BF2S Forums Heres a serious topic for you (Military Related)

psychotoxic187 wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

Rathji wrote:

Greenie_Beazinie, I am guessing you are rather young.

*insert slanderous liberal commie pinko type comment here*


I think you should look into the Cold War and its implications in the military policies of the time. As it stands now, there is no "RED TIDE" to hold back.

As for Iraq? You want to drive your car to work without paying 16 bucks a gallon? Yeah I didn't hear you complaining about that *shrug*

i would have left out the petrol comment, greenie is right petrol in aus has gone up nearly 50 percent since america invaded iraq.

and i use the owrd invaded as thats what it was, it isnt and never will be a war, the point of being there has changed 3 times by my count.

The reason has not changed why we are there. Intel said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, it still could be there, we cannot search every nook and cranny. It's funny how the same people who criticise Bush for the bad intel, all thought that Sadam had these very weapons earlier. We are there to simply hunt down terrorists, and it has everything to do with us greenie, you're just to daft to see that. Petrol has gone up simply, because the oil companies can get away with it. They showed record profits last year, but continued to raise prices.

The main reason for gas prices going up is the growing use of cars (and other combustion engine use) in the 2 largest populated countries in the world. I just used the gas statement as a satirical comment on people claiming that gas prices were the only reason we invaded.


As for the real reason the US invaded?  WMD, Organizations in Iraq supportin terrorist acts, Freedom for Iraqi people, Saddam having war criminal accusations leveled against him  etc.

-People say they didnt find weapons of mass destruction there so the reasons for invading were wrong. Even if you accept this statement blindly without even considering the fact that they were moved to another country, thats fine.

-How can you explain thousands of FORIEGN (Islamic Militant in most cases) terrorists that have entered Iraq been supported by people living in Iraq and fighting against the troops there. This isnt a case of 'OMG THESE PEOPLE ARE IN MY COUNTRY LETS ATTACK THEM" like most people claim.

-People in Iraq want freedom, if they didnt want it, they would not have risked thier lives  against numberous threats made against voters. Also note that they did so in numbers that surpass voter turnout in many American (or Canadian) elections. I think as a powerful democratic nation the US has some stake (if not a requirment) to help them achieve thier freedom.

-Saddam has violated so many international laws and conventions, killing people in his own country with gas attacks. Not counting anything else he has done, this act alone is enough to give a legal reason to have him removed from power.

You might think that American soldiers dying in Iraq is a tragic thing, and you are right. It shouldn't have to happen. There is something terribly wrong about having to tell a mother that her son died because some lunatic strapped some C4 to his jihad jeep. I also think that telling someone that thier son died rescuing people in the WTC, or in a train one morning in Madrid  is a far far more unjust thing to happen.

American soldiers give thier lives every day for YOUR freedom, you might not think that them fighitng in Iraq (or Afganistan) has anything to do with your freedom. You have that right to think that, it is another one of the things that having freedom promises. But next time you take an elevator, or get onto that subway car, think about how much freedom would be taken away by a pack of C4 in a backpack  or some idiot flying a plane straight into the floor where you are heading. Then think about how much it is worth.

Hey, what do I know, I am not even American.

To answer the original question , no I dont think it happens much, the military has had lots of time to perfect thier brainwashing,,erm training of the troops so they dont freeze up, they react.

parthian1000 hit the nail on the head with the US / Aus relations , which again is why most countrys hate the US, people have to remember though its the government ,not the people.

If the people could gain control again we would, but we are basicly all slaves to the government with little or no say on what goes on , if a vote doesnt go thier way they fix it.

psychotoxic187 wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

Rathji wrote:

Greenie_Beazinie, I am guessing you are rather young.

*insert slanderous liberal commie pinko type comment here*


I think you should look into the Cold War and its implications in the military policies of the time. As it stands now, there is no "RED TIDE" to hold back.

As for Iraq? You want to drive your car to work without paying 16 bucks a gallon? Yeah I didn't hear you complaining about that *shrug*

i would have left out the petrol comment, greenie is right petrol in aus has gone up nearly 50 percent since america invaded iraq.

and i use the owrd invaded as thats what it was, it isnt and never will be a war, the point of being there has changed 3 times by my count.

The reason has not changed why we are there. Intel said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, it still could be there, we cannot search every nook and cranny. It's funny how the same people who criticise Bush for the bad intel, all thought that Sadam had these very weapons earlier. We are there to simply hunt down terrorists, and it has everything to do with us greenie, you're just to daft to see that. Petrol has gone up simply, because the oil companies can get away with it. They showed record profits last year, but continued to raise prices.

What did Iraq have to do with terrorists?

There's no weapons, it seems like alot of Iraqis didnt want to be 'liberated' and Saddam wasnt exactly bum-buddies with UBL.

If you wanna find WMDs try your backyard, or Isreal.

FeloniousMonk wrote:

Greenie_Beazinie wrote:

Rednecks, poor people and hotheads join the military.

Kiss my ass, emo coward. You go tell that to someone in the ADF and see if they don't kick the living shit out of you. I thought Australians were supposed to have balls.

I'ma coward because I dont like killing? Go join the military if you've got balls.

DID I SAY I HAD A PROBLEM WITH ADF? They probably know they dont have enough men to defend Aus anyway.

vjs wrote:

Oh my god,

lets not start another topic of why the war was wrong. There are only two types of people who post there those that are brainwashed, ... yes thats two.

Some go through the military for quite a few years finally figure out what's going one, understand their role. Then understand the true meaning of the word DUTY.
Then follow their leaders even if it means their death. Why? the good of the whole (or at least the assumed good of the whole at that time).
My hats go off to them, but often times their leaders are wrong.


Some havn't done anything, watch MTV get brainwashed by celbs and liberals, and a "PC world". Think they have an opinion that matters and if they stick to those opinions they become the brainwasher.
Then after been smacked down enought times and failing, working hard for nothing. Once things get important realise their different opinon doesn't matter to the people who were brainwashing them.

In the end what happens, as long as the brainwashers stay the brainwashers they are happy. IF you get lucky and work hard you become the brainwasher. Both brainwashers want the same thing, Money and Power.

Why was france against the war? B/c the shit we were blowing up in Iraq was theirs. Why wasn't the UN more forceful to go in... b/c they were corrupted by money. Why was sadam in power, b/c he was harsh enough to deal with the terrorists/freedom figthers/citizens of iraq to maintain the power. Why did the US go in... they want the power and the sadam family is against the bush family.

Look through the media to the real sources...

Anyone know that the recording industries in canada are against the RIAA?

end rant, I'll STFU so should U, lets get back to gaming

You're brainwashed! NO! You're brainwashed!!

Greenie_Beazinie wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

the_heart_attack wrote:

i would have left out the petrol comment, greenie is right petrol in aus has gone up nearly 50 percent since america invaded iraq.

and i use the owrd invaded as thats what it was, it isnt and never will be a war, the point of being there has changed 3 times by my count.

The reason has not changed why we are there. Intel said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, it still could be there, we cannot search every nook and cranny. It's funny how the same people who criticise Bush for the bad intel, all thought that Sadam had these very weapons earlier. We are there to simply hunt down terrorists, and it has everything to do with us greenie, you're just to daft to see that. Petrol has gone up simply, because the oil companies can get away with it. They showed record profits last year, but continued to raise prices.

What did Iraq have to do with terrorists?

There's no weapons, it seems like alot of Iraqis didnt want to be 'liberated' and Saddam wasnt exactly bum-buddies with UBL.

If you wanna find WMDs try your backyard, or Isreal.

It has everything to do with terrorists, as Sadam is one himself. Sadam also funded, and harbored terrorist movements, so again I say it has everything to do with us.

psychotoxic187 wrote:

Greenie_Beazinie wrote:

psychotoxic187 wrote:

The reason has not changed why we are there. Intel said Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, it still could be there, we cannot search every nook and cranny. It's funny how the same people who criticise Bush for the bad intel, all thought that Sadam had these very weapons earlier. We are there to simply hunt down terrorists, and it has everything to do with us greenie, you're just to daft to see that. Petrol has gone up simply, because the oil companies can get away with it. They showed record profits last year, but continued to raise prices.

What did Iraq have to do with terrorists?

There's no weapons, it seems like alot of Iraqis didnt want to be 'liberated' and Saddam wasnt exactly bum-buddies with UBL.

If you wanna find WMDs try your backyard, or Isreal.

It has everything to do with terrorists, as Sadam is one himself. Sadam also funded, and harbored terrorist movements, so again I say it has everything to do with us.

the movie team america was a perfect example of what america thinks.

Greenie_Beazinie wrote:

Rathji wrote:

Hey, what do I know, I am not even American.

Then why are you afraid of C4 in elevators?

I'm not, but thats because people are doing something about it rather than sitting with thier heads up thier asses waiting for thier own little corner of heaven to get blown to bits. The head in the sand approach isn't what one would call a good one.

My parents funded John Howard, who is a different type of terrorist

Well, although I have received basic infantry training in the German Army, I have never actually shot at other people aka the enemy. But I do figure that the percentage of soldiers fighting today who have consciously killed enemy troops in ground ( infantry ) combat is relatively low. This is of course due to the large part that air support / mechanized support plays in modern combat, and the fact that the US forces are so overpowering in most cases that there will hardly be any intensive CQC.

what I have seen from the footage in Iraq, as soon as a US unit is receiving enemy fire, they fire back as fast as possible, and in most cases it will be impossible to tell who killed who afterwards ( especially considering they have a slight weapons/technology edge and can call in some serious firepowr ). I wouldn't know what the percentage of kills that could actually be attributed to a specific soldier was, but I think it would be quite low.

As someone else has said here, most will fire randomly in the direction of the enemy.

Some people will simply freeze and be unable to move, shoot or do anything under stress. Hell, that even happened during basic training in my time.

What I know is that it is considerably easier to shoot when you imagine your opponent not to be a living, breathing human being just like you, but a target. as simple as that. fire at the shape, not the man.
distance also helps, or firing at vehicles, air assets, bunkers, etc... It helps to put aside any thoughts about those inside.
I'd imagine that short distance kills are the hardest ( from an emotional point of view ). Actually seeing someone else die after you pulled the trigger must be troubling. I do hope I never have to live through that.

In the end, training will only do so much for you. You cannot really prepare for war. Some can cut it, some cannot.

Flavius Aetius wrote:

I am at the top.

you think you are, but being at the top is about more than having the best weapons of war.

its people like you that get into undeserved positions of power and make the world hate your country with your we are so mighty look at our guns talk.
sadly americans are the only people who dont realise how bad your country does things.

What the fuck?  I'm convinced you special ed rejects couldn't stay on topic if the topic was tits and there was some tits in your face.

Greenie, your such an emo fag.

I quit these retarded forums.  Nothing but a bunch of 12 year old idiots in here.

Chuy - Please close this one down.  It's degraded to more Anti-American Faffery and there are three other topics for that (at least).