BF2S Forums Website design.

http://www.htmlgoodies.com/

That's where I learned HTML back in '97.

This is the best online resource available:

http://www.w3schools.com/

Also, don't waste your time with Java Applets. Learn a server-side programming language like PHP.

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

This is the best online resource available:

http://www.w3schools.com/

Also, don't waste your time with Java Applets. Learn a server-side programming language like PHP.

I think he means Javascript. Even so,

! DO NOT USE JAVASCRIPT FOR FUNCTIONALITY THAT COULD OTHERWISE BE DONE WITH HTML !



Christ.

PHP isn't going to help him much. He needs to learn HTML, CSS and Javascript in that order (XHTML is basically a combo of those three). It sounds like he's just looking for a good presentation layer. PHP isn't going to do much good for him unless he has lots of backend logic he needs processed. That's sorta useless for a resume site. In fact, Flash would even be more useful than PHP.

Cerpin_Taxt wrote:

This is the best online resource available:

http://www.w3schools.com/

Also, don't waste your time with Java Applets. Learn a server-side programming language like PHP.

That site kinda makes sense. Im guessing its made by the w3c.

chittydog wrote:

Villham, just reread your post and realized you probably already know a lot of what I mentioned. If you want to continue on the web, you'll have to learn JavaScript. It's not that hard and if you've taken any programming courses in the past you'll pick it up easily. What kind of computer industry job are you looking for?

I already know java. Im not sure how similar javascript is to java though.

Im doing Computer Science BSc atm, so i know a few programming languages, so it shouldnt take long to learn. Im looking at software programming and gaming industry. Ive been reading up alot and it apparently realy helps to start early with this stuff, i may be in my first year but i recon its best if i start now, then i can showcase everything ive done, like WC3 maps, bf2 maps, elderscrolls mods etc.

Vilham wrote:

chittydog wrote:

Villham, just reread your post and realized you probably already know a lot of what I mentioned. If you want to continue on the web, you'll have to learn JavaScript. It's not that hard and if you've taken any programming courses in the past you'll pick it up easily. What kind of computer industry job are you looking for?

I already know java. Im not sure how similar javascript is to java though.

Im doing Computer Science BSc atm, so i know a few programming languages, so it shouldnt take long to learn. Im looking at software programming and gaming industry. Ive been reading up alot and it apparently realy helps to start early with this stuff, i may be in my first year but i recon its best if i start now, then i can showcase everything ive done, like WC3 maps, bf2 maps, elderscrolls mods etc.

It's fairly close. If you know Java, you know the syntax. It's just a matter of learning the object model and you'll pick that up quickly. http://www.javascript.com/ has all that on there, although I'm not crazy about the way the site is laid out. If you're looking at the gaming industry, Java is a great place to start. Even if you don't go into gaming, the bank I work for starts junior Java developers in the $60K range. Not bad for right out of school in the US. Anyway, if you haven't taken C++, go ahead and take that as well. It sounds like you have a great idea of what you need to do to achieve your goal. Good luck, man. I look forward to playing a game you've written someday.

chittydog wrote:

Vilham wrote:

chittydog wrote:

Villham, just reread your post and realized you probably already know a lot of what I mentioned. If you want to continue on the web, you'll have to learn JavaScript. It's not that hard and if you've taken any programming courses in the past you'll pick it up easily. What kind of computer industry job are you looking for?

I already know java. Im not sure how similar javascript is to java though.

Im doing Computer Science BSc atm, so i know a few programming languages, so it shouldnt take long to learn. Im looking at software programming and gaming industry. Ive been reading up alot and it apparently realy helps to start early with this stuff, i may be in my first year but i recon its best if i start now, then i can showcase everything ive done, like WC3 maps, bf2 maps, elderscrolls mods etc.

It's fairly close. If you know Java, you know the syntax. It's just a matter of learning the object model and you'll pick that up quickly. http://www.javascript.com/ has all that on there, although I'm not crazy about the way the site is laid out. If you're looking at the gaming industry, Java is a great place to start. Even if you don't go into gaming, the bank I work for starts junior Java developers in the $60K range. Not bad for right out of school in the US. Anyway, if you haven't taken C++, go ahead and take that as well. It sounds like you have a great idea of what you need to do to achieve your goal. Good luck, man. I look forward to playing a game you've written someday.

Yeah im taking C++ next year.

Also can you guys not argue about scripting languages and programming languages. No matter what either of you say my lecturer in java made it perfectly clear javaScript is NOT the same as java.

As to what im going to learn for webscripting from the uni notes i have, its mostly basic stuff apart from the XHTML and PHP.

XHTML
CSS
javascript
javaapplet
PHP
XML

Thanks for the help though guys.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-07-16 20:03:00)

Also is there a XHTML api like the java api?

eg http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/

jsnipy wrote:

Vilham wrote:

Also is there a XHTML api like the java api?

eg http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/

There is a spec ... http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/

http://www.w3schools.com/tags/default.asp

was actually what i was looking for. Thanks anyway.

I have one big question for you guys about framesets:

1. Should i use them? eg for a table of contents down the left side or along the top, so that it stays the same throughout the website.
2. If i should how do i make it work like a table of contents. So far i can only make it change what is in its own frame and not what is in the other frame.

If you cant answer no.2 thats fine, its just that i looked around all last night for the answer, i even took my lecturers example with such a working case and opened it in note pad but couldnt find the section that showed it as it was using javascript.

Last edited by Vilham (2007-07-16 20:17:15)

Yeah thats kinda what my lecture notes said. Talked about how you cant bookmark pages with them and shit like that.

Vilham wrote:

chittydog wrote:

Villham, just reread your post and realized you probably already know a lot of what I mentioned. If you want to continue on the web, you'll have to learn JavaScript. It's not that hard and if you've taken any programming courses in the past you'll pick it up easily. What kind of computer industry job are you looking for?

I already know java. Im not sure how similar javascript is to java though.

Im doing Computer Science BSc atm, so i know a few programming languages, so it shouldnt take long to learn. Im looking at software programming and gaming industry. Ive been reading up alot and it apparently realy helps to start early with this stuff, i may be in my first year but i recon its best if i start now, then i can showcase everything ive done, like WC3 maps, bf2 maps, elderscrolls mods etc.

Yes, yes, yes. Definitely start like yesterday already! I wish I'd done something very similar back when I was a first year in my Software Engineering BEng - but we didn't have the web back then.

I'm currently in the process of building my own website (click my sig) - btw, feel free to browse the source code, but would highly recommend you do not - 1. I'd rather you didn't steal any of it (but it's hard to stop that on the web) and actually - 2. you probably won't want to steal it - it might give you some pointers of how to do some things, but my requirements for my website ah, well, somewhat unique, and the current version is a somewhat hacked together first 'gotta get something up' attempt at meeting a small subset of those requirements.

Anyway, as others have said, you need to know or learn the following:

1. (X)HTML - if you haven't looked at this yet, it's easy, don't worry too much about the differences between XHTML and HTML - there isn't that much of a difference - but you do want to make sure you're learning from an up-to-date book/tutorial.

2. CSS - cascading style sheets, if you're not familiar with them, control the 'visual' aspects of the site content (font styles, colours, positioning and so on) - the css language is very easy to learn, and again, you want to make sure you're learning from an up-to-date source.

3. JavaScript - with JavaScript I'd actually recommend starting with an older JavaScript book - the core core core language hasn't changed much, so getting back to JavaScript 1.0 and learning that will give you a good grounding - and they'll be cheap.

Don't think about PHP or other server-side scripting for the moment - you don't need it immediately - build the basic framework and start putting in the main content of the site first - this can all be done client-side (with (x)html, css and javascript).

A secondary benefit to doing it all client-side, is that you could, for example, take all your (x)html, css and javascript files, drop them on to a CD/DVD and you have a presentation disc you can take to give to prospective employers at interview - fancy it up a little with a nice label and a quality case, and you've got the job. (if only were really that simple - but you get the picture, I hope)

I would also steer clear of Flash for the moment too. You need to think about the end-user (the bosses of the company you want to work for) and the image you want to present. Keep it slightly 'formal' and clean of too many flashy-graphics - small amounts where absolutely appropriate are ok, but keep them too a minimum.

Hope that helps and do feel free to PM me if you have any questions on specifics that don't warrant a thread-post...