BF2S Forums US - Mexico Border - Plans for enforcement

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here..like I normally do before it breaks.. and suggest the "action vs. reaction" principle as a means to prevent attacks.  What exactly drives someone to leave their homeland, make solemn oaths, make a suicide video, go through extensive training/planning, go under cover in a strange new land you hate, do your job and lose your life?  WHAT IS IT?  What causes someone to do that?

Applying the action vs. reaction principle suggests we stop giving cause to the hate.  It's plain and simple.  As long as we do the things we're doing in their lands, they will exact revenge in our lands..doesn't matter who's president, doesn't matter how many bombs we have, doesn't matter how big our coalition of the willing is, doesn't matter if we have nukes.  It will simply continue to happen, and we'll continue to feed their cause.  If we stop giving them cause, guess what?  We won't need to live in fear.  We won't need to worry about needless death as much.  We might even be able to curb our defense spending and take care of our own country.

Unfortunately NONE of our politicians, with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich, understand this simple concept.  Our greed is causing our demise.

Kind of dreamy today, huh?

And what about the residual hate in the region?  Unfortunately its there and won't be going away anytime soon.

It's our fault they have cause to seek to impliment Sharia law world wide.
pfft.

Braddock wrote:

What you're saying makes basic common sense. For example how many terrorist attacks have Switzerland suffered? Not many last time I counted.

This does not mean the US has to let its guard down. Stop the selfish meddling in other countries affairs and concentrate on domestic defence.

The terrorists attack anywhere, they did it here when they bombed the Israel embassy and the Amia building killing more than 100 people.  And we didn't do anything to bother them at all.  While I agree that meddling in other countries affairs helps, you can't say you are safe just coz you don't.

We build Machine Gun Nests at 20 yard intervals with overlapping lanes of fire. We put mines across the border (chart their positions) and put signs that say "ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK" in English and Spanish (Canadians are harmless...I think...). That should solve it We're rich enough to do that, and have enough surplus equipment to make it happen. BUT, everyone will start complaining, even the AMERICANS who asked for a GOOD solution...Oh well... Anyways, ground radar is another possible solution to a long problem; everyone wants to come to the United States for job oppertunities (so much for everyone hates America...). If everyone working on the problem came together and came up with one solution instead of everyone creating their own, we might actually USE their final product.

Braddock wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Braddock wrote:

What you're saying makes basic common sense. For example how many terrorist attacks have Switzerland suffered? Not many last time I counted.

This does not mean the US has to let its guard down. Stop the selfish meddling in other countries affairs and concentrate on domestic defence.

The terrorists attack anywhere, they did it here when they bombed the Israel embassy and the Amia building killing more than 100 people.  And we didn't do anything to bother them at all.  While I agree that meddling in other countries affairs helps, you can't say you are safe just coz you don't.

Firstly they would probably argue that the Israeli embassy was property of Israel and not Argentina - though that doesn't even nearly justify it. Secondly my argument regarding increased emphasis on domestic security would help tackle this kind of occurrence. Imagine the might of the US army completely devoted to protecting the American land itself, they'd be virtually indestructible ...and could not be blamed for meddling around the world to boot.

We both agree with that, I just pointed that your statement about Switzerland being safe was wrong.

Pubic wrote:

Braddock wrote:

On the point of people wishing to force Shari'ah law I must ask you ATG, how is it different from imposing democracy on an Iraqi State that seemed better off with their own system of Government (no matter how strange it may seem to us)?

Democracy brings greater freedom than sharia.

Imposed Democracy isn't freedom.

DBBrinson1 wrote:

IRONCHEF wrote:

I'm gonna go out on a limb here..like I normally do before it breaks.. and suggest the "action vs. reaction" principle as a means to prevent attacks.  What exactly drives someone to leave their homeland, make solemn oaths, make a suicide video, go through extensive training/planning, go under cover in a strange new land you hate, do your job and lose your life?  WHAT IS IT?  What causes someone to do that?

Applying the action vs. reaction principle suggests we stop giving cause to the hate.  It's plain and simple.  As long as we do the things we're doing in their lands, they will exact revenge in our lands..doesn't matter who's president, doesn't matter how many bombs we have, doesn't matter how big our coalition of the willing is, doesn't matter if we have nukes.  It will simply continue to happen, and we'll continue to feed their cause.  If we stop giving them cause, guess what?  We won't need to live in fear.  We won't need to worry about needless death as much.  We might even be able to curb our defense spending and take care of our own country.

Unfortunately NONE of our politicians, with the possible exception of Dennis Kucinich, understand this simple concept.  Our greed is causing our demise.

I don't buy it.  We weren't doing shit at the time to them to cause 9/11.  These sick fucks want us all dead.  Granted other countries complacent to the jihads' cause aren't that high on the "Countries to attack today" list, but don't kid yourself -they are on that list somewhere.  Who do you think they'd attack if the big bad USA wasn't around?

Apparently we were, and have been.  Osama bin Laden has even said that his main beef is that Saudi Arabia let our troops on their soil and that alone gave him cause for warfare on us.  We've had generations and generations of presidents and representatives cramming our foreign policy down their throats...mostly based on oil, and because we helped Israel after ww2.  '93, 2000, and 911 were just manifestations of them reaching their boiling points from the looks of things.  We're invading their world, we're westernizing their countries and they have every right to hate us.  Just as we would object to sharia law here, they object to mcdonalds, democracy, and term limits.  They have some very, very righteous principles they live in their faith just as we do in ours..when those are threatened...it's easy to take up arms (IE., Jihadists and Baptists).

If I lived over there and lived their culture not knowing any other culture, and I saw this greedy, rich, powerful, porn infested bully wanting to make military bases in my country, and screwing our government diplomatically with hypocritical sanctions because our civil rights are different than theirs, and the underlying reasoning for this meddling on the other side of the world was for our oil....It'd be enough to not just defend but to pursue them in their home...  Well, this is what some extremists have done and it worked obviously.  They hit our financial capital, watched and laughed as our leaders and our media stirred us up into an unnecesary frenzy of fear and hate..they're laughing as we further divide ourselves and doubt ourselves, and as they watch us implode in a consitutional shredding.    Imagine if there were random truck bombings.  No US port can scan container contents.  No shopping mall can inspect all backpacks.  No highway patrol can see the contents of explosive filled rental vans on bridges. 

Not to justify ANY of their actions, but to put myself in their shoes..it's not just some group of psychos just trying to pick a fight.  Not sure why everyone thinks that...well, it's easy to see how people think that given the media coverage.  But if you watch foreign media..they get the right picture.

I support anything that makes our borders more secure, whether it be ground radar, a wall, or a 2,000 mile moat guarded by the black knight.  The talking has to end and the building has to begin.