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I was born in 1981.  And I don't carry illusions as to knowing the payload/type of warcraft in use by certain countries at age 10.

You are delusional.  Anyone can tell you our (US) media is blatantly pro-Israel.

It was a parrot post of your original.  I like how you say, "That's all I can remember off the top of my head."  Obviously you have a bone to pick with what you perceive as left-leaning media.  These are preconceived thoughts, don't try to portray them as something "you have just observed."  I wonder how many times you have made the same post in other forums?

You are the one offering up emotional statements and half-truths as bias in the news media.  I do not believe your words came from anywhere but your self, because no one in their right mind trying to make a valid argument about news bias would use statements such as, "G HW Bush, a bonified war hero..." or, "in 1992  Ross Perot bleeds conservative votes from G H Bush allowing bill Clinton to get in without a majority vote. A rarity. Its hailed as a landslide, it wasn't." to prove their point.

Use relevant FACTS instead of emotional half-truths, and I will listen.  Until then you just sound like a bunch of air passing by.

Please don't attack Ken Jennings.  He is my idol.  Good call though, with the sly attempt at slander.

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The only thing I can prove is your own inanity when it comes to providing facts, reason, and logic to support your (wildly hilarious and somewhat demented) viewpoints.

The way you feel is something I cannot prove wrong.  Calling GHW Bush a "bonified war hero" is wrong.

Let me spell it out for you - Using emotive language and buzz words to elicit certain feelings about a topic is not tantamount to using reason and logic.  Providing certain translations of the way YOU see the media as portraying an event (without actually linking to any news articles about the event) is not tantamount to providing facts.  Until you do that, you prove nothing, except as stated above.

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Turquoise wrote:

This sums it up pretty well. Declaring the media as liberally biased is akin to declaring that God exists or doesn't exist. You can't prove it either way

How about giving 27 specific example to show a pattern ?
Objection !Your Honor, this evidence showing my client complacent in 27 different acts of crime dose in no way prove he is a criminal ! Sustained.

Turquoise wrote:

.27 random instances

random means Accidental casual
The antonym to Random is deliberate


Specific is defined as  Unambiguous,   Detailed,   Exact

Turquoise wrote:

don't prove the media is liberally biased,

PLEASE READ BELOW

Turquoise wrote:

Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general..

Bias 

Turquoise wrote:

…so I retract my previous statement about the complicity of media in the buildup to the war,

Katie Curic asks hero lady cop Who was wounded in gun battle" You must be glad the Brady Bill Passed ?

Hero lady cop: " No that just impedes honest people by making it harder to protect themselves, it wont impede criminals who don't follow laws and never get their guns legally anyway "

Interview instantly ends, cut to bryant gumball who was not expecting to be put on the air so soon and was obviously unprepared, he just stared slack jawed. She got no further mention,



24. after several weeks on end of European tourist being assaulted and robbed at Florida airports ( on their way to Disney World) NBC news sent down a reporter.

Katie Curic asks : "why are they targeting only tourist now ?"
Local DA answers : " well in a fit of frustration in its inability to fight crime, Florida just greatly relaxed its concealed
carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves, Our  crime rate really dropped of and these dirt bags know the only people they can approach safely are people who just passed through a metal detector, "laughs" "

The interview abruptly ends.   The success of  Florida's greatly relaxed concealed carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves and instantly and drastically reducing crime? Well, that's just not news is it. Not News we should hear anyway. Its not in our interests to know the truth ?
http://newsbusters.org/node/13437
Sorry I saw these News progarms Ken, Should I try and forget I did ?
25. Phil Donahue asks a women how she saved herself from a disgruntle employee on a killing spree.

She answers "My friend said " get the gun in your purse "he heard that and spun and bolted down the hall, I always carry a gun, once A guy tried to rape me." A roaring Cheer goes up from the audience.

Phil (very angry) yells "that's another show " repeatedly till cries `die down. Obviously not what he was looking to promote. not the agenda.

Why does the Media support a left wing political agenda if it isn’t biased ?
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalert … 021028.asp

Show me an unbiased Report on any Gun Control Bill Measure.

The Very fact that They still use the term “ Assault Rifle “ when referring to Semi-Automatic Ban is Proof alone of Bias.

26. Hollywood, ( knowing the masses often like to coach or admonish their heroes at the movies ) rewrites the history of  " The Fort William Henry Massacre "

No longer did French let Indians butcher wounded with tomahawks inside the fort after the French asked the militia to turn in their arms

In Hollywood, it was a fair fight in open ground were the British just didn't think to fix bayonets, after all, the Indians were yelling loudly and making scary noises !.
The Truth would  be more dramatic to watch. Don’t believe me Look up Fort William Henry Massacre then Watch Daniel Day Lewis in “ Last of the Mohicans  “

Why quibble and change your decision now? Do you feel safer making a statement when someone else seems to share your opinion ? Is “ group think “ kicking in ?

Turquoise wrote:

if he wants to prove a specific channel is biased, that's more. feasible.

I think we all know and fully realize I meant “ the Majority of the Main Stream Media “ surely you have come across that term in the thousands of lines I have typed in General. There is FOX News and an AM radio station here and there,

Turquoise wrote:

It's just that saying the whole industry is biased is asinine.

Noted Read below

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The only thing I can prove is your own in[s]anity when it comes to providing facts, reason, and logic to support your (wildly hilarious and somewhat demented) viewpoints.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The way you feel is something I cannot prove wrong.

Which is the essence of debate . So  must ask the obvious, Why are you here ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Calling GHW Bush a "bonified war hero" is wrong.

He is in my book, He is to date also the Youngest Naval aviator. He was Awarded The Distinguished Flying Cross. A double volunteer in a no Quarter theater of war where even the Great distances traveled over the Sea using rudimentary forms of navigation were an extreme peril to Airman. Not to mention Carrier aviation in General Which though very advanced since then is Still extremely dangerous. Since you are questioning his Honor, What did you do when you were 17? More to the point what did Clinton do ? not inhale ?
His resume’ looks a lot sharper than anyone here.

. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Let me spell it out for you - Using emotive language and buzz words to elicit certain feelings about a topic

oh really, like

KEN-JEN wrote:

The only thing I can prove is your own inanity ----your (wildly hilarious and somewhat demented) viewpoints.

This really doesn’t support you view point then, Dose it ?
If I couldn’t use the Term “ PARROT “ in a sentence correctly, I would put teaching others on the back burner, for a while…

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

is not tantamount to using reason and logic.

You will soon display reasoning, facts and logic of your own no doubt.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Providing certain translations of the way YOU see the media as portraying an event (without actually linking to any news articles about the event) is not tantamount to providing facts.  Until you do that, you prove nothing, except as stated above.

I have brought here a partial compulation of my own observations and experiences. These are from my own point of view and my particular parallax. The Section is called “Debate and Serious Talk “
Not “ News, Facts and Hyperlinks “ The first two are not necessarily present in the Last .
Alex Jones’s “ Loose Change “

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

How about pointing out specific dates examples of contradictions hypocrisy  fraud !

Ok I will try. On a further note.

All you brought is insults and someone to “ Parrot “ you. ( to use the phrase correctly )

I will not stoop to insult, You must go there alone.  As a self proclaimed Liberal you are supposed to ( allegedly ) be the Standard Bearer of Dissent, Discourse, Divergent Opinion and Tolerance. You display none of these traits, Why?  are you a total Hypocrite ? Unless you would now like to Proclaim yourself an Independent?You have come to this thread without any discernable level of Character or Standards.
To insult people while safely remaining insulated and anonymous smacks of cowardice from my point of view. You are entitled to form your own opinion.

Turquoise wrote:

You're confusing liberal bias in the media with big government bias. .

Actually I am not, if you took the time to read the post. I gave three clear examples. There are many more.

Turquoise wrote:

Most mainstream media supports bigger government -- whether it's gun control, the war on drugs, or just war in general..

out of a sense of blood lust ? I will Passover the fact that  these two observations are in fact contradictions.

Liberal Left is always  BIG GOVERNMENT an the Conservative voter base is not this alone will undue / annihilate your entire argument .

Why should “ Main Stream Media “ Support Any type of Government . This alone is Bias.
And you Now adjusted your argument to Say That, to claim Bias in the Media is “ asinine “

Please be patient as I don’t employ a staff and can only recount them from memory as best as I can

1. Reagan’s New Tax plan is refereed to with laughter as " Reaganomics " on all the Networks,
http://www.answers.com/topic/reaganomics?cat=biz-fin
when its effects start to kick in with fantastic results, its only referred to as " the recovery "
http://economics.about.com/od/useconomi … _1980s.htm

2. In 1992 when G.H. Bush ( a bonafied War Hero, Veteran, The Youngest Navy Aviator ) Faced a
Draft dodger bill clinton who had even written his elected officials a letter stating that "he loathed the military"
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline … etter.html

The media tells the electorate " People don't care about that and don't want to know about the candidates past "  and "Character doesn't matter "

“The first time I voted in a governmental election was during college, which, as it happens, was in New Orleans at Tulane University. In the national election of 1992, we of course had Bush père and Bill Clinton. On campus, (and I can only assume elsewhere), the major argument against Clinton was that he lacked character. Personally, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the elder Bush, but it was amazing to me — and I mean “jaw dropping” — that the mantra of Clinton supporters on campus essentially became “Character Doesn’t Matter!”

http://striderweb.com/blog/2005/09/

3. In 1996 when  a bonafied War Hero Bob Dole ( a disabled American veteran, Wounded in action ) http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1996/can … ndex.shtml

Faced a Draft dodger bill clinton who had even written his elected officials saying “ he loathed the military and didn’t want to serve. “
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

Who could forget the 1996 election when it was vogue to Identify any Republican attempt at a Campaign add as “ Mean spirited “
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalert … 961006.asp

4. In 2000 when a Vietnam era vet who never saw combat Faced a Vietnam era vet who saw combat limited combat   This was suddenly of the Utmost  importance. John kerry's Combat experience!

5. We never saw  Tapes of John kerry on the Dick Cavet Show calling his "Band of Brothers " War Criminals, Why ?. They were out there to see, Did you see kerry calling veterans murderers on the Dick Cavet show ? If not, why?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1186437/posts

6. in 1992  Ross Perot bleeds conservative votes from G H Bush allowing bill clinton to get in without a majority vote. A rarity. In US Presidential elections Its hailed as a landslide, it wasn't.


In the 1992 election, Perot received 18.9% of the popular vote, making him the most successful Independent presidential candidate in terms of the popular vote since Theodore Roosevelt in the 1912 election. Perot managed to finish second in two states: In Maine, Perot received 30.44% of the vote to Bush's 30.39% (Clinton won Maine with 38.77%); In Utah, Perot received 27.34% of the vote to Clinton's 24.65% (Bush won Utah with 43.36%).

7. It was never mentioned his ( Perote’s) candidacy would have this effect on the air. Nor is the candidate for the Liberal party Ron Brown ever mentioned because he would cost clinton liberal votes if his candidacy is validated by the media.

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/barone/2007 … -hurt.html

“ I  have long thought that if Ross Perot had been run down by a bus in 1991, George H. W. Bush would have been re-elected by a small and uninspiring margin …”

http://illinoisansforromney.com/blog/index.php?id=85

If Ross Perot would have not run, everyone says that George H Bush would have ... not conservative enough, and so they voted for Perot as a protest vote



8. and 1996 Ross Perot bleeds conservative votes from Bob Dole . It is never mentioned The phrase republicans are mean spirited is coin and repeated 3678 times on news programs in one week alone

( marching in lockstep are we ? )

http://www.answers.com/topic/ross-perot


"The Vote-Stealing and Turnout Effects of Ross Perot in the 1992 U.S. Presidential Election. ...


9. In 2000 Bush wins by a narrow majority and it is trumpeted as a scandel for 6 years ( see 6. )

10. In 2000 and 2004 when Ralph Nader runs ( all the major networks ) carefully walk the electorate through the fact that " any vote for Nader is a vote for bush "
http://books.google.com/books?q=vote+fo … p;ct=title

http://www.zmag.org/weisnad.htm

I dare you to google this quote and see the results. " any vote for Nader is a vote for bush "

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/15/1526/69267
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en& … tnG=Search



11. In 1994 election when Republicans sweep the house and senate in the first time in 40 plus years,

12.  Newsman are stoic professionals the 1994 republican sweep of the house and senate, No cheering. The day after they conclude and state "American electorate is schizophrenic and does not know what they want."

The 1994 elections empowered a faction within the Republican coalition that made evident the schizophrenic character of their coalition. ...

http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=1065-9129(200506)58%3A2%3C245%3AANMOPS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-A
http://prq.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/58/2/245

No, No bias at all How dare you vote WRONG

13. in 1992 and 96 they cheer as states come in for Clinton .No cheers for Bush either. in 2000 or 04
Why ?  ( thirteen aint your lucky number )

Just listen to the NBC CBS ABC CNN News on election night. Then get back to me.

14. Before the 2006 election The media kept a steady count of American Casualties with emphasis on " casualties after G.W.Bush's mission accomplished speech on the Aircraft Carrier "  In reality the cessation of major hostilities.

Ps the Aircraft Carrier left I guess its mission was accomplished. Why the? Un-Bias Media fixation on the date ?

http://www.iraqbodycount.org/editorial_aug0703.php

15. The 2000 and 2004 vote were closely scrutinized and hints of scandal were taken very seriously. After the democrats eeked out a majority in some very close elections that the media saw no need to question The count.  The count is "no longer news really "

Close Senate race, no scandal  http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elec … yraces/18/

Close Congressional  race, no scandal   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … ions,_2006

16. In the 2006 elections in the last 6 days of campaigning Many networks advertise they will be showing important new war footage. Its the old " Juba The sniper Video " that was on the Internet for almost a year but they showed it Right before the election Repeatedly.

“It’s kind of lost its flavor,” Cable News Network correspondent Michael Ware said of the ... And with that violence, a possible return of Juba the Sniper. ...

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section= … chive=true



bloodshed is good ratings and  sells right ?
After the election they didn't show casualties at all. feel free to explain why they aired that old video tape ( Enemy propaganda at its best ) right before the election

17. Oddly enough I never here of even one terrorist dying, they have non casualties at all? That’s not gory enough perhaps ?
Here what you get when you google “ Insurgent body count “
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-adv/ad … der_wp.htm

18. we never hear about our heroes. .why? Is our fighting men behaving with Valor Anti-Big Government in your opinion ??

No explanation needed .

19. Was not democrat Barney Frank caught in an identical Paige scandal That republican Mark Foley was?   

on July 20, 1990 that The House Ethics Committee recommended "that Representative Barney Frank receive a formal reprimand from the House for his relationship with a male prostitute"[2] Attempts to expel or censure Frank failed;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank



20. If Barney Frank Molests his Paige’s that's okay, Foley is run out of office for same offense and a lot of Republicans take the fall with him, Why ?
These men, though young were past the age of consent.

“ NYTimes completely 'ignores' past page scandal involving Democrats. “

http://jimcaserta.blogspot.com/2006/10/ … -page.html


21.  After pushing Gays for so long democrats run them off when they come out of the closet ? Without protest from the left ?

22. Katie Curic  interviews a Hero Lady Cop in a hospital bed after is wounded in a gunfight with 3 would be bank robbers Who she smartly dispatched with fine pistol work.

23. Katie, Gushing : !" well you must be happy that the Brady bill passed "

Feel free to address any or all of the above.

As a matter of interest, Which of the 26 points listed above constitutes a “ support for Big Government “
in your opinion ?

Here is a few more I gleaned from past post I made comments in, Enjoy !


After 12 years of inflation and recession Ronald Reagan gets our economy and country on track and lays low the Soviet Union a now well documented evil empire. His tenure is referred to as " the decade of greed "

http://www.nationalcenter.org/WCT010804.html

http://www.nationalreview.com/reagan/mc … 101412.asp

In a visit to the 911 fund raiser rally ( Elton John & Billy Joel ) the clinton's were soundly booed on stage. When the concert was later televised the booing was edited out, very Stalin'esce. !
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalert … 020830.asp
http://www.amazon.ca/Concert-York-City- … B00005V1WV

During a visit to the Vietnam memorial on Veterans Day when clinton step'd up to a microphone a very loud "about face " rang out, he made his speech to a solid wall of backs.
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m … 91004/pg_2
http://www.iht.com/articles/1993/06/08/edlet_16.php

It never made the news like Reagan " we begin bombing " joke did http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan

or Ford hitting a golf ball poorly

Is anyone ( except me ) aware of ..the D-Day anniversary ceremonies, when bill clinton (at a military cemetery in France) Just happened across a little American flag that was lying down in front of the Familiar white cross. He stooped down thoughtfully, placed it in front of the tombstone, bowed his head in silent prayer... and after a pause asked the camera man if he " got it ?

"He did something similar on the Omaha beach landing site. I saw both on a Rush Limbaugh TV show. An edited version without the " You get that ? " was aired on prime time news.
http://www.doctor-horsefeathers.com/archives/000190.php


I understand it would have been disrespectful to show the entire clip in light of the spirit of the ceremonies but would NBC cut a republican that kinda slack ?

Does anyone remember Reagan being castigated for showing his respects at a cemetery that contained German soldiers who died in 1945 ? http://stripes.com/article.asp?section= … chive=true

During the 1992 campaign the Media All media touted " the plight of the homeless " http://www.flyingdisk.com/points.htm

the Homeless was the lead story every night leading up to the election. When clinton won the election the Homeless issues instantly died before he even took office.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.h … A964958260



Who saw the US Army Ranger who son followed in his foot steps and fought and died bravely in Mogadishu Somalia Stare bill clinton down face to face and tell him you don't " feel my pain ! You have know idea of the pain I feel."" ( His body guards seemed to be smirking, enjoying the event )

But we all know who Cindy Sheehan is don't we, Can you tell me her son's name he died serving his country?

Can anyone with more computer savvy maybe find that clip and put it on here? Did anyone else see it ? I realize you might have to be a bit older to remember.

But its a fact most conservatives " See the light " in their late 20s. When we were very young, we had once been Liberals

Turquoise wrote:

The media was very complicit in following this administration's war agenda with Iraq,

It was called patriotism. We were attacked, we knew it, we felt it, we saw it, we all lost people, we were pissed  ! After 8 years of attacks unanswered we saw what the cumulative results would be and we wanted action. Even people who hated their country were forced to pretend they didn’t. At the time blatant treason would have been driven down hard.

Turquoise wrote:

until the aftermath became a quagmire. .

Your opinion The fact that you are part of a rather large heard here is of no effect on Your statements lack veracity.

Was post WWII Europe a quagmire ( using your Recycled Vietnam protest speak )
Be sure to say at least once “W e had to destroy the City to Save it “
or “The fire came from nowhere and everywhere ! “

Was the Berlin Airlift a Quagmire? Was Korea a Quagmire ?
Was the War with the U-boats a Quagmire. Don’t make me laugh.
The War Is over. This is a police action now. The insurgents can do nothing of tactical or strategic value.
The fact that they are murdering their own people means nothing to them. The fact that they have resorted to Suicide bombers means nothing to you. Their only goal is to get on the Evening News in the USA. Even when they protest their Banners and signs are written in English. They seem to get it if you don’t. The only hope they have is to make us lose interest in securing the Region.
Using the “ Its not worth the cost in American lives “ line of crap. Why was Freeing Europe Jews worth it to us? Because they were White and these people are darker ? Please tell me Why Arabs are not worth our efforts.

Turquoise wrote:

The only reason the media looks very unfavorably on Bush's handling of nation-building Iraq is because he's done such a shitty job of it..

just biased your opinion.

It took a lot longer’ many more lives’ and 10 to the nth in more dollars to tear down the USSR.
We did it quicker than we rebuilt Japan or Germany. A hell of a lot faster than we created our own Government. Please tell me your own personal benchmark for Nation Building. 

Turquoise wrote:

The media will report on whatever gets ratings, .

They want ratings but this was Proven False. They will bend to an agenda.

Turquoise wrote:

so since death and destruction in Iraq gets them,.

They want ratings but this was Proven False. They will bend to an agenda.
Why no Insurgent deaths? Why do I have to download Our snipers at work of the Internet.
Why do I have to read about Some Chick Wiping out an Insurgent ambush Singly handedly in Soldier of Fortune Magazine. “ She destroyed their Vehicles 1st  because even though her 3 man 2 women unit was out numbered 80 to 5 “ She didn’t want them to get Away “ Nah ! people wouldn’t want to hear her story.

Turquoise wrote:

they will continue to show the bad side of this operation.  .

Why not show both sides. More blood  To boot !

Turquoise wrote:

It's not a liberal agenda, it's a profit agenda..

Prove it, Show me were I had it wrong 1 thru 26

Turquoise wrote:

By the same token, patriotism in the buildup to a war also gets ratings,.

Obviously

Turquoise wrote:

which is why they initially supported the war. .

Turquoise wrote:

Scaring the shit out of people with propaganda works like a charm in terms of viewership and ad sales..

Speak for yourself hear. We weren’t scared ” NYC Stirred not Shaken “
The next Terrorist that stands up on a plane with a box cutter will have it Run across his Sack.
That was a Sucker punch. It will never work again.

Before 911 Hillary and her Liberal Friends were Trying to close Vieques Naval Bombing range . Because “ Why do these War mongers insist on practice for War and Defending the Country, What a dated Cold War Era Point of View “
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/ … print.html

Um by the way.. What happened to that story. It would really show who had their heads so far up their ass they couldn’t see day light. Lets just burry that little tid bit huh ?

No Bias at all. that’s Anti-Big Government ?

Turquoise wrote:

So, please, stop with this "vast left-wing conspiracy" in your view of the media.

They day you tell me what to do has not arrived. I will wait instead for your careful refute of my statements  facts and observations with the same.

Turquoise wrote:

It's just as ridiculous as the "911 truth" movement.

This borders on insult.
If its ridiculous, you should easily be able to point it out. I won’t be holding my breath.

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ghettoperson wrote:

H/J, you have far too much free time.

Really ? I also found time to indulge in deviate sex, Play football with My kids. Get chased out of my back yard by a huge ass snake ( he really didn’t actually chase me but I wasn't goana slow down and check, if you know what I mean. ( Though I had some as a child, I don’t do snakes anymore.)  And I played some BF2142. I type pretty fast though.

Hunter, I concede to your wall of text defense.

Feel free to overanalyze this response as well.  I can see that you enjoy that kind of thing.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter, I concede to your wall of text defense.

Feel free to overanalyze this response as well.  I can see that you enjoy that kind of thing.

Is that what suffices for a come back or a valid argument in your experience  ?
Having Ken Jennings Respond to your comments is like turning a corner and seeing a Texas Long Horn Steer .
It takes a few seconds to sort it out.
First there was a problem that I had no hyperlinks to with any of my observations. 
As if that would invalidate my personal experiences.
So I gave him a Hypertext Colonic. My guess is you couldn’t jam one M&M up there now.
I actually find it tedious to have to document so tirelessly such an obvious Slam dunk.
You could always try and invalidate just one.

Your Best bet would be “ the Massacre at Fort William Henry “ Revisionist history says it may not have happened as it was previously recorded. I always suspected  that The Brits took some license for propaganda value. How much I have No idea.

I also had the Wrong First name for Ulrich, I it was Robert Ulrich in the Early Mid 80s

I'm just going to ask you this.  If I posted 27 cases where I could claim conservative bias, would that change your mind any about the nature of bias in the media?

I just get this impression that you strongly believe the media is liberally biased to the point where you would only say it's objective if every station was like Fox News.

You've obviously done some research on this topic, so I'll give you credit for that.  It's just that I find it very hard to believe that the media serves an overall liberal agenda.  The media is a business.  Don't you think it would be more concerned with whatever is popular rather than serving a coherent political agenda?

I mean, hell, if the media really is that slanted on the left, then how come the left doesn't have as much power as something like that should entail?

usmarine2005 wrote:

Bad network with the best ratings I guess.  People are sheep and equate Bill O'Rly with the news.

While others are sheep and view CNN as absolute, undisputed truth.

Turquoise wrote:

I mean, hell, if the media really is that slanted on the left, then how come the left doesn't have as much power as something like that should entail?

We all get one vote, mine counts as much as George Cloony's.

Many people distrust the Message they get from the Main Stream Media now.

Each person likely has their own reasons.

Perhaps they touched on a topic that each viewer had some personal first hand knowledge on.
many people put great faith in personal  knowledge and first hand experience ! Ahem..

Mine was Firearms. When they started calling for the “ Ban on Assault Rifles “ in the mid 1980s
( If you were born in 1981 you were about five, so you’d be unaware of the Media Bias that took place in the Gun Control Debate back then. Cough cough..)
It was obvious to me, with my basic knowledge of firearms, they were deliberately distorting and hiding the truth  for the purpose of misleading the masses on the issue.

They even worked the message into weekly TV shows popular at the time. "Designing Women", "McGyver" " Hill Street Blues " " Law and Order " to name a few, aired Anti Gun messages clumsily worked into the plot.

Assault Rifles were never for sale to the general public. but, due to constant subtrafuge, Not many people knew this.

You could only buy a gun that looked like an Assault Rifle. They lied again and again on the issue.
This was my key issue. "If they lied about that, could I really assume they were being straight on all else ? "

There were other important issues the Main Stream Media tried to mislead people on during that era.

The F15 Eagle “less capable than many Jet Fighters produced in the 1950s”, “ A waste of money “

The M1 Tank  “ a waste of money “,“ plagued with  malfunctions“, “will be useless in a dessert environment because it employs a turbine engines “

I think deliberately misleading voters on Weapons and military hardware that our armed forces may have to use in harms way is tantamount to treason.

What has history shown us on these issues ? They never have to be held accountable, Except to me ! I don't pack a lot of Pull.

In my book,
Someone who rapes a lot becomes known as a rapist
Someone who steals a lot becomes known as a  thief
Someone who lies a lot becomes known as a liar

People turned away from their message for one reason or another and this led to the rise in talk radio and other News sources. Needles to say The loss of their monopoly has really pissed them off. So be it.

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Hunter/Jumper wrote:

How about giving 27 specific example to show a pattern ?
Objection !Your Honor, this evidence showing my client complacent in 27 different acts of crime dose in no way prove he is a criminal ! Sustained.

Katie Curic asks hero lady cop Who was wounded in gun battle" You must be glad the Brady Bill Passed ?”

Hero lady cop: " No that just impedes honest people by making it harder to protect themselves, it wont impede criminals who don't follow laws and never get their guns legally anyway "

Interview instantly ends, cut to Bryant Gumball who was not expecting to be put on the air so soon and was obviously unprepared, he just stared slack jawed. Lady cop got no further mention,

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

How does that show media bias?  Because Katie Couric didn't get the answer she wanted?  Surely CBS Evening News has a vested interest in supporting the Brady Bill, right?

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

YES it does show bias. (it surprised them) Because Katie Couric didn't get the answer she wanted she terminated a live interview.  It was live, They thought they had good material. When it wasn’t what they wanted to hear, they Terminated the interview. What threw you, what did you miss ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Never mind that the bill was proposed and named after a REPUBLICAN politician.

what relevance does this have ?

Are you going to tell me that Gun Control is a Republican Banner issue? Pretty weak, Lets not discuss it here any further.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

24. after several weeks on end of European tourist being assaulted and robbed at Florida airports ( on their way to Disney World) NBC news sent down a reporter.

Katie Couric asks : "why are they targeting only tourist now ?"
Local DA answers : " well in a fit of frustration in its inability to fight crime, Florida just greatly relaxed its concealed carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves, Our  crime rate really dropped of and these dirt bags know the only people they can approach safely are people who just passed through a metal detector, "laughs" "

The interview abruptly ends.   The success of  Florida's greatly relaxed concealed carry gun laws making it much easier for honest citizens to protect themselves and instantly and drastically reducing crime? Well, that's just not news is it. Not News we should hear anyway. Its not in our interests to know the truth ?
http://newsbusters.org/node/13437
Sorry I saw these News programs Ken, Should I try and forget I did ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Sounds like you think Katie Couric has an agenda.  There could be no way that criminals are attacking tourists from Europe (who would not even be allowed to have CCW permits in Florida) because they are opportunistic.  No, they are attacking the tourists at Airports because they know they can't carry concealed weapons.  Why would Katie Couric's show ( not a live program ) even air these programs if they were so detrimental to the "left wing" causes?

Because that time it was live. NBC does not have a Studio at Miami Airport. They were on the scene.

You seem to be led of the track rather easily, Is this Deliberate ?
The Point was allowing citizens legal access to Fire Arms provided an instant and effective deterrent to crime and the Networks didn’t want to put out that message. They cut the program short.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Sounds like you think Katie Couric has an agenda.

You don’t think Katie Couric Cuts live interviews at her own behest? She’s a pretty face & tits.
You don’t think Katie Couric Really writes her own material ?
You don’t think Katie Couric Investigates her own leads ?
You don’t think Katie Couric decides what stories to cover do you ?
Or are you being deliberately obtuse as some half hearted evasive tactic.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

25. Phil Donahue asks a women how she saved herself from a disgruntle employee on a killing spree.

She answers "My friend said " get the gun in your purse "he heard that and spun and bolted down the hall, I always carry a gun, once A guy tried to rape me." A roaring Cheer goes up from the audience.

Phil (very angry) yells "that's another show " repeatedly till cries `die down. Obviously not what he was looking to promote. not the agenda.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Oh, I forgot, the Phil Donahue show was a bastion for news and liberal thought.  Why not quote Jerry Springer or Ricki Lake?

you seem to forget a lot. It seemed to me Phil dint want his audience to had in a particular direction, when they did do a  NRA segment they heavily stacked the deck.

Jerry Springer or Ricki Lake, ? Never saw those shows, Sorry. But aren’t they just  Sexploitation and sensationalism not really current events ?  Why not try and debate ?

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Why does the Media support a left wing political agenda if it isn’t biased ?
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalert … 021028.asp

Show me an unbiased Report on any Gun Control Bill Measure.

The Very fact that They still use the term “ Assault Rifle “ when referring to Semi-Automatic Ban is Proof alone of Bias.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Gun Control is a left-leaning issue?  Gun control is a social issue, not a political one.  Anyone for gun control is liberal, anyone against gun control is conservative?  Bullshit.

Glad you think so. Don’t address the issue or any topic within, like the term “ assault rifle ”  ?You stand alone if you believe gun owners have the support of Liberals. Again I ask, Show me an unbiased Report on any Gun Control Bill Measure. Sounds like the basis for a poll.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I've seen Last of The Mohicans.  In fact I read the book before I saw the movie, and I thought it was a great movie.  Hollywood SELLING A STORY has nothing to do with left-leaning bias in the media.  Does anyone disagree with me there?

No left wing Bias in Hollywood ? lol


You really went after the Scorching hardballs huh ? Did you read or understand my Take on the Revisionist history ? I realize that one is a stretch bordering on paranoia but it had an Orwellian feeling to it.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Calling GHW Bush a "bonified war hero" is wrong.

He is in my book, He is to date also the Youngest Naval aviator. He was Awarded The Distinguished Flying Cross. A double volunteer in a no Quarter theater of war where even the Great distances traveled over the Sea using rudimentary forms of navigation were an extreme peril to Airman. Not to mention Carrier aviation in General Which though very advanced since then is Still extremely dangerous. Since you are questioning his Honor, What did you do when you were 17? More to the point what did Clinton do ? not inhale ?
His resume’ looks a lot sharper than anyone’s here.

. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

When I was 17 I was in rehab bud.  It changed my life.

I don’t know how to take this statement, Are you acquiescing to G. H. Bush ?
Is going to rehab “ A right of passage “ to manhood or some similar accomplishment in your opinion ?
Out of curiosity what chemical or combination there of  was your particular weakness  ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

That's your opinion.  He was a dedicated soldier, no doubt.  Chesty Puller is a "bonified war hero".  John Basilone *  is a "bonified war hero".  GHWB was a good soldier,

Naval Aviator

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

not a war hero in my book.  But that IS debatable.

* men like this are heroes  in a class by themselves.  But. . . . .

Again you are drifting of topic.  The topic was.

In 1992 when the best the Democrats had to offer was a man who avoided military service

vs. a man who sought out a place at the Tip of his countries spear in a brutal No Quarter War ( you cant deny this can you ? )

We were told by the Mass Media “ this is not a viable issue “ That “was the result of their Un-Biased Polling so that’s why they didn’t  do pieces on the Topic ”

In 2004 when we had to men, one who saw and one who didn’t see combat.
The same issue was placed at the Forefront when the Democrats had the upper hand in the Military service department, I asked why ?
You are side stepping this issue with the “ Is G. H. Bush a hero ? “ debate.
With your interpretation of the word, Martian Luther King Jr. is not a hero. Madam Curie is not a hero. Neil Armstrong  any Fireman etc. Lets move on., Please.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Never have I been a self-proclaimed liberal.

Sorry! I thought you were from reading many of your past posts.
Here is a link to one. Your in the lower left. Right next to Bubulo
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=71605

OK here is a brief if somewhat simplistic graphical depiction of how we  think.
On the test, I scored +1.1 Almost dead center. That’s as close to independent as any one came on “the Right“. You seem to be in a Three way tie for Second most liberal. Nipping a Bubalo’s heals !
According to the Political Map, It seems you are what you currently deny being ( tuff way to go through life ! )
I seem to be more who You actually claim to be. Strange ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I am a free-thinker.

Do You freely think Liberal thoughts ?

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I am not bound or constrained by a label that others feel I need to be able to look at me and understand my "platform".

Lucky for you eh ! See above Graphic lol

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

I would love your "dissenting, divergent opinion" if it truly was dissenting and divergent, instead of the same bile thrown up by people (for what reason I don't know)

More insults ! I knew you had it in you, I think I know why.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

… who claim that the MSM is liberally or left biased.  I have said before, look at left-leaning ideology - Social Justice, Civil/Human Rights Equality, Socialized Health care, Decentralization of Government,

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

left-leaning ideology - Social Justice,

Is this really the case ? Haven’t certain murderers ( tookie) won the Noble Peace Prize? Is that Social justice at work? Isn’t it a fact that some cases garner more attention then others that are Non-Liberal? They sought social justice for Anita Hill, But none For Jennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey and Anitita Broaderick for example. Can you really call that justice ? Seems like more of an agenda to me.

Civil/Human Rights Equality, I think we are all equal here. What they are seeking now is Equality of out come. Sorry I cant sign off on that.
Just for an example, As a conservative, I don’t want to Share what I earned Do you believe my statement ?
Do you want to share what you earned ? Will I believe your answer I wonder?

Socialized Health care, That works really well in Canada. Is that why everyone come to the USA for specialized medical care? Ever here of some one you know “ Flying into Canada for a specialized care “ ? Decentralization of Government Please ! I am speaking of the Reality of these groups and there goals current and historically since 1950. According to you Liberals  are not well entrenched in the Anti Gun camp.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

etc.  The MSM DOES NOT PROMOTE ANY OF THESE.  It promotes stories that sell.

Fox News states ( I’m paraphrasing ) “ We will report the News but we wont show the enemies propaganda. We don’t feel the need and it doesn’t  have any real bearing on the facts presented to show stock footage of U.S. troops being hurt “  While CNN ran the Juba the Sniper tape the week before the Election Why Ken? It wasn’t “NEWS” it was in fact very old. What then was their purpose? Give it some of your vaunted free thought will you? 

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

And people like you are too enamored* trying to prove that CNN is left leaning

I think I just proved it in fact.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

when the reality is they are a corporation trying to make money, not trying to inform you or convince you to follow "their" beliefs.

Since Fox News has the Highest Ratings, it shoots down your theory. Care to re-imagine a New Position on the topic ?

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Liberal Left is always  BIG GOVERNMENT an the Conservative voter base is not [/b] this alone will undue / annihilate your entire argument .

Why should “ Main Stream Media “ Support Any type of Government. Their supposed to report news. This alone is Bias.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Liberal Left is not always BIG GOVERNMENT.  The current president (A Republican/right-wing/not left/not liberal) is responsible for the largest increase in our government in at least 50 years.  The Green Party, a self-described left-leaning party, has a platform of reducing the size of government - that is, decentralization through state, county, and city governments.  Your blanket statement is way off.

it’s a blanket statement agreed, but we are talking in generalities. Im sure there are one or two liberals who go to Nascar races.  The greens party is not really the Topic. Nor are they a realistic Political force outside of Tribecca NYC. I didn’t tout Bush as a prime example of Conservatism at work. You did.  However,  Bush is big government only because we need to modernize our Military and Intelligence services to meet a new threat . Pretending we weren’t attacked doesn’t work well. It was tried.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Please be patient as I don’t employ a staff and can only recount them from memory as best as I can

1. Reagan’s New Tax plan is refereed to with laughter as " Reaganomics " on all the Networks,
http://www.answers.com/topic/reaganomics?cat=biz-fin
when its effects start to kick in with fantastic results, its only referred to as " the recovery "

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Reagan fucked up our economy.  He had a flawed economic plan.  That is a fact Jack.  And both sides used the term "Reaganomics".  Reduce taxes and spend more.  What a sound economic policy.

Actually it Was J.F.Kennedys Tax plan recycled.
It’s a fact that reducing taxes on consumers allows them to spend more and actually increases the tax base.
You can’t tax your way into prosperity. The GNP was out pacing the Deficit and would eventually over come it as it was plotted. Further, Reagan’s primary focus was on defeating the USSR which he went and did. A sound sense of priorities in My opinion. With The USSR vanquished G.H. Bush. Faced a mild recession when  the defense industry went on hard times. clinton had the basic Reagan tax plan unaltered with minimal defense  spending needed . Previously it had been 1/3 of our budget. It seemed to work out well.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

2. In 1992 when G.H. Bush ( a bonafied War Hero, Veteran, The Youngest Navy Aviator ) Faced a
Draft dodger bill clinton who had even written his elected officials a letter stating that "he loathed the military"
http://www.1stcavmedic.com/bill-clinton-draft.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline … etter.html

The media tells the electorate " People don't care about that and don't want to know about the candidates past "  and "Character doesn't matter "

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

The media tells the electorate?  What?  Please provide links to this so-called mandate from the media.  And the Bill Clinton "loathed the military" letter is half-truth.  Taken out of context (probably by a biased news site).  Here is the excerpt, from your own source (which you obviously forgot to read):
And that is where I am now, writing to you because you have been good to me and have a right to know what I think and feel. I am writing too in the hope that my telling this one story will help you to understand more clearly how so many fine people have come to find themselves still loving their country but loathing the military, to which you and other good men have devoted years, lifetimes, of the best service you could give."

The MSM conveniently played down the fact that GWB went AWOL during his Texas National Guard days, snorted cocaine, and drank heavily even AFTER claiming to be sober.  That darned liberal media at it again!

that’s funny, I heard all about it.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

“The first time I voted in a governmental election was during college, which, as it happens, was in New Orleans at Tulane University. In the national election of 1992, we of course had Bush père and Bill Clinton. On campus, (and I can only assume elsewhere), the major argument against Clinton was that he lacked character. Personally, I wasn’t the biggest fan of the elder Bush, but it was amazing to me — and I mean “jaw dropping” — that the mantra of Clinton supporters on campus essentially became “Character Doesn’t Matter!”http://striderweb.com/blog/2005/09/

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

So you are quoting a blogger with a stated right-wing bias as an example of left-wing bias.  K.

This was my point from the start about hyperlinks ken. Glad you got spooled up on the issue.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

Who could forget the 1996 election when it was vogue to Identify any Republican attempt at a Campaign add as “ Mean spirited “
http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalert … 961006.asp

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Yeah, it was vogue to identify ANY republican attempt at a campaign.  Your source cites one example, a comment made by 1 person at NBC.  Clearly a part of the vast, left-wing media conspiracy.

How many hyperlinks do you want ken?, after just telling me Hyperlinks can have a bias. Exhausting.

Hunter/Jumper wrote:

4. In 2000 when a Vietnam era vet who never saw combat Faced a Vietnam era vet who saw combat limited combat   This was suddenly of the Utmost  importance. John kerry's Combat experience!

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Woah, calling Bush a Vietnam era Vet?  That's not stretching it at all now is it.  I am sure my dad (who is a Vietnam Vet) will be glad to hear that a guy AWOL from the Texas National Guard (probably blowing coke somewhere, its pretty hard to find information on where GWB was) is referred to as a Vietnam Vet.

Vietnam Era Vet. Stay current and read carefully please.

Plus I toned it down for you to make the essence of my observation clearer.
  Your point is Duly noted.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

And the media didn't comment on John Kerry's combat experience at all did they?  They didn't have interviews with his fellow soldiers and Swift Boat Veterans did they?

They could have buried him with his appearance on the Dick Cavete Show. They didn’t air it. Why ?

So you are admitting that Military Service became an issue to the Mass Media in 2004 (even if you did kinda back into it, ) works for me.

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

That's all for right now.  I will come back a little later and update.  The fact remains though H/J - you still are not providing links to back up your claims.  Linking a definition of "Reaganomics" with a claim that the news channels laughed about it is not proof.  Give me links of news shows referring to the term "Reaganomics" and making snide comments, or something to that effect.

I thought I did ?
Laughing at his economic policy’s ( before they became effective )when you are sopposed to be an unbiased news network  is not as bad as a snide comment ? You actually want a link showing a Snide comment specifically. What should they be wearing. Is it ok if the set of the News desk has that bad 1980s Disco Lighting? 

As I said before It is “ Debate and Serious Talk “ Not “ News Facts and Hyperlinks “ The last not mutually inclusive of the first two. I gave you my observations and backed them up to the available news sources.
A case in point:
It is hard for example to google even a  news article from 2002 ( fairly recent ) about a NYC teacher

( a self professed liberal to boot thought you’d enjoy that )

telling his first grade students who had just watched with awe “ The Blue Angles “ perform.

“ The Blue Angels are really bombers. They might bomb our school and you too ! Lets all write letters to the Blue Angels asking them to please not kill us “

The recent “ Blue Angels protest in San Francisco has  eradicated any effort to successfully find it.

* awkward.

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Turquoise wrote:

Hunter, I'm going to concede with you on one thing...  Entertainment in film and TV is undoubtedly liberal.  Everyone knows Hollywood is liberal.

The debate is whether or not news media overall is liberal.

I thought Starship Troopers was an anti-liberal movie

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter, I'm going to concede with you on one thing...  Entertainment in film and TV is undoubtedly liberal.  Everyone knows Hollywood is liberal.

The debate is whether or not news media overall is liberal.

It is very liberal and I don't have to post essays to prove it to myself..just turn on the TV...I will say this, the national news is liberal (ABC,NBC,CBS), the local news is crap...nothing but negative, scare mongering trash-I no longer watch my local news and cable news is mixed. You could say that cable news is more conservative only because the conservative channels are hugely popular so the majority of people do watch conservative leaning channels on cable. Do I care? No, because I believe what I believe and live life according to my moral code.

DeathBecomesYu wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Hunter, I'm going to concede with you on one thing...  Entertainment in film and TV is undoubtedly liberal.  Everyone knows Hollywood is liberal.

The debate is whether or not news media overall is liberal.

It is very liberal and I don't have to post essays to prove it to myself..just turn on the TV...I will say this, the national news is liberal (ABC,NBC,CBS), the local news is crap...nothing but negative, scare mongering trash-I no longer watch my local news and cable news is mixed. You could say that cable news is more conservative only because the conservative channels are hugely popular so the majority of people do watch conservative leaning channels on cable. Do I care? No, because I believe what I believe and live life according to my moral code.

See, I prefer to believe in facts.  I don't go with my "gut", but Stephen Colbert appreciates your way of thinking.