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What is your stance on global warming?

It wont affect me in my lifetime, therefore I dont care11%11% - 16
We must protect the future generations by acting now60%60% - 84
Global warming is a myth28%28% - 39
Total: 139
2007-06-23 23:14:21
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6959|Canberra, AUS

Kmarion wrote:

Spark wrote:



Volcanism is a major contributor to CO2 levels, true. But they are not overall very good warmers. In fact, they are much better global COOLERS than global warmers (have none of you heard of volcanic winter?, due to the levels of SO's they produce. In any case...
http://dsc.discovery.com/convergence/su … ctive.html
Well, that proves my point basically. Far from causing runaway heating, volcanoes would cause runaway cooling.

Interesting thought though, supervolcano.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-06-24 04:53:09
V1king
Member
+10|6439|Land of crocs and cane toads

Spark wrote:

V1king wrote:

Interesting topic and some fantstic replies!

I'm just waiting for a major catastrophe to take place.  I hear yellowstone's super volcanoe is due for eruption anytime soon which should wipe out a 300km radius within minutes (these ones will be burnt to a crisp), the rest of the US in days and lucky last me here in Oz in about 21 days (We will suffocate from a sulpluric atmosphere and vocanic dust choking our lungs).  Should be fun and I might even throw a party to celebrate the rebirth of a new species.  The dinosaurs couldn't be that dumb as they lasted well over a million years to our miniscure presence.  THe ice age killed them as we know.

Yes, I do care about the enviroment but 6 billion on this planet just can't be justified anymore, especially with the modern era of fossil fuels being our most sort after comodity to live the style of life we do.

Solution?   Stop screwing around and having babies cos your offspring account to the ever growing over population of this planet.
And hence this causes economic collapse across the world as a stressed, shrinking working class has to take care of a huge, ever-growing aging population.
Yes it would but I'd rather have my life without economics than no decent life with it.  Too much emphasis on money!  Here's a scaled down version of it.  Imagine being in a 4 bedroom house (say 25 squares of living area)  1 square=9 square mtr's for reference.  Now populate it with 50 people and tell me now if you could live in it comfortably.  If you say yes then maybe live in India or China were living standards are just that. Cramped, busy, unwelcoming living standards, etc...  I've been there and seen it first hand and believe me, it ain't pretty.

More people means more resources are being used more housing, more rainforests cut down, more mining, more time at the car park looking for a parking spot and less quality of life.  In the end, money won't mean jack if we can't even grow a crop due to salinity or worse still, no room for a crop cos housing now exists there.  There has to be a limit at some point and now is the perfect time to act on it.

My super volcano quote was just chucked in for good measures btw as it would be a natural disaster like this that would recify many problems.  I wasn't referring it to being a heavy polluter.  For the record, the magna pit that lies only one 1 km below the surface is 11 times the size of New York and 8 km's deep.  The crater perimeter is 150km's across at ground level so it would be one hell of a kaboom....  It's a good thing that "Old Faithful" lets off steam frequently as this is the only thing stopping it from blowing its stack atm.
2007-06-24 11:46:43
CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6854|Portland, OR, USA

V1king wrote:

Spark wrote:

V1king wrote:

Interesting topic and some fantstic replies!

I'm just waiting for a major catastrophe to take place.  I hear yellowstone's super volcanoe is due for eruption anytime soon which should wipe out a 300km radius within minutes (these ones will be burnt to a crisp), the rest of the US in days and lucky last me here in Oz in about 21 days (We will suffocate from a sulpluric atmosphere and vocanic dust choking our lungs).  Should be fun and I might even throw a party to celebrate the rebirth of a new species.  The dinosaurs couldn't be that dumb as they lasted well over a million years to our miniscure presence.  THe ice age killed them as we know.

Yes, I do care about the enviroment but 6 billion on this planet just can't be justified anymore, especially with the modern era of fossil fuels being our most sort after comodity to live the style of life we do.

Solution?   Stop screwing around and having babies cos your offspring account to the ever growing over population of this planet.
And hence this causes economic collapse across the world as a stressed, shrinking working class has to take care of a huge, ever-growing aging population.
Yes it would but I'd rather have my life without economics than no decent life with it.  Too much emphasis on money!  Here's a scaled down version of it.  Imagine being in a 4 bedroom house (say 25 squares of living area)  1 square=9 square mtr's for reference.  Now populate it with 50 people and tell me now if you could live in it comfortably.  If you say yes then maybe live in India or China were living standards are just that. Cramped, busy, unwelcoming living standards, etc...  I've been there and seen it first hand and believe me, it ain't pretty.

More people means more resources are being used more housing, more rainforests cut down, more mining, more time at the car park looking for a parking spot and less quality of life.  In the end, money won't mean jack if we can't even grow a crop due to salinity or worse still, no room for a crop cos housing now exists there.  There has to be a limit at some point and now is the perfect time to act on it.

My super volcano quote was just chucked in for good measures btw as it would be a natural disaster like this that would recify many problems.  I wasn't referring it to being a heavy polluter.  For the record, the magna pit that lies only one 1 km below the surface is 11 times the size of New York and 8 km's deep.  The crater perimeter is 150km's across at ground level so it would be one hell of a kaboom....  It's a good thing that "Old Faithful" lets off steam frequently as this is the only thing stopping it from blowing its stack atm.
so true.  Limit it to 2 kids per couple.

I don't care what you're religious beliefs are tbh... they shouldn't impede on my right to live.. decently.  there's no need for 10 billion humans, and honestly, quality of life would be in the shitter.  However, it's only a matter of time before a pandemic fucks over half the population... too bad we can't think ahead...


...at all
2007-06-24 22:35:10
V1king
Member
+10|6439|Land of crocs and cane toads
I'm not religious...lol   and yeah, 10 billion people is scary.  I suppose when alot of warm blooded creatures live in a tight knit enviroment, the potential for diseases to harbour and spread are more frequent.  This could be what eventually eliminates the overcrowding of our planet.  We've had a few scares with bird flu, SARS, etc...  What will the next outbreak be?  Only time will tell.
2007-06-24 22:54:29
Smithereener
Member
+138|6600|California

V1king wrote:

I'm not religious...lol   and yeah, 10 billion people is scary.  I suppose when alot of warm blooded creatures live in a tight knit enviroment, the potential for diseases to harbour and spread are more frequent.  This could be what eventually eliminates the overcrowding of our planet.  We've had a few scares with bird flu, SARS, etc...  What will the next outbreak be?  Only time will tell.
Ebola? Probably not, but it'd be scary if it did.

As for the OP, I'm not really a firm believer in global warming; I feel like it's just overhyped. However, I do feel that all the stuff that we're putting into the atmosphere, even if it isn't the cause of GW, is defenitely not good for the planet or ourselves. So we should do what we can to limit carbon emissions. I know it's impossible to stop it (natural things like volcanoes) but I'm sure we could limit our emissions. Plus, it can't hurt to stop pollution.
2007-06-24 23:31:01
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6959|Canberra, AUS

V1king wrote:

I'm not religious...lol   and yeah, 10 billion people is scary.  I suppose when alot of warm blooded creatures live in a tight knit enviroment, the potential for diseases to harbour and spread are more frequent.  This could be what eventually eliminates the overcrowding of our planet.  We've had a few scares with bird flu, SARS, etc...  What will the next outbreak be?  Only time will tell.
Probably a repeat of the Great Spanish Flu from the H5N1 virus (same strain essentially, some differences)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-06-24 23:35:01
officer_matt
I eat noobs for breakfast
+23|6513|Switzerland

Miller wrote:

Myth. At least in the terms of humans causing it.
2007-06-24 23:43:41
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6959|Canberra, AUS

officer_matt wrote:

Miller wrote:

Myth. At least in the terms of humans causing it.
Got anything to back that up? Or is it just more comfortable to think that you can pour shit on the planet and it won't matter?
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-06-24 23:52:34
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7050|Cambridge (UK)
Other: Global warming is real. I'm not 100% sure it's caused by man. But, cleaning up the environment, changing to renewable energy, etc, etc, are all a 'good thingTM' anyway, for numerous reasons, so we might as well.
2007-06-25 00:15:58
V1king
Member
+10|6439|Land of crocs and cane toads
Apart from the Carbon dioxide we breath out, forgetting about other emissions we pollute with, I heard not so long ago something about methane gas (you know we all fart) and plays a factor in pollution, I kid you not.  I'll have to find something to back that up but it's a contributing factor to poor air quality from what I've heard.

6 billion people with about 20 farts each=120 billion farts per day worldwide.  Time to stop eating curries I think...lol
2007-06-25 00:47:14
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6959|Canberra, AUS

V1king wrote:

Apart from the Carbon dioxide we breath out, forgetting about other emissions we pollute with, I heard not so long ago something about methane gas (you know we all fart) and plays a factor in pollution, I kid you not.  I'll have to find something to back that up but it's a contributing factor to poor air quality from what I've heard.

6 billion people with about 20 farts each=120 billion farts per day worldwide.  Time to stop eating curries I think...lol
I'm surprised you merely 'heard' about it. CH4 is the second most important greehouse gas.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-06-25 02:00:01
PureFodder
Member
+225|6569

Spark wrote:

V1king wrote:

Apart from the Carbon dioxide we breath out, forgetting about other emissions we pollute with, I heard not so long ago something about methane gas (you know we all fart) and plays a factor in pollution, I kid you not.  I'll have to find something to back that up but it's a contributing factor to poor air quality from what I've heard.

6 billion people with about 20 farts each=120 billion farts per day worldwide.  Time to stop eating curries I think...lol
I'm surprised you merely 'heard' about it. CH4 is the second most important greehouse gas.
But it's not very stable in the atmosphere, unlike CO2 that can hang around for centuries.
2007-06-25 02:25:38
PureFodder
Member
+225|6569
My view is that on the topic of global warming you really have two choices;

a) Trust the tens of thousands of scientists, some of the most brilliant and clever people our species has to offer, that have spent years researching, taking data, making theories, running models, testing confirming disproving and refining the human races knowledge about this large and complicated system. Actually look at their massive amounts of data that backs up their position.

b) Trust what some bloke off the internet says, despite having no experience in the subject, having no data to back up arguments, an entirely biased viewpoint and no qualifications to suggest that even if presented with the data, would be able to understand it.

An analogy to this for all those who go with 'b'; When your car starts making funny noises do you go to a garage and ask a mechanic, or go find a Burger King Employee? Someone with a lifetimes experience of diagnosing and repairing cars, or someone who knows nothing about it?


Even if you don't believe them for some strange reason, cutting down pollution is a really good idea anyway. Getting away from fossil fuel based energy production removes the dependence on foreign oil supply, extends the feedstock for plastics production and reducing pollution has obvious public health benefits.
2007-06-25 05:25:14
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6865|SE London

Spark wrote:

Blehm98 wrote:

what about the guy who says that its primarily because of solar activity?  No one ever links to him, and he presents a pretty strong argument against humans causing global warming.  Can't remember his name though, i'll look it up later
This wouldn't be the same guy who made 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' and has been thoroughly discredited here and everywhere?
The guy who wrote the paper usmarine linked to (Z. Jaworowski) contributed to that, he also believes that due to decreasing solar activity we are about to be plunged into a new ice age very soon, 2021 I think.

He makes a lot of very stupid sounding claims about the climate which have pissed off a lot of his peers, many of whom do not take him seriously anymore.
2007-06-25 06:10:27
JahManRed
wank
+646|6912|IRELAND

We must protect the future generations by acting now

Just like the middle east situation I am passionate about global warming because it has the potential to affect my son. I only started caring about both, when he came along.
2007-06-25 06:15:10
d4rkst4r
biggie smalls
+72|6737|Ontario, Canada
For all you people who say Humans could not have done this, have you seen the damage that China is doing to the world? Their industrial and manufacturing is doing horrific things to the earth.
"you know life is what we make it, and a chance is like a picture, it'd be nice if you just take it"
2007-06-25 07:20:34
weerdfoo1
Banned
+26|6449|California

d4rkst4r wrote:

For all you people who say Humans could not have done this, have you seen the damage that China is doing to the world? Their industrial and manufacturing is doing horrific things to the earth.
The US is also nearly just as bad if not as bad
2007-06-25 07:39:44
BVC
Member
+325|6979
I tend towards the "global warming is real" side of the debate as to whether it exists, but as there are good arguments against its existence, I accept that it may not exist or that (far more likely) it isn't as severe as we believe it to be.

Nevertheless, I voted We must protect the future generations by acting now.

Why?  Its been proven over and over again that pollution is bad.  Even if global warming is not happening, the message remains the same; take care of this planet, its the only one we've got.
2007-06-25 07:47:08
PureFodder
Member
+225|6569

weerdfoo1 wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

For all you people who say Humans could not have done this, have you seen the damage that China is doing to the world? Their industrial and manufacturing is doing horrific things to the earth.
The US is also nearly just as bad if not as bad
One thing China are particuarly bad for (the USA being nowhere near as bad) is utterly poisoning and abusing their rivers. If you want to fish you'd better go way, way upstream of the main rivers because once they've passed a few cities they become the most foul, polluted cess-pools of horror you can imagine.
2007-06-25 08:05:14
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6865|SE London

PureFodder wrote:

weerdfoo1 wrote:

d4rkst4r wrote:

For all you people who say Humans could not have done this, have you seen the damage that China is doing to the world? Their industrial and manufacturing is doing horrific things to the earth.
The US is also nearly just as bad if not as bad
One thing China are particuarly bad for (the USA being nowhere near as bad) is utterly poisoning and abusing their rivers. If you want to fish you'd better go way, way upstream of the main rivers because once they've passed a few cities they become the most foul, polluted cess-pools of horror you can imagine.
Which has what to do with climate change?

The US have expelled far more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than China have. It'll take them quite a while to catch up - especially since they only just overtook the US as the worlds biggest polluter very, very recently.

America has to take responsibility for their emissions. I see so much of this, "oh China pollute this much", "India will pollute this much" - shut the fuck up and take responsibility for your own emissions. Stop blaming China, who haven't contributed so much to this problem, and do something about it.

Last edited by Bertster7 (2007-06-25 08:23:05)

2007-06-25 08:07:02
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6507|Escea

Spark wrote:

officer_matt wrote:

Miller wrote:

Myth. At least in the terms of humans causing it.
Got anything to back that up? Or is it just more comfortable to think that you can pour shit on the planet and it won't matter?
Check the ice cores, lots of evidence there of past heating and cooling, global warming being caused by humans is way overhyped. Yes we contribute but its a miniscule amount. Also when you hear reports of like the worst flood since 1953 is due to Global warming, was global warming responsible for that flood in 1953 and where was it in the years since? Ponder over that one for a moment.
2007-06-25 08:29:40
Bertster7
Confused Pothead
+1,101|6865|SE London

M.O.A.B wrote:

Spark wrote:

officer_matt wrote:


Got anything to back that up? Or is it just more comfortable to think that you can pour shit on the planet and it won't matter?
Check the ice cores, lots of evidence there of past heating and cooling, global warming being caused by humans is way overhyped. Yes we contribute but its a miniscule amount. Also when you hear reports of like the worst flood since 1953 is due to Global warming, was global warming responsible for that flood in 1953 and where was it in the years since? Ponder over that one for a moment.
It's interesting that the people who claim that human contributions are so small and that people can't have changed the climate, never actually produce any substantial evidence to back up their claims. It's disappointing really.
2007-06-25 08:44:35
Scorpion0x17
can detect anyone's visible post count...
+691|7050|Cambridge (UK)

PureFodder wrote:

My view is that on the topic of global warming you really have two choices;

a) Trust the tens of thousands of scientists, some of the most brilliant and clever people our species has to offer, that have spent years researching, taking data, making theories, running models, testing confirming disproving and refining the human races knowledge about this large and complicated system. Actually look at their massive amounts of data that backs up their position.

b) Trust what some bloke off the internet says, despite having no experience in the subject, having no data to back up arguments, an entirely biased viewpoint and no qualifications to suggest that even if presented with the data, would be able to understand it.
And, if you do a) in a truly unbiased manner, you will discover two things:

1) Tens of thousands of scientists (some of the most brilliant and clever people our species has to offer, that have spent years researching, taking data, making theories, running models, testing confirming disproving and refining the human races knowledge about this large and complicated system) have reached the hypothesis that global-warming is man made.

2) An ever growing number of other scientists (some of the most brilliant and clever people our species has to offer, that have spent years researching, taking data, making theories, running models, testing confirming disproving and refining the human races knowledge about this large and complicated system) have reached the hypothesis that global-warming is not man made.

Last edited by Scorpion0x17 (2007-06-25 08:48:28)

2007-06-25 08:47:20
PureFodder
Member
+225|6569

Bertster7 wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

weerdfoo1 wrote:


The US is also nearly just as bad if not as bad
One thing China are particuarly bad for (the USA being nowhere near as bad) is utterly poisoning and abusing their rivers. If you want to fish you'd better go way, way upstream of the main rivers because once they've passed a few cities they become the most foul, polluted cess-pools of horror you can imagine.
Which has what to do with climate change?

The US have expelled far more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than China have. It'll take them quite a while to catch up - especially since they only just overtook the US as the worlds biggest polluter very, very recently.

America has to take responsibility for their emissions. I see so much of this, "oh China pollute this much", "India will pollute this much" - shut the fuck up and take responsibility for your own emissions. Stop blaming China, who haven't contributed so much to this problem, and do something about it.
I was responding to the slightly off topic comments above, I agree that China isn't as bad as many western countries (per populace) in atmospheric pollution, but certainly looks on course to catch up, and the evidence suggests they have very little regard for environmental issues.
2007-06-25 08:49:46
Snowmanimal
Not so unique forum title
+30|6827|My head
CFC's and other -FC's in the atmosphere do not help.  It also does not help that developing nations do not have the standards for releasing chemicals/pollutants into the air.  That is a major concern and major problem.

 

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