BF2S Forums A message from UK Muslims

Oh shit... This is not going to end well...  I hope the moderates of both sides prevail on this one, but this doesn't look good at all...

ATG wrote:

Europe has a extremist Muslim problem
Oops, forgot I can't say that.

punk

This is what I mean....you have muslims speaking out against radicals but they only do it from countries that give them more freedom than where they came from(america, Britain, etc.). I would like to see a muslim with some balls and speak out against radicals in the country of their ORIGIN. That wont happen because those muslims live in more fear in their own countries to ever step up to the plate.

Gee I wonder what would happen if I opened up a Catholic church in Lebanon with an American flag hanging off the roof.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

This is what I mean....you have muslims speaking out against radicals but they only do it from countries that give them more freedom than where they came from(america, Britain, etc.). I would like to see a muslim with some balls and speak out against radicals in the country of their ORIGIN. That wont happen because those muslims live in more fear in their own countries to ever step up to the plate.

You realize this sounds a lot like "You there, I want you to speak up against something in a country where speaking up against something can get you tortured and killed, while I sit in this safe country over here.", right?

Seriously, FFS people, who the fuck do any of you think you are to demand anyone risk their lives to satisfy your view of how their lives should be while you sit in your computer chair in your nice safe home where the Morals Police aren't going to kick your fucking door in and drag you off at any moment? They're doing the same damn thing people almost always do when they find themselves living in some psycho authoritarian state: they go along to get along. Their authoritarians wear familiar faces; so even if they do collectively chafe under the weight of insane restrictions and harsh punishments, it's how their lives have been since they were fucking born. They've also seen what happens to those who do speak out and resist. But since they're not doing a re-enactment of fucking Red Dawn in their home countries, some peckernecks who wouldn't survive a week in their place are offended. On behalf of every poor fucker living in any one of the fundamentalist Islamic nations, fuck you. They've got enough to worry about all ready that I doubt the disapproval of some cheetos-encrusted keyboard-banger matters worth a rusty shit to them. "Step up to the plate"? Are you fucking kidding me? How fast would you step up to the plate if you knew that within a matter of hours you'd be getting six shades of shit knocked out of you by the Mullah's Finest?

Look, since it seems to be such a difficult concept for some people to grasp, lemme spell it out simply: they speak out in other countries to avoid being tortured and fucking killed. I don't know, maybe they figure they can speak to their fellow Muslims a lot more easily if they're not fucking dead. Makes sense doesn't it?

Kmarion wrote:

Some Muslims are reluctant to speak out for fear of retaliation.

Some feel they have to speak out for fear of retaliation.

Demanding a voice of opposition no matter if it is sincere or not will only serve to alienate what could be our greatest ally in fighting terrorism.

Too true. I've just a question about this moderate voice. I know that there are some Muslims that really despise what these radical terrorists do (Can we even consider these people to be Muslim anymore?), but I keep seeing all these posts about them not saying enough. Is it totally that the moderate voice is too small, or could another factor be that we don't focus our attention on them? I mean, we spend a lot of our attention on the radicals, the kind that most of us hate, but do we see much of moderate point of view?

I think that even if the moderate Muslim are a very small minority, probably because of the retribution they may face for speaking out, if we were to give them more coverage, more attention, we would see more and more people speaking out.

ATG wrote:

Europe has a extremist Muslim problem
Oops, forgot I can't say that.

This proves it doesn't. It has a small bunch of Muslim extremists, Christian Extremists, Bigots, racists................. which are all being watched by the moderates and hopefully the security forces.

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

LOL @ ATG....  Good to see you again, stranger...

Funny, a forum with a bunch of snot nosed kids seems to have pretty high standards for debate.
Well done lads, I have seen a difference.

Don't think anyone here posts with a view to impressing you ATG. You debated for long enough with "snot nosed kids", if you don't like it, then don't come back.

B.Schuss wrote:

ATG wrote:

Europe has a extremist Muslim problem
Oops, forgot I can't say that.

who says you can't ?

He's just bitter that us Europeans say he's wrong when he tries provoke us by saying that

B.Schuss wrote:

ATG wrote:

Europe has a extremist Muslim problem
Oops, forgot I can't say that.

who says you can't ?

ATG wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

LOL @ ATG....  Good to see you again, stranger...

Funny, a forum with a bunch of snot nosed kids seems to have pretty high standards for debate.
Well done lads, I have seen a difference.

ah, and what are you, a responsible adult ? condescending ftl....

I think you took what I said in the total reverse of how it was meant.

It was supposed to mean " missed you too. "

Bloomberg wrote:

The incidents include:

    * An Asian-owned newsagents in Riddrie, Glasgow, being ram-raided and then fire-bombed;
    * Graffiti daubed in Lanarkshire targetting a Glasgow MP, saying 'Kill all P**is starting with Mohammad Sarwar';
    * A petrol bomb thrown through an estate agents window, which is thought to have been intended for the mosque next door, in Bathgate, West Lothian.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= … NL8Zopcxdo

The terrorists are winning. This is what they want to happen.

That's pretty fucked up, but expected....  It seems like that whole region over there is just saturated with hardliner people.  All the heat must make people go crazy there.

The_Mac wrote:

Just like in California.

Why on earth must you bring some snide anti-liberal or anti-left comment into every single thread?