigger share of total taxes. That is because their incomes have climbed far more rapidly, and the gap between rich and poor has widened in the last several years.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

PureFodder wrote:

But you will accept that the increase in the amount that the rich are paying in tax is simply a result of the rich getting rich and absolutley nothing to do with the rich paying higher taxes. They are actually paying lower precentage taxes now. If your argument holds then the percentage of money that the top 5% earns should rise and rise forever without limit till they in effect earn all of the country's earnings. In reality although the rich can, should and will have a higher increase in total money earned, the percentage increase in their wealth should roughly match the percentage increase in wealth of the poor. The onlyreason for the spectacular increase in the wealth of the top 5% of American society above the increase of the rest of the nation is because the current system heavily favours them.

Put it another way, if the current trend continues then the top 5% will earn all of Americas earnings by 2060.

There's always in every society malice of forethought to keep the rich rich and the poor poor, it's simply the way societies have always run, either that or it's the single most unlikely coincidence ever.
I'm not implying that it's an either-or situation. It's not like there is a finite pot of money from which everyone draws, so people getting richer does not automatically mean someone else is getting poorer. The people included in the top 5% of wage earners will change from year to year, and the threshold that defines the top 5% will likely increase from year to year.

The top 5% will NEVER earn all of America's (or any other country's) earnings...EVER. Otherwise, they wouldn't be the top 5%...they would be the top 100%. You're forgetting about the other 95% of wage earners in the study. It would be more appropriate to say that if the current trend continues, the top 5% of America's earners will pay 100% of the taxes collected by 2060...but that would still be wrong.

I need to dig into the data a bit to see if they are including those wage earners who pay ZERO taxes in their percentages. Their inclusion/exclusion would alter the overall numbers somewhat.

I still don't see the issue: 5% of the wage earners in the US provide 60% of the tax revenue. But they still aren't taxed enough? How much of the tax revenue should that 5% provide for it to finally be considered "fair" to you people?
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PureFodder
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The reason that the top 5% provide 60% of the US taxes is because the top 5% are so stupidly rich, not because their tex rates are so overwhelming high. They are in fact dropping. As has been said the reason the rich are paying the highest percentage of taxes ever is because the rich have never been richer in comparison to the rest of the population.

A 30% increase in the percentage of the total earnings earnt by the top 5% within 15 years is unprecidented. It's a completely insane increase in wealth. When Bush decides to give tax cuts to the very people that most utterly obviously don't need it, you really have to start asking questions.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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You imply that not everyone got tax cuts, which is not the case. The tax cuts were across the board, both rich and poor...and middle class.

You can thank the stock market for the increase in wealth over the past 15 years...still don't see the problem.
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CameronPoe
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One must remember that tax cuts boost inflation, which is more keenly felt by those at the bottom of the ladder as compared against those at the top.
SharkyMcshark
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CameronPoe wrote:

One must remember that tax cuts boost inflation, which is more keenly felt by those at the bottom of the ladder as compared against those at the top.
Exactly, especially in a country where the wealth is distributed as unevenly as in America (high Gini coefficient/whacked out Lorenz Curve for the lose).
Dersmikner
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Taxes are my sore subject. Unless you own a moderately successful business in the United States you have no idea what kind of ridiculous taxes we are being charged. I actually get taxed at my office on revenue I could have collected but wasn't paid. Yeah. I give Joe Blow an item on credit, he stiffs me, I pay a franchise tax based on the revenue potential. Accrual accounting on items for which I was never paid. Fuck me, the more I say it the dumber it sounds. I paid more in taxes last year than I used to make. It's nauseating. And worse, I get fewer services from the government because I make more money... the folks who pay no taxes get all sorts of shit. Food, subsidized rent, free healthcare, you name it... Me, I get shit other than police, the military, and roads (most of which are going to tolls anyway). Fuck taxes.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6832|'Murka

Let's not forget the death tax: Collecting taxes multiple times on the same pot of money. FTL.
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Kmar
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sergeriver wrote:

I don't know why but I don't trust the Treasury Department.
Do realize you quoted an article that used the same exact source for the stats (The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, )? Yours was just older.

san4 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

As far as those numbers go, looking at the richest 5% between 1990 and 2005 the rich have simply gotten richer. They aren't paying more tax money because taxes have gone up for the rich. The increase in numbers has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anyones tax policy and everything to do with wealth disparity. All you can actually read from those numbers is that growth in the American economy is non-egalitarian. The system appears to heavily favour the rich.
This is correct. Give the wealthiest people a greater share of all the income that is earned and the wealthiest people will pay a greater share of the overall income taxes paid.
Did you skip half the article? It addressed this theory. The systems show that we have "upward mobility" in our society. If it only favored the rich, and the poor and middle class were getting hammered with the tax burden there wouldn't be so many people leaving the lower classes joining the higher ranks.
For the political left and most of the media, this means only that the rich are getting richer, so of course they're paying more taxes. And it is true that the top earners have increased their share of total income. Yet, as the nearby table shows, the rich showed more rapid gains in reported income shares in the 1990s than in the first half of this decade. The share of the richest 1% jumped to 20.8% of total income in 2000, from 14% in 1990, but increased only slightly to 21.2% in 2005. This makes it hard to pin their claim of "rising inequality" on the Bush tax cuts, though the income redistributionists are trying. By this measure, the Clinton years were far worse for "inequality."
One explanation is that the Bush tax cuts reduced the income tax liability of middle and lower income households by more proportionately than the rich. The average family of four with an income of $40,000 saw its income tax liability fall by about $2,052 a year from the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts.

CameronPoe wrote:

One must remember that tax cuts boost inflation, which is more keenly felt by those at the bottom of the ladder as compared against those at the top.
Unemployment has been low (4.7% in Nov 2007) and inflation has been in check for a long time now. That it why Americans PPP (Purchasing Power) has remained so high.
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Jenspm
penis
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meh, Dad just got his income tax bumped to 53%, giving him a total tax of 72% of his yearly income.

Meaning he only gets money for what he works Thrusday and Friday evening.

gg.

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
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Jenspm wrote:

meh, Dad just got his income tax bumped to 53%, giving him a total tax of 72% of his yearly income.

Meaning he only gets money for what he works Thrusday and Friday evening.

gg.
Wow
Xbone Stormsurgezz
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well, at least in your country the people with more money is the one that pays more taxes, not like here in mexico, the richest guys always find a way to pay less or none taxes...
PureFodder
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Kmarion wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

I don't know why but I don't trust the Treasury Department.
Do realize you quoted an article that used the same exact source for the stats (The study, by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, )? Yours was just older.

san4 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

As far as those numbers go, looking at the richest 5% between 1990 and 2005 the rich have simply gotten richer. They aren't paying more tax money because taxes have gone up for the rich. The increase in numbers has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with anyones tax policy and everything to do with wealth disparity. All you can actually read from those numbers is that growth in the American economy is non-egalitarian. The system appears to heavily favour the rich.
This is correct. Give the wealthiest people a greater share of all the income that is earned and the wealthiest people will pay a greater share of the overall income taxes paid.
Did you skip half the article? It addressed this theory. The systems show that we have "upward mobility" in our society. If it only favored the rich, and the poor and middle class were getting hammered with the tax burden there wouldn't be so many people leaving the lower classes joining the higher ranks.
The moderately rich can become the very rich, let's all break out the champagne. Unfotunately the rest of society are getting poorer.
Over the Bush years there has been a 2.8% drop in the median wage. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer on the back of a growing economy.
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