BF2S Forums 'No Sun link' to climate change

Spark wrote:

Aliens are dropping invisible bombs, the invisible explosions of which are warming our atmosphere!

Damn aliens screwing the Earth climate.

I don't know who to believe anymore.  There's always suspicion in my mind.  They could be correct, they could be wrong, they might have the actual answer but are they telling us the truth or are they telling us what we want to hear.  Who the hell knows?  The only thing that is certain is your opinion and that's not something to be taken as gospel, not even mine.

When was it that the sun was changing its output?

ATG wrote:

So why is Jupiter heating up too?


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no … upiter.htm

And why isn't Ur Anus?

Last edited by topal63 (2007-07-11 07:53:39)

The Sun will eventually expand, swallow up the entire solar system and then shrink to nothing more than a candlelit dinner.  Supposed to be a few million years yet so they tell us.  Maybe it's on it's preliminary cycle as we speak.   A little ahead of schedule don't you think?

Lets crack open the marshy's and sing campfire songs.   

PureFodder wrote:

Clear scientific evidence has never appeared to stop the masses claiming that we have nothing to do with it, I'm not expecting this to sway them.

ATG wrote:

So why is Jupiter heating up too?


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/no … upiter.htm

And there we go.

Actually Jupiter produces it's own heat. However, It absorbs more heat from the sun than it produces itself, which is why it's considered to be a planet.

However, We're still recovering from a 'little ice age'

PureFodder wrote:

Clear scientific evidence has never appeared to stop the masses claiming that we have nothing to do with it, I'm not expecting this to sway them.

People don't believe scientific evidence (especially on global warming) because scientists/science are unreliable - they can't even accurately predict tomorrow's weather.  We are inundated with studies that contradict other studies release six months prior (not only this topic but many others which makes it hard to choose which are reliable if any).

I don't think anyone over 30 yrs old will disagree that climate has changed over their life.  The cause of the changes and the worrisomeness of it will continue to be strongly debated.  Some people with valid reasons others without.

V1king wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

V1king wrote:

The Sun will eventually expand, swallow up the entire solar system and then shrink to nothing more than a candlelit dinner.  Supposed to be a few million years yet so they tell us.  Maybe it's on it's preliminary cycle as we speak.   A little ahead of schedule don't you think?

Lets crack open the marshy's and sing campfire songs.   

Actually it won't, by the time the sun swells up it will have lost so much mass that the orbits of the planets should be outside the range of it's swell.

It's still going to burn out though, right?  Either way, life won't exist without it.  Why do these scientist keep changing their theories.....

Actually it's another in the great list of common misconceptions. It's just regular people finding out that science predicts that the sun will swell up to 'X' radius in a few million years, then checking to see what distance Earth's orbit from the sun is without thinking about the sun loosing mass issue. The science didn't change, non-scientists just didn't consider all of the facts.

confused wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

confused wrote:

People don't believe scientific evidence (especially on global warming) because scientists/science are unreliable - they can't even accurately predict tomorrow's weather.  We are inundated with studies that contradict other studies release six months prior (not only this topic but many others which makes it hard to choose which are reliable if any).

I don't think anyone over 30 yrs old will disagree that climate has changed over their life.  The cause of the changes and the worrisomeness of it will continue to be strongly debated.  Some people with valid reasons others without.

Actually it's all the rest of the theories about the causes of global warming that regularly change and get picked apart. The scientific community has been in solid agreement about CO2 being one of the main culprits of our current global warming trends for decades. The strong debate isn't a scientific debate, it's a conservative vs. environmentalist debate, both sides of which tend to distort the science and ignore any bits that don't fit their preconceived viewpoints. Don't blame scientists, they're the only reliable bit in this issue, blame the media and idiots with political agendas.

Also predicting tomorrows weather has no particular relationship with predicting global climate. You can't predict where an electron will be tomorrow and yet you can supply a country with electricity.

I wasn't specifically saying theories of global warming change regularly, but everyday something comes out contradicting a previous study whether it was carcinogens or healthy fat or whatever.  There is no longer acceptance of academia because of it.

While the ability to predict weather may have no relationship to understanding global warming, uninformed people (the masses from your original statement) will likely link the two together (ie weather is weather).

Unfortunately science is very complex and people don't seem overly interesting in studying it so they lack the required understanding to make an objective criticism of the issues. As people get most of their scientific information from the popular media they hit the problem of recieving their information from people who don't know what the hell they are talking about. In order to try to stay balanced, the media will often report there being two sides to an arguement when there real is only one. They will present 'reports' from dubious sources that aren't in any way scientific, but people watching can't tell the difference. They also rarely follow up on reports like alternative theories to CO2 based global warming and report the fact that they (yet again) turned out to be a complete load of rubbish.

confused wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

confused wrote:

People don't believe scientific evidence (especially on global warming) because scientists/science are unreliable - they can't even accurately predict tomorrow's weather.  We are inundated with studies that contradict other studies release six months prior (not only this topic but many others which makes it hard to choose which are reliable if any).

I don't think anyone over 30 yrs old will disagree that climate has changed over their life.  The cause of the changes and the worrisomeness of it will continue to be strongly debated.  Some people with valid reasons others without.

Actually it's all the rest of the theories about the causes of global warming that regularly change and get picked apart. The scientific community has been in solid agreement about CO2 being one of the main culprits of our current global warming trends for decades. The strong debate isn't a scientific debate, it's a conservative vs. environmentalist debate, both sides of which tend to distort the science and ignore any bits that don't fit their preconceived viewpoints. Don't blame scientists, they're the only reliable bit in this issue, blame the media and idiots with political agendas.

Also predicting tomorrows weather has no particular relationship with predicting global climate. You can't predict where an electron will be tomorrow and yet you can supply a country with electricity.

I wasn't specifically saying theories of global warming change regularly, but everyday something comes out contradicting a previous study whether it was carcinogens or healthy fat or whatever.  There is no longer acceptance of academia because of it.

While the ability to predict weather may have no relationship to understanding global warming, uninformed people (the masses from your original statement) will likely link the two together (ie weather is weather).

Or it APPEARS to contradict. Remember - scientists aren't sensationalists. They are very cautious with how they interpret their own results, and others. That's why a statement from the scientific community saying global warming is 'probably' man-made gets such huge press.