Two students shot after getting off bus

2007-12-17 20:12:39

#151

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6801|132 and Bush

usmarine2005 wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
Haven't gotten there yet. I never payed attention to this site until now. As a matter of fact, he is wrong for using them also. I think this site and wiki should be banned from any debate IMO.
For getting basic trends it is fine. In developed nations it won't be so inaccurate to dismiss the point I am making.
Ya but people use them like they are gospel and it annoys me that's all.

Na.. wikipedia is the gospel dontyano?

I love how this thread got to this point when I specifically said.

Kmarion wrote:
In fact I have nothing but props for the Aussies . Most of the regulars here know that.

DrunkFace mistook the rhetoric I was using when talking to serge about nation bashing. Right about here.. then the snowball effect.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-12-17 20:19:14

#152

DrunkFace: Germans did 911; +427|6881|Disaster Free Zone

Kmarion wrote:
It doesn't get much more ironic than this

http://i8.tinypic.com/86i0lee.jpg

Australia isn't even on the first chart.

FFS, at least arm your women . What the hell?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r … per-capita

Here's some data from the ABS (Australian Bureau of Statistics).

There were 7,855,600 households in Australia in April 2005. In the 12 months prior to the survey it was estimated that:

* 259,800 (3.3%) households were victims of at least one break-in to their home, garage or shed
* 205,400 (2.6%) households had at least one attempted break-in
* 427,100 (5.4%) households overall were victims of either a break-in or an attempted break-in
* 74,800 (1.0%) households had at least one motor vehicle stolen.

In total, 488,200 households were victims of one or more of these selected household crimes, equating to an overall household victimisation prevalence rate of 6.2%.

Much lower then your 30%

As for the 'Rape' victims, read this if you really care as I can't be bothered reading 104 pages. But I'm pretty sure (as per what USM said) the data includes all reported incidents of sexual assault (physical or verbal) not convicted incidents of rape.

Last edited by DrunkFace (2007-12-17 20:19:33)

2007-12-17 20:25:56

#153

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6801|132 and Bush

DrunkFace wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
It doesn't get much more ironic than this

http://i8.tinypic.com/86i0lee.jpg

Australia isn't even on the first chart.

FFS, at least arm your women . What the hell?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r … per-capita
Here's some data from the ABS (Australian Bureau of Statistics).

There were 7,855,600 households in Australia in April 2005. In the 12 months prior to the survey it was estimated that:

* 259,800 (3.3%) households were victims of at least one break-in to their home, garage or shed
* 205,400 (2.6%) households had at least one attempted break-in
* 427,100 (5.4%) households overall were victims of either a break-in or an attempted break-in
* 74,800 (1.0%) households had at least one motor vehicle stolen.

In total, 488,200 households were victims of one or more of these selected household crimes, equating to an overall household victimisation prevalence rate of 6.2%.
Much lower then your 30%

As for the 'Rape' victims, read this if you really care as I can't be bothered reading 104 pages. But I'm pretty sure (as per what USM said) the data includes all reported incidents of sexual assault (physical or verbal) not convicted incidents of rape.

I'll read it when I get back. I'm going for a walk.. unarmed.

Good discussion btw.. at first i was all like:

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Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-12-18 02:06:27

#154

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6821|London, England

Here's the problem. It's the Society not the guns. You can't ban guns in the US because it's part of their rights, and you can't ban guns in the US as they're so widespread, it's logistically impossible now. When they made the laws in the 18th Century, they didn't forsee US society going down the drain as it has.

Just have to suck it up and hope you don't get shot by a madman.

2007-12-18 02:29:24

#155

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6349|'straya

Kmarion wrote:
DrunkFace wrote:
Kmarion wrote:

And what of all your other crime. You know the victims that were left defenseless?

these guys.. http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=64244
Notice how most of those crimes don't involve a 'victim' but is just theft of property? In which case having a gun to protect your self would not achieve anything.

Total Crimes per capita
Assualts per Capita
Murders per Capita
Robberies per Capita

All higher in the US. How come your guns didn't stop any of this?
It doesn't get much more ironic than this

http://i8.tinypic.com/86i0lee.jpg

Australia isn't even on the first chart.

FFS, at least arm your women . What the hell?
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r … per-capita

are u aware of the massive problem we have with aboriginal girls being raped/taken advantage of... also i know of similar problems in south africa... 2 countries in the top 3...

might explain something.

but im not just trying to defend my countries values etc... but just stating there may be factors that simple stats do not show.

2007-12-18 02:47:31

#156

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6875|Canberra, AUS

How the hell did this topic become about Australian crime stats...?

All I know is that no-one I know owns a gun and certainly doesn't need one.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-12-18 02:51:17

#157

sergeriver: Cowboy from Hell; +1,928|6958|Argentina

Spark wrote:
How the hell did this topic become about Australian crime stats...?

All I know is that no-one I know owns a gun and certainly doesn't need one.

That's how this forum works. You mention other people's country and they bash yours.

2007-12-18 02:55:18

#158

djphetal: Go Ducks.; +346|6536|Oregon

whoever shot them is a sick fucker and deserves to die.
edit: I'm feeling far too peaceful for that.
whoever shot them is a sick fucker and needs help.
edit2: And I mean psychological help. Not help with his aim or anything like that. Just to clarify.

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2007-12-18 03:20:05

#159

Hope_is_lost117: Psy squad; +49|6196|Belgium

djphetal wrote:
whoever shot them is a sick fucker and deserves to die.
edit: I'm feeling far too peaceful for that.
whoever shot them is a sick fucker and needs help.
edit2: And I mean psychological help. Not help with his aim or anything like that. Just to clarify.

Nice save.
To bad there isn't a mind control device for all the people that need psychological help.... [/sarcasm]

2007-12-18 03:33:00

#160

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,053|6972|PNW

sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

Do you really think it matters? There are so many legal guns, that you can bet there are a lot of illegal too.
How many illegal guns and pocket rebellions do you suppose there would be if legal ones were abolished?
A lot less, because if you are a delinquent and there are no armed civilians out there, you don't need to carry a gun.

Every single gun owner I've talked to said that they would carry illegally if it came down to a ban, so I'm afraid there would be armed civilians. The government would just have a harder time tracking it.

2007-12-18 05:56:32

#161

Spark: liquid fluoride thorium reactor; +874|6875|Canberra, AUS

unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:

How many illegal guns and pocket rebellions do you suppose there would be if legal ones were abolished?
A lot less, because if you are a delinquent and there are no armed civilians out there, you don't need to carry a gun.
Every single gun owner I've talked to said that they would carry illegally if it came down to a ban, so I'm afraid there would be armed civilians. The government would just have a harder time tracking it.

That comes to the very culture of the society. The society has become so used to guns that an attempt to take them away is met with extreme distaste.

The reverse is also true.

The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
^{~ Richard Feynman}

2007-12-18 06:45:34

#162

Cybargs: Moderated; +2,285|6916

Spark wrote:
unnamednewbie13 wrote:
sergeriver wrote:

A lot less, because if you are a delinquent and there are no armed civilians out there, you don't need to carry a gun.
Every single gun owner I've talked to said that they would carry illegally if it came down to a ban, so I'm afraid there would be armed civilians. The government would just have a harder time tracking it.
That comes to the very culture of the society. The society has become so used to guns that an attempt to take them away is met with extreme distaste.

The reverse is also true.

It's pretty much like telling Iran to remove Sharia law.

Guns definently make it easier for a person to kill, but wouldn't these kids have been stabbed anyways if it had comes to that? Every country has it's own crime problem, be it stabbings in Australia or shootings in the USA. Removal of such tools would be harder for the attacker to be successful. But what people must understand is that there are already so many guns in the USA, it's smarter to keep people armed. Take for example, your at a shop and the stores getting robbed. One in two people are carrying pistols. Do you think the robber would even try to rob that store knowing there are 50% of people carrying guns? I think not.

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2007-12-18 06:50:51

#163

suomalainen_äijä: Member; +64|6366

things are getting more crazy year after year. I miss the good old times

2007-12-18 06:57:20

#164

RDMC: Enemy Wheelbarrow Spotted..!!; +736|6765|Area 51

Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?

2007-12-18 07:04:27

#165

Nintendogamer: Member; +72|6787|Chelmsford, UK

Kmarion wrote:
I was way off.. 3 miles

http://i6.tinypic.com/6nuwpw1.jpg

thats still damn close.

2007-12-18 09:26:28

#166

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6962

RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?

lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.

2007-12-18 09:55:12

#167

PZmohax01: Banned; +13|6178|St.Petersburg, Russia

I hear about accidents (or crimes?) like this quite often. Mainly from the USA, wonder is it just guns or something else. I imagine that USA is not a horrible country to live in that children should kill each other. At least in Russian schools they just beat each other from time to time

usmarine2005, I'm afraid saying this you are approaching "beyond retarded" category yourself

2007-12-18 09:59:58

#168

suomalainen_äijä: Member; +64|6366

usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.

why don't you Americans hate guns instead of us Europeans?

2007-12-18 10:01:49

#169

PZmohax01: Banned; +13|6178|St.Petersburg, Russia

suomalainen_äijä wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.
why don't you Americans hate guns instead of us Europeans?

+1

P.s. Hyvaa paiva!

2007-12-18 11:20:06

#170

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6962

suomalainen_äijä wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.
why don't you Americans hate guns instead of us Europeans?

I don't own a gun. And the majority of the people I know do not own guns, family included. So, I will stereotype you euroweenies like you stereotype us. kthxrubi

2007-12-18 17:21:56

#171

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6801|132 and Bush

usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.

Of course, Europe will start complaining, and Europe's bad mouthing of America gives comfort to our enemies. I mean, those guys values are so messed up they think calling someone a "cowboy" is an insult.

..lol

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-12-18 22:37:59

#172

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|6801|132 and Bush

Two of them have been arrested.. http://baynews9.com/content/36/2007/12/ … n+shooting

The actual shooter is on the run, but they have identified who it is.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2007-12-18 23:11:16

#173

Little BaBy JESUS: m8; +394|6349|'straya

that guy needs serious help... a bullet would suffice

but just help i think..

2007-12-19 04:49:19

#174

SharkyMcshark: I'll take two; +132|6986|Perth, Western Australia

usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.

So... still not answering the question?

2007-12-19 09:44:49

#175

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6962

SharkyMcshark wrote:
usmarine2005 wrote:
RDMC wrote:
Tell me, how many more students need to get killed before you cowboys wake up and realize that strict guns laws are going to be needed?
lol...cowboys. Man you foreigners are beyond retarded sometimes.
So... still not answering the question?

I did. Read the thread. So shut the hell up and read first.

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