HeadShotAK47
Hand's shaken' / Heart's beatn' / Still Shootin'
+32|6736|Ft. Laudy, FL, USA

MattTheGrunt wrote:

Kill/death ratio    1.72
Score per minute    1.88
Kills per minute    0.79
Deaths per minute    0.46
Kills per round              10.99
Deaths per round    6.38
Best kill streak    42
Worst death streak    15
Kills    14545
Kill assists    2146
Deaths    8442
Suicides    199
http://bf2s.com/player/80310668/   

ok i'd say you know what you're doing

Last edited by HeadShotAK47 (2007-07-04 10:02:31)

I.M.I Militant
We Are Not Alone In Here
+297|6729|Melbourne, Australia
im sorry but this has to be one of the worst guides iv ever layed eyes on the only reason i kept on reading was because of how entertaining it is

pistols are the shiz a great strat is to put a chest shot into a target with the bolt action quikly swap to your pistol and lay 1 or 2 shots into him for the finish

and that whole thing about the exhaustion WTF ! dat is just blatent bs i dont know what game your playing but it def aient bf2
Snipingruven
The Anti-Sniper
+12|6546|Las Vegas

Longbow wrote:

snipers suck .
Guide to Sniping:

When team takes off to fight run off and hide.

When enemy with a REAL gun approaches, stand up drop clay, piss yourself, and run other way.

Snipe over enemy flag, DO NOT attempt to take said flag!
Collateralis
Beep bep.
+85|6380|Stealth on Grand Bazaar

MattTheGrunt wrote:

I am utterly annoyed when i see people run around like beheadded chickens, bunnyhopp and snipe on the run. Much like Counterstrike players.

DONT!

Sniping in BF2 is a completely different sport. The most important thing to know is, YOU DO NOT HAVE ARMOUR!
What that means is, you will die if your even strafed by anything ealse then a sidearm. Along with the SpecOps, you are the most vounerable class in the game and will bruise like a ripe tomato.

Snipers are NOT team players. If you do choose to be a sniper, create your own squad and lock it. If you want, you can allow one team member. Prefferably a Medic or Support, for obvious reasons. By having your own squad, you can request the comander tools at your discression, which is vital for sniping. You can call for UAV support, so you can see where your targets are, Supply dropps to rearm and heal, and an arty strike when you get annoyed. Also a vehicle dropp is handy when you have to get out of dodge.
Keep away from the action! Snipe from a location that dosent attract the attention of the horde.
This is constructive, not negative.

I dont know whether you wrote this guide aimed at IO or vehicles, taking from an IO perspective:

Firstly, whilst many regard bunnyhopping as pointless, it is extreemely effective and often gets me out of tight spots in 1v1's where I am suprised.

I also snipe and lead a squad of 5, and we do well, because I can stand back a bit, help out on flags, take out tricky targets. I spot everything I see and we move together. I suppose its just as effective as when I play medic but it takes me a hell of a less time to kill targets as a sniper than as medic.

There is no 'perfect' guide for snipers, I would say in a forum like this it is best to avoid writing them as there are many differing views on how to snipe and what role a sniper plays.

For me, this guide is wrong, purely because you don't believe snipers can be in the action. I know I can be in the action and lead a squad well. It's all about your stance toward the kit.
Barrakuda777
Member
+86|6746|Somewhere near a shrub or rock

HeadShotAK47 wrote:

MattTheGrunt wrote:

Kill/death ratio    1.72
Score per minute    1.88
Kills per minute    0.79
Deaths per minute    0.46
Kills per round              10.99
Deaths per round    6.38
Best kill streak    42
Worst death streak    15
Kills    14545
Kill assists    2146
Deaths    8442
Suicides    199
http://bf2s.com/player/80310668/   

ok i'd say you know what you're doing
As opposed to one of those pointless CQB snipers like myself.... i know i dont contribute much to the team, but i try....

    BarrakudaSSS vs Mattthegrunt:

    Kill/death ratio        8.3066   vs     1.72
    Score per minute    3.8827   vs     1.88
    Kills per minute       1.651    vs     0.79
    Deaths per minute   0.199    vs     0.46
    Kills per round         23.855  vs    10.99
    Deaths per round    2.872     vs     6.38
    Best kill streak         58        vs     42
    Worst death streak    4        vs       15
    Kills                     24,928     vs     14545
    Kill assists             3,576      vs     2146
    Deaths                  3,001      vs      8442
    Suicides                 65          vs          199


http://bf2s.com/player/82705675/

Meh, know which i would choose to be on my team....

Kooda
Smithereener
Member
+138|6325|California
I dunno, I kind of stopped right when you said, "Snipers are NOT team players."

That's the reason everyone tends to hate snipers. No matter WHAT kit you are, be it sniper, medic, support, etc., you should always try and help out the team instead of laying down behind a bush all day, waiting for something to come your way.
ShellShock.PwN
Member
+31|6797|Barrie Ontario

Barrakuda777 wrote:

HeadShotAK47 wrote:

MattTheGrunt wrote:

Kill/death ratio    1.72
Score per minute    1.88
Kills per minute    0.79
Deaths per minute    0.46
Kills per round              10.99
Deaths per round    6.38
Best kill streak    42
Worst death streak    15
Kills    14545
Kill assists    2146
Deaths    8442
Suicides    199
http://bf2s.com/player/80310668/   

ok i'd say you know what you're doing
As opposed to one of those pointless CQB snipers like myself.... i know i dont contribute much to the team, but i try....

    BarrakudaSSS vs Mattthegrunt:

    Kill/death ratio        8.3066   vs     1.72
    Score per minute    3.8827   vs     1.88
    Kills per minute       1.651    vs     0.79
    Deaths per minute   0.199    vs     0.46
    Kills per round         23.855  vs    10.99
    Deaths per round    2.872     vs     6.38
    Best kill streak         58        vs     42
    Worst death streak    4        vs       15
    Kills                     24,928     vs     14545
    Kill assists             3,576      vs     2146
    Deaths                  3,001      vs      8442
    Suicides                 65          vs          199


http://bf2s.com/player/82705675/

Meh, know which i would choose to be on my team....

Kooda
200+ hours ALL on karkand. Congrats to him but id take a sniper who plays more then 1 map on my team over him anyday, even if his KDR is lower then 8.

mind you those are some amazing stats but all around i dont think id take barracuda.

Last edited by ShellShock.PwN (2007-07-04 11:07:40)

FlamingPhenix
I'm in ya base, drinking ya booze
+44|6566|Behind you, with a knife
Btw matt, in your guide you forgot the most important thing when far sniping, bullet drop
molotov<bf2>
Member
+15|6454|uk

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

id take a sniper who plays more then 1 map on my team over him anyday
you missed BarrakudaSSS's point in that this particular account he uses for cqb sniping, which amongst other things this superficial guide failed to deal with.

if you want to see how well he copes with other maps i suggest you check out his main account Barrakuda777, then pick up a knife & fork & eat your words.
ThaReaper
Banned
+410|6649
I should have screenshot my score I got yesterday on wake with the sniper. like 60-4
ShellShock.PwN
Member
+31|6797|Barrie Ontario

molotov<bf2> wrote:

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

id take a sniper who plays more then 1 map on my team over him anyday
you missed BarrakudaSSS's point in that this particular account he uses for cqb sniping, which amongst other things this superficial guide failed to deal with.

if you want to see how well he copes with other maps i suggest you check out his main account Barrakuda777, then pick up a knife & fork & eat your words.
ok he still has a MAJOR majority with karkand with his hours. If thats supposed to be a different type of sniping account i fail to reconize the difference between the two, 360+ hours on karkand and i tihnk i seen 2 40+ on other maps. Im not ripping on barracuda, im sure hes an amazing shot but i fail to see how playing 90% of your total time played on 1 map can justify being a good sniper.
Barrakuda777
Member
+86|6746|Somewhere near a shrub or rock

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

200+ hours ALL on karkand. Congrats to him but id take a sniper who plays more then 1 map on my team over him anyday, even if his KDR is lower then 8.

mind you those are some amazing stats but all around i dont think id take barracuda.
I played extensively as sniper on all maps in the early days and I found my niche as a CQB sniper, which is pointed at by the OP as not being viable, however as Karkand is the most played map on bf2, and I run at an average 8+ KD for over 250 hrs I would tend to think he is incorrect.

I can turn my hand to any map (and i will be the first to admit there are people on other maps I would not want a run in with, basically insert the majority of the Wookies and Wake in here) but I left the "longer" pure sniping to others as it does not light my candle.

I could hold up the stats I have (admittedly on a second/fourth account) and say that all other forms of sniping fail. This would be unfair to a large number of snipers who contribute a constant thorn in enemy's side by covertly whittling their tickets and numbers - hence I would not.

I could also do a guide, but I respect those that have been done before me as basically compiling a great resource to start from and develop your own techniques from. I would never try to push my opinions on the fine art as fact, which is what pissed me off tbh.

Anyways, enough pontification. My reasoned argument why I have to disagree with the OP is plain to see.

Kooda
molotov<bf2>
Member
+15|6454|uk

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

i fail to see how playing 90% of your total time played on 1 map can justify being a good sniper.
please read my post carefully.

kooda specialises in cqb sniping, karkand is the most extreme example of this - thats the polar opposite of say dont_be_ss who snipes on wake with 600m visability. both love their respective maps as depending on what classification of sniper you happen to be, each map is like crack.

whether you think one is 'better' than the other is purely subjective, because at the end of the day they can't be compared.

if you are writing a sniper guide the prerequisite is you either discuss both methods or alternatively specify which classification you are discussing.

If you have the simple arrogance to tell everyone it is 'The Professional Guide' & don't, people will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
ShellShock.PwN
Member
+31|6797|Barrie Ontario

molotov<bf2> wrote:

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

i fail to see how playing 90% of your total time played on 1 map can justify being a good sniper.
please read my post carefully.

kooda specialises in cqb sniping, karkand is the most extreme example of this - thats the polar opposite of say dont_be_ss who snipes on wake with 600m visability. both love their respective maps as depending on what classification of sniper you happen to be, each map is like crack.

whether you think one is 'better' than the other is purely subjective, because at the end of the day they can't be compared.

if you are writing a sniper guide the prerequisite is you either discuss both methods or alternatively specify which classification you are discussing.

If you have the simple arrogance to tell everyone it is 'The Professional Guide' & don't, people will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
just to clearify, i never once said Baracuda is a bad sniper, someone had said they would rather have cooda on their team rather the the other dood.   I was merly stating that overall i would rather have someone with more experience on other maps. now with thatsaid,  cooda had said he can play on the other maps but doesnt like to or soemthing like that. so i would probably change my mind. i too like to snipe, unlike others tho i dont like to play karkand. the thing that got me going was the " eat your words " that you had said. i hate it when ppl make stupid comments to piss someone off.
digger89
Member
+0|6147|Australia

Barrakuda777 wrote:

Completely disagree on almost every point.

Feel free to argue, your wrong to suggest your way is the only way.

P.S. There are some good guides out there actually and YOUR OPINIONS presented as fact are annoying. I am a different type of sniper to you and just because I play differently does not make it wrong.

Kooda

P.S. Stats to back your expert opinion?
Sorry mate that is a very good way to snipe lot easier to lay down than jumping around like a fool and also laying down makes it harder for a shot and being recognised jumping up and down my make it harder getting the shot but gives your postion away right away  so I agree with matt
digger89
Member
+0|6147|Australia

molotov<bf2> wrote:

ShellShock.PwN wrote:

i fail to see how playing 90% of your total time played on 1 map can justify being a good sniper.
please read my post carefully.

kooda specialises in cqb sniping, karkand is the most extreme example of this - thats the polar opposite of say dont_be_ss who snipes on wake with 600m visability. both love their respective maps as depending on what classification of sniper you happen to be, each map is like crack.

whether you think one is 'better' than the other is purely subjective, because at the end of the day they can't be compared.

if you are writing a sniper guide the prerequisite is you either discuss both methods or alternatively specify which classification you are discussing.

If you have the simple arrogance to tell everyone it is 'The Professional Guide' & don't, people will treat it with the contempt it deserves.
I won't referre to other parts of the post but I love Wake it's like crac to me I only play weekends at Internet Cafes but I have done 25 hours on wake and I have only done 30 hours on BF2
Barrakuda777
Member
+86|6746|Somewhere near a shrub or rock

digger89 wrote:

Barrakuda777 wrote:

Completely disagree on almost every point.
Sorry mate that is a very good way to snipe lot easier to lay down than jumping around like a fool and also laying down makes it harder for a shot and being recognised jumping up and down my make it harder getting the shot but gives your postion away right away  so I agree with matt
Prone and stationary targets are by far and away the easiest to kill in the game...

As I have said, im not qualifyed to comment  on long range sniping (im by no means bad at it, however there are many, many players with a much more in-depth knowledge), I tend to be a city maps man where the killing is done at under 200 metres, at these ranges its plausable to act as a designated marksman (note this is not strictly "sniping") and move as a squad. In this role a "sniper" is in my opinion at their most effective and in my opinion a much more valuable asset that some dude on a hillside...

Im not interested in arguing if the designated marksman role is a viable method of sniping (i know for a fact it is)

P.S. Note the use of "my opinion", I could have avoided comment on this whole post if the OP had used this anywhere in his "guide" aka "misinformation" on sniping (do you like the verbal snipe?)

Kooda

Last edited by Barrakuda777 (2007-07-10 10:16:29)

Funky_Finny
Banned
+456|6142|Carnoustie, Scotland

Reciprocity wrote:

MattTheGrunt wrote:

Whats the difference, do i hear you ask. Well lets get to the basics. The M24 and the L96A2 are the only two bolt action weapons in this assortment, meaning they come with laser precise accuracy. It is a fact that they are both equaly accurate, have the same amount of ammo and do precicely the same amount of damage. The only difference is the crosshair size. The L96A2 has the thinnest crosshairs, enabeling you to take carefull aim at long distance. Which in a combat situation is essential.

The rest of the weapons, the M95, Type-88 and SVD are semi automatic. Eventhough the M95 appears to be bolt action in BF2, dont be fooled, it is infact semi auto. The Type-88 and the SVD are by far the worst weapons in BF2. They lack firepower, accuracy and practicality. Which dose not mean they are out of place. No no, they are specialist weapons.
sorry rimjob, the 95 is a bolt rifle.  the 82 and it's variants are semi.
In BF2, sure it's a bolt action gun, but in real life it's a clip.
Rodders9
Member
+0|6140
Also Matt dont foget to add one thing which ive seen you do a lot, that is camp a capped base. So heres my bit, if you want to snipe do it which ever way you like, just dont sit with your scope facing a capped base, unless of course you want to get kicked off a few servers like um... Matt for example

And as for sniper all i can say is experience will show you the way of where/what to/not do.

I guess i choose sniper a lot but i usually do that when flying or commanding or w/e... If you can defend a base alone against 3-5 soldiers then you are a decent sniper, providing they still have no clue where you are. But overall anyway, sniper, assault , spec ops and so on are all good until you have a 'good' commander spot you, which sadly enough still doesnt happen a lot. Maybe someone should do a commanding guide and if there is one already, which i am sure there is, then go read it BEFORE you command.


anyway enjoy

Rodders9

ps. I forgot to mention the second unlock for sniper isn't the L96A2 its called the 'L96A1' at least get that right if youre going to write bout it.

Last edited by Rodders9 (2007-07-19 07:08:43)

Tjasso
the "Commander"
+102|6533|the Netherlands
nice job on this guide m8 ... imo the Type-88 isnt that bad liked watching those UK sniper videos more than the US parts;)
senor_fulff
Member
+25|6769|Yorkshire, UK.

Funky_Finny wrote:

Reciprocity wrote:

MattTheGrunt wrote:

Whats the difference, do i hear you ask. Well lets get to the basics. The M24 and the L96A2 are the only two bolt action weapons in this assortment, meaning they come with laser precise accuracy. It is a fact that they are both equaly accurate, have the same amount of ammo and do precicely the same amount of damage. The only difference is the crosshair size. The L96A2 has the thinnest crosshairs, enabeling you to take carefull aim at long distance. Which in a combat situation is essential.

The rest of the weapons, the M95, Type-88 and SVD are semi automatic. Eventhough the M95 appears to be bolt action in BF2, dont be fooled, it is infact semi auto. The Type-88 and the SVD are by far the worst weapons in BF2. They lack firepower, accuracy and practicality. Which dose not mean they are out of place. No no, they are specialist weapons.
sorry rimjob, the 95 is a bolt rifle.  the 82 and it's variants are semi.
In BF2, sure it's a bolt action gun, but in real life it's a clip.
it's still a clip-loaded bolt action in real life.
mtamosaitis
Member
+3|5994|Colorado Springs
Well the good thing about a guide is if you don't want the info don't read it. I haven't been playing long but I believe a lot of what Matt is saying here. Being a sniper is fun if you know what your doing. But if you are not killed by arty or a bomb falling on your head or getting run over. Find a different spot to snipe from. Because more then likely the same person who shot you will be looking for you there again.
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Member
+28|6234
Snipers are fucking worthless. Grab an M-16 and shut the fuck up.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6762|Toronto, ON
What's going on here?
Alpha as fuck.
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