They don't have the death penalty in Britain. They only have that kind of thing in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States.lowing wrote:
I fail to see the damn question here. This guy was shot in the head, and his life has ended because of it. It is murder and those thugs should be trid for murder and if found guilty, executed.
You are blowing me away with this, well lets only charge them with as little possible bullshit
LMAO!!.........Yeah, cause England is chock fulla lenient history in its treatment of its criminals.Braddock wrote:
They don't have the death penalty in Britain. They only have that kind of thing in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States.lowing wrote:
I fail to see the damn question here. This guy was shot in the head, and his life has ended because of it. It is murder and those thugs should be trid for murder and if found guilty, executed.
You are blowing me away with this, well lets only charge them with as little possible bullshit
Ya...If only there were an island we could ship criminals off to that would be big enough.....lowing wrote:
LMAO!!.........Yeah, cause England is chock fulla lenient history in its treatment of its criminals.Braddock wrote:
They don't have the death penalty in Britain. They only have that kind of thing in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States.lowing wrote:
I fail to see the damn question here. This guy was shot in the head, and his life has ended because of it. It is murder and those thugs should be trid for murder and if found guilty, executed.
You are blowing me away with this, well lets only charge them with as little possible bullshit
Gimme a fuckin' break
How about an island.............lets say.........the size of.....ohhhhhh I dunno.............ENGLAND???!!!usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...If only there were an island we could ship criminals off to that would be big enough.....lowing wrote:
LMAO!!.........Yeah, cause England is chock fulla lenient history in its treatment of its criminals.Braddock wrote:
They don't have the death penalty in Britain. They only have that kind of thing in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Gimme a fuckin' break
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you're kidding right?TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Probabaly manslaughter, doesnt sound pre-meditated, aiming for the head shows they wanted to kill him though.
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Hey guys, I'm Irish ...I know full well how horrible the history of the British justice system is.usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...If only there were an island we could ship criminals off to that would be big enough.....lowing wrote:
LMAO!!.........Yeah, cause England is chock fulla lenient history in its treatment of its criminals.Braddock wrote:
They don't have the death penalty in Britain. They only have that kind of thing in places like Iran, Saudi Arabia and the United States.
Gimme a fuckin' break
I agree with you, if you pull the trigger it's quite obvious you've made a very important decision and should face the consequences.ARCHANGEL1941 wrote:
you're kidding right?TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Probabaly manslaughter, doesnt sound pre-meditated, aiming for the head shows they wanted to kill him though.
Pre-meditated is something planned obvioulsy, but manslaughter? get the fuck out of here.
My best friend died of a gunshot wound to the head in an attempted car jacking.
The suspect, killed her, ran away carjacked another driver a day later under threat of killing him, broke into a house, got into a shoot-out with the home owner, and finally got into a shoot-out with the police in which he was shot in the leg and captured.
All he got 10 yrs for 2nd degree murder, cuz he couldn't remember pulling the trigger and that the gun just went off.
This drug abusing bitch ass cholo ruined the lives of so many by taking a beautiful girls life and he gets mercy.
When you pull a gun, you got something planned. When you aim it at someone's head, you MEAN TO KILL. When you fire 4 fucking shots, its not manslaughter.
edit: spelling
As long as those consequences isn't forfeiting your life for the one you took huh?Braddock wrote:
I agree with you, if you pull the trigger it's quite obvious you've made a very important decision and should face the consequences.ARCHANGEL1941 wrote:
you're kidding right?TheEternalPessimist wrote:
Probabaly manslaughter, doesnt sound pre-meditated, aiming for the head shows they wanted to kill him though.
Pre-meditated is something planned obvioulsy, but manslaughter? get the fuck out of here.
My best friend died of a gunshot wound to the head in an attempted car jacking.
The suspect, killed her, ran away carjacked another driver a day later under threat of killing him, broke into a house, got into a shoot-out with the home owner, and finally got into a shoot-out with the police in which he was shot in the leg and captured.
All he got 10 yrs for 2nd degree murder, cuz he couldn't remember pulling the trigger and that the gun just went off.
This drug abusing bitch ass cholo ruined the lives of so many by taking a beautiful girls life and he gets mercy.
When you pull a gun, you got something planned. When you aim it at someone's head, you MEAN TO KILL. When you fire 4 fucking shots, its not manslaughter.
edit: spelling
Was thinking Oz myself, but meh.lowing wrote:
How about an island.............lets say.........the size of.....ohhhhhh I dunno.............ENGLAND???!!!usmarine2005 wrote:
Ya...If only there were an island we could ship criminals off to that would be big enough.....lowing wrote:
LMAO!!.........Yeah, cause England is chock fulla lenient history in its treatment of its criminals.
Gimme a fuckin' break
Sounds like a criminal could live a pretty easy life there, since apparently punishing them inhumane
You see this is where your liberal label doesn't fit for me ...I'd rather have them on bread & water and cracking rocks open all day followed by ritual raping every night in the shower block ...but you can't have everything. I oppose the death penalty on three main grounds:lowing wrote:
As long as those consequences isn't forfeiting your life for the one you took huh?Braddock wrote:
I agree with you, if you pull the trigger it's quite obvious you've made a very important decision and should face the consequences.ARCHANGEL1941 wrote:
you're kidding right?
Pre-meditated is something planned obvioulsy, but manslaughter? get the fuck out of here.
My best friend died of a gunshot wound to the head in an attempted car jacking.
The suspect, killed her, ran away carjacked another driver a day later under threat of killing him, broke into a house, got into a shoot-out with the home owner, and finally got into a shoot-out with the police in which he was shot in the leg and captured.
All he got 10 yrs for 2nd degree murder, cuz he couldn't remember pulling the trigger and that the gun just went off.
This drug abusing bitch ass cholo ruined the lives of so many by taking a beautiful girls life and he gets mercy.
When you pull a gun, you got something planned. When you aim it at someone's head, you MEAN TO KILL. When you fire 4 fucking shots, its not manslaughter.
edit: spelling
Better to have him in jail with 3 squares a day and a gym a library and cable TV at the taxpayers expense. We wouldn't want him to suffer now would we? That would be cruel and unusual.
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Charge the fuckers for murder and then hang them.fatherted13 wrote:
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=5739143
Does the declaration of him being "legally dead", put the attackers facing a murder charge, or just attempted murder?
And what do you think of this incident?
1. no the suffering is the anticipation of death from the time he is sentenced to the second he dies. That is the punishment.Braddock wrote:
You see this is where your liberal label doesn't fit for me ...I'd rather have them on bread & water and cracking rocks open all day followed by ritual raping every night in the shower block ...but you can't have everything. I oppose the death penalty on three main grounds:lowing wrote:
As long as those consequences isn't forfeiting your life for the one you took huh?Braddock wrote:
I agree with you, if you pull the trigger it's quite obvious you've made a very important decision and should face the consequences.
Better to have him in jail with 3 squares a day and a gym a library and cable TV at the taxpayers expense. We wouldn't want him to suffer now would we? That would be cruel and unusual.
1. It's too easy for them, one moment of suffering and no more torment from the world and their own guilt.
2. Court cases have been found to have delivered incorrect verdicts in hindsight, can't overturn an execution, can you?
3. Society becomes as bad as the tyrant it's supposed to be punishing, watch the Kieslowski movie 'A Short Film About Killing', he captures this quite well http://imdb.com/title/tt0095468/
That was overturned a couple months ago and he's out.ARCHANGEL1941 wrote:
Not sure about any other countries justice system, but here in America, it fucking sucks.
Killers get leniency on technicallities.
And a true story happening now,
a 17yr old boy gets a mandatory 10yr prison sentance for having consenual oral sex with a 15yr old girl at a party.
I am not vehemently opposed to the death penalty in certain scenarios. I'd be hypocritical to try and say I was, if someone raped my girlfriend or (hypothetical) daughter I myself would kill the person if I got a hold of them and so if you could put them in a dock in front of me and prove beyond doubt that he was the perpetrator, in my heart I would have no difficulty with him receiving the death penalty ...we're probably on (almost) common ground here.lowing wrote:
1. no the suffering is the anticipation of death from the time he is sentenced to the second he dies. That is the punishment.Braddock wrote:
You see this is where your liberal label doesn't fit for me ...I'd rather have them on bread & water and cracking rocks open all day followed by ritual raping every night in the shower block ...but you can't have everything. I oppose the death penalty on three main grounds:lowing wrote:
As long as those consequences isn't forfeiting your life for the one you took huh?
Better to have him in jail with 3 squares a day and a gym a library and cable TV at the taxpayers expense. We wouldn't want him to suffer now would we? That would be cruel and unusual.
1. It's too easy for them, one moment of suffering and no more torment from the world and their own guilt.
2. Court cases have been found to have delivered incorrect verdicts in hindsight, can't overturn an execution, can you?
3. Society becomes as bad as the tyrant it's supposed to be punishing, watch the Kieslowski movie 'A Short Film About Killing', he captures this quite well http://imdb.com/title/tt0095468/
2. This is true, but I only condone the death sentence when it goes beyond a reasonable doubt and must carry a completely WITHOUT a doubt. DNA seems to be the key to accomplishing that.
3. We will have to disagree with this. I think it shows that society will not tolerate criminal behavior. I am not talking about public executions or some blood bath specticle like in the ME.( which you did try to compare the US to and I find way off base)
You honestly can see the difference between being strapped to a gurney and having a doctor "put you to sleep" as opposed to lopping your head off in a public square in front of 1000 cheering spectators??Braddock wrote:
I am not vehemently opposed to the death penalty in certain scenarios. I'd be hypocritical to try and say I was, if someone raped my girlfriend or (hypothetical) daughter I myself would kill the person if I got a hold of them and so if you could put them in a dock in front of me and prove beyond doubt that he was the perpetrator, in my heart I would have no difficulty with him receiving the death penalty ...we're probably on (almost) common ground here.lowing wrote:
1. no the suffering is the anticipation of death from the time he is sentenced to the second he dies. That is the punishment.Braddock wrote:
You see this is where your liberal label doesn't fit for me ...I'd rather have them on bread & water and cracking rocks open all day followed by ritual raping every night in the shower block ...but you can't have everything. I oppose the death penalty on three main grounds:
1. It's too easy for them, one moment of suffering and no more torment from the world and their own guilt.
2. Court cases have been found to have delivered incorrect verdicts in hindsight, can't overturn an execution, can you?
3. Society becomes as bad as the tyrant it's supposed to be punishing, watch the Kieslowski movie 'A Short Film About Killing', he captures this quite well http://imdb.com/title/tt0095468/
2. This is true, but I only condone the death sentence when it goes beyond a reasonable doubt and must carry a completely WITHOUT a doubt. DNA seems to be the key to accomplishing that.
3. We will have to disagree with this. I think it shows that society will not tolerate criminal behavior. I am not talking about public executions or some blood bath spectacle like in the ME.( which you did try to compare the US to and I find way off base)
I think you're splitting hairs by saying the Middle Eastern techniques are more brutal or bloodthirsty than the US. To me it's all the same, it's cold hearted execution. You can do it in the street with a few thousand watching or in a gallows with a hundred watching from the gallery, it's the same end result. It is this primitivism that makes me feel more inclined towards not having the death penalty.
But like I said, if I (heaven forbid) found myself in a scenario where I was the victim I might feel differently.