Poll

Do You Support The Death Penalty?

Yes - Kill 'em All!54%54% - 72
No - Put Them In Jail!45%45% - 59
Total: 131
KEN-JENNINGS
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Bertster7 wrote:

Orrish wrote:

lets simplify this for a second, we should put the killers in a pit with no light for the rest of there lives and make them eat stale bread and water.
for those who speed and steal, regular jail is for them.  they take someones life away we should take away their's but not to kill them just to let them rot.
That sounds good to me.
Not to me. 

Killing someone is extremely horrible, in fact I think anyone who commits murder is insane albeit maybe temporarily.  However, I would only advocate something to that effect (what you are describing) for premeditated murder.  I don't support life sentences for some murderers, just like I support the death penalty for some murderers.

But that's just me.
RedTwizzler
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CameronPoe wrote:

No, because of the possibility that someone innocent could be sent to the gallows and because life imprisonment with no chance of release is more of a punishment.
Exactly my stance.
KEN-JENNINGS
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RedTwizzler wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No, because of the possibility that someone innocent could be sent to the gallows and because life imprisonment with no chance of release is more of a punishment.
Exactly my stance.
1) What about admitted serial killers/mass murderers (people that have been witnessed by society committing murder)
2) Why should we (as taxpayers) pay for someone else's mistake for a lifetime?
3) Should a person who makes a 'mistake' (even such a large one as committing murder) be punished for the rest of his/her life?
konfusion
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No - enslave them.

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Villain{NY}
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:

No, because of the possibility that someone innocent could be sent to the gallows and because life imprisonment with no chance of release is more of a punishment.
Exactly my stance.
1) What about admitted serial killers/mass murderers (people that have been witnessed by society committing murder)
2) Why should we (as taxpayers) pay for someone else's mistake for a lifetime?
3) Should a person who makes a 'mistake' (even such a large one as committing murder) be punished for the rest of his/her life?
I understand what you're saying, societies hatred for these individuals is so intense that everyone wants them dead and rightly so, however, why give them the easy way out.  I find it much more cruel and fitting of the crime if the person is forced to spend the reaminder of their days confined to a concrete box where their own twisted thoughts will drive them even more insane.
KEN-JENNINGS
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Villain{NY} wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

Exactly my stance.
1) What about admitted serial killers/mass murderers (people that have been witnessed by society committing murder)
2) Why should we (as taxpayers) pay for someone else's mistake for a lifetime?
3) Should a person who makes a 'mistake' (even such a large one as committing murder) be punished for the rest of his/her life?
I understand what you're saying, societies hatred for these individuals is so intense that everyone wants them dead and rightly so, however, why give them the easy way out.  I find it much more cruel and fitting of the crime if the person is forced to spend the remainder of their days confined to a concrete box where their own twisted thoughts will drive them even more insane.
How are we any different from a criminal if we allow a man to rot inside a box for eternity?

My rationale in advocating the death penalty for the above is that I view these people as sociopaths- people that cannot function in our society, ever.  I consider myself somewhat of a humanist, and I want what is best for humanity.  To me, psychopaths such as mass murderers and serial killers have no place in our society - they will never be able to function within our morals, culture, etc.  They have no place in humanity, except maybe as examples.  I am aware that many (some reports put the number at 80%) sociopaths I describe are results of their molested/abused childhood, which is truly sad.  That to me is one of the greatest problems in society.

I am not concerned with giving anyone an "easy way out".  There is no ultimate game of chess where society 1-ups the criminal by keeping him/her in jail for the rest of their life.  That being said, there are criminals who I believe should be locked up forever.  I just don't agree with the idea that we can simply throw criminals in jail, provide them the bare essentials for existence (food/shelter) and blindly turn away. 

I advocate a type of correctional system where otherwise helpful, productive members of society are separated from "career criminals" and "bad seeds".  Too much emphasis is focused on punishment and blame instead of actually making some members of our society who are in prison beneficial contributors.

All in my opinion of course.

Last edited by KEN-JENNINGS (2007-07-30 11:34:27)

Villain{NY}
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Villain{NY} wrote:

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:


1) What about admitted serial killers/mass murderers (people that have been witnessed by society committing murder)
2) Why should we (as taxpayers) pay for someone else's mistake for a lifetime?
3) Should a person who makes a 'mistake' (even such a large one as committing murder) be punished for the rest of his/her life?
I understand what you're saying, societies hatred for these individuals is so intense that everyone wants them dead and rightly so, however, why give them the easy way out.  I find it much more cruel and fitting of the crime if the person is forced to spend the remainder of their days confined to a concrete box where their own twisted thoughts will drive them even more insane.
How are we any different from a criminal if we allow a man to rot inside a box for eternity?

My rationale in advocating the death penalty for the above is that I view these people as sociopaths- people that cannot function in our society, ever.  I consider myself somewhat of a humanist, and I want what is best for humanity.  To me, psychopaths such as mass murderers and serial killers have no place in our society - they will never be able to function within our morals, culture, etc.  They have no place in humanity, except maybe as examples.

I am not concerned with giving anyone an "easy way out".  There is no ultimate game of chess where society 1-ups the criminal by keeping him/her in jail for the rest of their life.  That being said, there are criminals who I believe should be locked up forever.  I just don't agree with the idea that we can simply throw criminals in jail, provide them the bare essentials for existence (food/shelter) and blindly turn away. 

I advocate a type of correctional system where otherwise helpful, productive members of society are separated from "career criminals" and "bad seeds".  Too much emphasis is focused on punishment and blame instead of actually making some members of our society who are in prison beneficial contributors.
When punishing criminals for their actions we need be no different from them.  We need to treat cruelty with cruelty and be as ruthless with the administration of that cruelty as possible.  I'm not saying this applies to all criminals, there certainly are people who can be rehabilitated and be descent contributors to our society, however, we must realize that certain people cannot be and they need to be dealt with accordingly.  In some extreme cases I do advocate the death penalty, but in the majority of cases I believe being locked in a cage is one of the most cruel punishments imaginable.
DesertFox-
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KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

xRBLx wrote:

An eye for an eye a tooth for a tooth and life for a life.
Nothing like Archaic Christian Bible quotes to get the death penalty rolling!  "Allahu Akbar!"  I mean, "Praise the Lord Jesus Christ!"

Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death. 18And he that killeth a beast shall make it good; beast for beast. 19And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; 20Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again. 21And he that killeth a beast, he shall restore it: and he that killeth a man, he shall be put to death.
And then you have the new jack Christian Bible quotes to stop that in its tracks.

"You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you." (Matthew 5:38-42)

Drakef wrote:

The idea that an innocent man may be executed is only another reason why many of us disapprove of the death penalty. Canadians will likely remember the case of David Milgaard, a man who spent twenty-three years in prison before being freed after new evidence proved his innocence.
Here is the problem with these innocents who are exonerated years later. Within the past half century or so, we've developed all those new methods you see on CSI to compare evidence and whatnot. Almost all of these innocents I see who were wrongfully convicted were put in prison in the '60s or '70s when we didn't have the advantages on what we do today.

Last edited by DesertFox- (2007-07-30 12:35:31)

psychotoxic187
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PureFodder wrote:

No. It doesn't appear to deter people and if you find out you convicted the wrong person it's a bit hard to reverse the process.
Your logic is so flawed it's pathetic. The ONLY reason it does not deter them is because they know they will get to sit on death row for 20-30 years, with endless appeals. If the process is much faster it would be the best deterant ever. People in Iraq under Saddam feared what would happen to them, because it happened in that instance, not 30 years later. I'll admit some innocent people are in jail, but what percentage do you honestly think are innocent who are killed? Once you kill someone you give up all rights to life, and you are no longer a productive member of society, and should be dealt with accordingly. People have it WAY to easy in jail, cable, food, free clothes, and a free roof over their head.
Silentkillr69
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<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

my theory is, if you take a life your life should be taken
"an eye for an eye makes us all blind" - mahatma ghandi

Last edited by Silentkillr69 (2007-07-30 17:30:39)

Drakef
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DesertFox- wrote:

Here is the problem with these innocents who are exonerated years later. Within the past half century or so, we've developed all those new methods you see on CSI to compare evidence and whatnot. Almost all of these innocents I see who were wrongfully convicted were put in prison in the '60s or '70s when we didn't have the advantages on what we do today.
Understandable, but there is no absolute justice. But, as I said, this is only one facet of capital punishment that supports my opposition to it.
Ajax_the_Great1
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Silentkillr69 wrote:

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

my theory is, if you take a life your life should be taken
"an eye for an eye makes us all blind" - mahatma ghandi
I hate that quote for the simple fact that we all have TWO eyes. Ghandi was a fucking pussy.
Orrish
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Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Silentkillr69 wrote:

<<<FTDM>>>Gen.Raven wrote:

my theory is, if you take a life your life should be taken
"an eye for an eye makes us all blind" - mahatma ghandi
I hate that quote for the simple fact that we all have TWO eyes. Ghandi was a fucking pussy.
i think Ghandi was joking .
PureFodder
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psychotoxic187 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

No. It doesn't appear to deter people and if you find out you convicted the wrong person it's a bit hard to reverse the process.
Your logic is so flawed it's pathetic. The ONLY reason it does not deter them is because they know they will get to sit on death row for 20-30 years, with endless appeals.
Based on what exactly? What's so appealing about sitting on death row for 20-30 years before being executed? Do you honestly believe for one second that the amount of time people spend on death row before they are killed has ever entered the mind of a single criminal ever when deciding whether or not to kill someone?

You can see it now:
"hmmm, shall I kill this fool for trying to killing my brother and stealing all my drugs, well the pentaly for this crime will certainly be death, but knowing the legal system of this country I can probably keep an appeal running for a good decade or two before they'll be able to actually kill me. Although there is a significant incovenience to spending the rest of my life in a cell, no more drugs sex and fun for me, but at least I'll be able to use the time as an opportunaty to read all those books I never seem to get time for as a drug dealer. I've heard so many grat things about A tail of two cities."

BANG.
Gawwad
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Amazing how many people still think that the reason behind punishment is revenge...
psychotoxic187
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PureFodder wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

No. It doesn't appear to deter people and if you find out you convicted the wrong person it's a bit hard to reverse the process.
Your logic is so flawed it's pathetic. The ONLY reason it does not deter them is because they know they will get to sit on death row for 20-30 years, with endless appeals.
Based on what exactly? What's so appealing about sitting on death row for 20-30 years before being executed? Do you honestly believe for one second that the amount of time people spend on death row before they are killed has ever entered the mind of a single criminal ever when deciding whether or not to kill someone?

You can see it now:
"hmmm, shall I kill this fool for trying to killing my brother and stealing all my drugs, well the pentaly for this crime will certainly be death, but knowing the legal system of this country I can probably keep an appeal running for a good decade or two before they'll be able to actually kill me. Although there is a significant incovenience to spending the rest of my life in a cell, no more drugs sex and fun for me, but at least I'll be able to use the time as an opportunaty to read all those books I never seem to get time for as a drug dealer. I've heard so many grat things about A tail of two cities."

BANG.
That's my point they don't think before they react, because they all ready know are justice system is a joke. Their life in prison is more than likely to be better then outside of prison. Nothings appealing about it, but they know one thing for sure they will not be punished for their crime for a long time.
Turquoise
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The death penalty is necessary, but it should be limited in its use, and it should be cheap (firing range/hanging, not lethal injections).
Reiskis
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yes. in most cases anyway...
G3|Genius
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no, and this is one area where I disagree with the republican party.

Although it makes more sense to be against abortion and pro-capital punishment than to be pro-abortion and against capital punishment (like the libs), I personally think that life in prison is a worse punishment than cutting someone off.

FYI, the Catholic Church says that the death penalty is only acceptable if the person's very EXISTENCE threatens human life.

Catechism of the Catholic Church, #2267 wrote:

Assuming that the guilty party's identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor. (emphasis added)
The#1Spot
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[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.
so you are telling me that a headshot is more expensive than jail time
TodErnst
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The#1Spot wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.
so you are telling me that a headshot is more expensive than jail time
would you please read my post on page 1 of this thread ?

Last edited by TodErnst (2007-08-01 01:05:57)

mtb0minime
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Yeah I support it. They just need to speed things along and get rid of the ridiculous amounts of appeals. A death sentence nowadays is just like life without parole since they sit on death row for decades.

I'm not really supporting it to "get even" with the criminals or "give them what they deserve", but mainly to clean out the prisons and jails and keep them from wasting too much of taxpayers' money.
Danorge
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Voted YES! Kill'em all
in DK we have a max of 16years... no death or life. you kill someone with the intention of killing the person you get 12-16years !?!?! with intent to kill.
I think every singel contry around the world should have death pen. then the criminals cant escape like they do. make 3 strikes anywhere you a F***ed, dont count in parking thicket and such, but any voilent/death crime should count as a strike.

Like posted previus, in jail the "top" have PS3, HD TV ,adsl lines. (damn here in DK we court freak watching child porn WTF in jail!??!)
So 3 strikes you out, life & death pen is a good law.

If we kill the wrong person, sorry compensation to the family. not much more to do, we stil need to find the person we are looking for. so we can frie him/her in the cheer.
Cybargs
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The#1Spot wrote:

[pt] KEIOS wrote:

- death penalty costs more, then prison.
- there are too many innocents, getting toasted
- death penalty doesn´t deter the criminals from crime
- when someone ends up in prison, many other social systems failed before that. improve those!
- justice is not about revenge.
so you are telling me that a headshot is more expensive than jail time
Bullets obviously cost 30k pounds

Death penalties are always cheaper.
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Bubbalo
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I challenge those of you who do support it to watch the first season finale of Boston Legal (Death Not Be Proud), and then defend the death penalty.

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