Poll

What is your stance on global warming?

It wont affect me in my lifetime, therefore I dont care11%11% - 16
We must protect the future generations by acting now60%60% - 84
Global warming is a myth28%28% - 39
Total: 139
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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6747|Tyne & Wear, England
Vote and discuss.

I am of the opinion that global warming, is a real and genuine problem, and have heard numerous people say "it will not affect me in my lifetime, therefore I don't care".  However I feel that as the current "stewards" of planet earth we have an obligation to protect our future generations and life in general.  I do not want my children's children growing up in a world which is ravaged by poverty and and war because of a lack of resources.

Last edited by KILLSWITCH (2007-06-23 11:49:36)

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Mitch
16 more years
+877|6809|South Florida
Well i dont know my opinion on global warming, but what i do know, is in the next 70 years, i will live. And i should live my life as awesome as possible. And afterwards, the earth could be destroyed by a meteor for all i care, because i'll be dead and i wont have a care, and thats the point.
15 more years! 15 more years!
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6905|London, England
Global Warming is real, whether that's upto natural earthly patterns or SUV's I'm not so sure, probably both. Whatever the case, we need to cut down on pollution for health and environmental reasons and we need to prepare for Climate change so we don't get fucked over when it happens.

So none of your options in the poll, Null Vote.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2007-06-23 11:50:58)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6731|Chicago, IL
Global warming is overrated.  As I've said before, earth is cooler now than it has been for most of its history, so a return to normal is not necessarily a bad thing.  Yes, climate change drives ill adapted species to extinction, and forces surviving species to migrate, but that is the natural cycle of nature and evolution.

Humans have only been on the earth for 200,000 years, and have only monitored the temperatures for 200 years, it is incredibly naive to assume that our current climate is the optimal climate.

Yeah, pollution is bad, I don't want a deep breath of sulfur dioxide any more than the next guy, but trying to frantically cool off our planet, and dealing out doomsday theories to those who don't care, isn't the best way to go about it.

Frankly, Earth has survived ice ages, meltdowns, comet strikes, and solar radiation spikes, and come through it all unscathed, so I'm not that worried.  Besides, humans are the most resourceful creatures in history, and I'm sure we can deal with a few more degrees on the thermometer.
Ryan
Member
+1,230|7127|Alberta, Canada

Definitely not a myth.

A decade ago, it was usually around 20-24 degrees Celsius in June (where I live)
Now it's around 30-40 degrees.
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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6747|Tyne & Wear, England

Ryan wrote:

Definitely not a myth.

A decade ago, it was usually around 20-24 degrees Celsius in June (where I live)
Now it's around 30-40 degrees.
Lol it was 23 yesterday and I was sweating my balls off.  You can tell the English have been deprived of good weather.
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usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7046

Ryan wrote:

Definitely not a myth.

A decade ago, it was usually around 20-24 degrees Celsius in June (where I live)
Now it's around 30-40 degrees.
One Christmas Day in Cleveland, Ohio it was 70 degrees.

The next year on Christmas, it was -20 degrees.

And this was many many years ago.

So using that as an indicator is false IMO.
Miller
IT'S MILLER TIME!
+271|7040|United States of America
Myth. At least in the terms of humans causing it.
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6731|Chicago, IL

usmarine2005 wrote:

Ryan wrote:

Definitely not a myth.

A decade ago, it was usually around 20-24 degrees Celsius in June (where I live)
Now it's around 30-40 degrees.
One Christmas Day in Cleveland, Ohio it was 70 degrees.

The next year on Christmas, it was -20 degrees.

And this was many many years ago.

So using that as an indicator is false IMO.
haha, it was 65 degrees farenheight in chicago on new years eve last year, then 20 degrees in april.  The midwest has such wild temperature swings that you can never use it as a basis for an argument.

It's 65 today, gonna be 90 tomorrow...  92 monday... 95 tuesday...
imortal
Member
+240|6949|Austin, TX

S.Lythberg wrote:

Global warming is overrated.  As I've said before, earth is cooler now than it has been for most of its history, so a return to normal is not necessarily a bad thing.  Yes, climate change drives ill adapted species to extinction, and forces surviving species to migrate, but that is the natural cycle of nature and evolution.

Humans have only been on the earth for 200,000 years, and have only monitored the temperatures for 200 years, it is incredibly naive to assume that our current climate is the optimal climate.

Yeah, pollution is bad, I don't want a deep breath of sulfur dioxide any more than the next guy, but trying to frantically cool off our planet, and dealing out doomsday theories to those who don't care, isn't the best way to go about it.

Frankly, Earth has survived ice ages, meltdowns, comet strikes, and solar radiation spikes, and come through it all unscathed, so I'm not that worried.  Besides, humans are the most resourceful creatures in history, and I'm sure we can deal with a few more degrees on the thermometer.
Only one thing wrong with your post as I saw it.  Modern man, Homo sapiens have only been around for 30-50,000 years, not 200,000.  The current theory is that Neaderthal man was not a forerunner of modern man, but a case of parallel evolution, and were supplanted as the Ice age conditions warmed, and the forerunners to modern man began pushing north out of Africa.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6689|North Carolina
Global warming is a real threat that is caused by both cyclical changes and man-made pollution.  Still, since there is very little being done about it due to the politicization of this issue, I'd say we're fucked in the long run.  This is why I no longer care about global warming or the long term continuance of our wretched species.

If the skeptics are right, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

If Al Gore is correct, there are things we can do about it, but we're too ignorant to do them -- and we deserve to become extinct as a result.
Elamdri
The New Johnnie Cochran
+134|6931|Peoria
I believe that the argument about global warming is an excuse for people not to take action on the environment. Whether or not we are actually causing global warming doesn't mean that we shouldn't be taking steps to combat pollution. Pollution has negative effects that we have CONFIRMED that can be hazardous to us, and I think thats reason enough. But then someone created this whole global warming BS to confuse people.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6933

My thinking: it is real, and it's not a bad thing to do what we can about it. However, I don't really see us realistically being able to even stop the increase in carbon emissions, let alone get rid of them altogether.
secshunayt
Member
+2|6441
My opinion is that global warming is a minor issue. Yes, we have been seeing an increase in temperatures on average. Yes, it has happened in the past. What's more important is that the solutions given to stop or slow global warming generally address the already existing need to cut our dependence on non-renewable resources, a problem which will rear its ugly head long before we need to start worrying about minor climate changes.

Last edited by secshunayt (2007-06-23 18:17:15)

S.Lythberg
Mastermind
+429|6731|Chicago, IL

imortal wrote:

Only one thing wrong with your post as I saw it.  Modern man, Homo sapiens have only been around for 30-50,000 years, not 200,000.  The current theory is that Neaderthal man was not a forerunner of modern man, but a case of parallel evolution, and were supplanted as the Ice age conditions warmed, and the forerunners to modern man began pushing north out of Africa.
Are you sure?  or are you thinking of homo sapien sapien the current sub species?
but yeah, I know the neandertal is not an ancestor.

Last edited by S.Lythberg (2007-06-23 18:21:34)

KuSTaV
noice
+947|6795|Gold Coast
If the seas do rise, just go to higher ground. I think its an issue, but with all of the other criticism and stuff about it, it is questionable.
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CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6854|Portland, OR, USA

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Well i dont know my opinion on global warming, but what i do know, is in the next 70 years, i will live. And i should live my life as awesome as possible. And afterwards, the earth could be destroyed by a meteor for all i care, because i'll be dead and i wont have a care, and thats the point.
Ignorance like this is terrifying.  I hope your mindset changes if you ever grow up.. or have kids.

It's also quite scary to see people listening to the government instead of actual scientists on the issue.  People who actually understand the chemistry of this know that it's certainly something to be concerned about.  Unfortunately kicking a bunch of nasty gases up into the atmosphere is no good, the earth doesn't just absorb it, it doesn't just float out into outer space... it just hangs around up there.  No bueno.

Our air quality has to be rubbish at the moment... which in my opinion is something to be worried about as well.

and unfortunately spokesman for global warming are assholes who have little knowledge on the subject.  Politicians fail at RL...

KuSTaV wrote:

If the seas do rise, just go to higher ground. I think its an issue, but with all of the other criticism and stuff about it, it is questionable.
that'd work, but we're becoming quite the overpopulated species.  Overcrowding will = a pandemic if the seas do rise and people are crammed together.  Each species has it's own carrying capacity, and while modern medicine has allowed us to beat the odds.. eventually we'll pay for it.

Until then, ignorance will prevail and we'll live in bliss having seven kids a piece (exaggeration of course, but those crazy catholics/mormons..).  It's a shame that humans need a serious crisis to change, we can't think ahead at all.

Last edited by CommieChipmunk (2007-06-23 18:37:52)

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Knee Deep In Clunge
+489|6747|Tyne & Wear, England

Turquoise wrote:

Global warming is a real threat that is caused by both cyclical changes and man-made pollution.  Still, since there is very little being done about it due to the politicization of this issue, I'd say we're fucked in the long run.  This is why I no longer care about global warming or the long term continuance of our wretched species.

If the skeptics are right, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

If Al Gore is correct, there are things we can do about it, but we're too ignorant to do them -- and we deserve to become extinct as a result.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the last two statements, we're screwed either way.  The human race is probably the most fucked up species to have ever walked the planet.  If we did become extinct, planet earth would undoubtedly be better off without us.

I cant believe a species so apparently intelligent can be so ignorant.
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CommieChipmunk
Member
+488|6854|Portland, OR, USA

KILLSWITCH wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Global warming is a real threat that is caused by both cyclical changes and man-made pollution.  Still, since there is very little being done about it due to the politicization of this issue, I'd say we're fucked in the long run.  This is why I no longer care about global warming or the long term continuance of our wretched species.

If the skeptics are right, there's not a damn thing we can do about it.

If Al Gore is correct, there are things we can do about it, but we're too ignorant to do them -- and we deserve to become extinct as a result.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the last two statements, we're screwed either way.  The human race is probably the most fucked up species to have ever walked the planet.  If we did become extinct, planet earth would undoubtedly be better off without us.

I cant believe a species so apparently intelligent can be so ignorant.
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link52787
Member
+29|6806
well, it really doesn't matter.

Man will not change.  We will slowly destroy the earth a little bit at a time or until some idiots start a nuclear war.
weerdfoo1
Banned
+26|6449|California
it's not that we're ignorant to global warming, it's just that many people don't care.  If it doesn't affect them in their life time, they won't give a crap what happens to the planet
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6959|Canberra, AUS

weerdfoo1 wrote:

it's not that we're ignorant to global warming, it's just that many people don't care.  If it doesn't affect them in their life time, they won't give a crap what happens to the planet
Which is the reason I am so vociferous on the issue.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
link52787
Member
+29|6806

weerdfoo1 wrote:

it's not that we're ignorant to global warming, it's just that many people don't care.  If it doesn't affect them in their life time, they won't give a crap what happens to the planet
yep and also nations around the world is just pretending to care about the environment.  Production takes priority over the health of the environment.

$$$$ is the reason why.  Big chunk of the world economy.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|6885|132 and Bush

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V1king
Member
+10|6439|Land of crocs and cane toads
Interesting topic and some fantstic replies!

I'm just waiting for a major catastrophe to take place.  I hear yellowstone's super volcanoe is due for eruption anytime soon which should wipe out a 300km radius within minutes (these ones will be burnt to a crisp), the rest of the US in days and lucky last me here in Oz in about 21 days (We will suffocate from a sulpluric atmosphere and vocanic dust choking our lungs).  Should be fun and I might even throw a party to celebrate the rebirth of a new species.  The dinosaurs couldn't be that dumb as they lasted well over a million years to our miniscure presence.  THe ice age killed them as we know.

Yes, I do care about the enviroment but 6 billion on this planet just can't be justified anymore, especially with the modern era of fossil fuels being our most sort after comodity to live the style of life we do.

Solution?   Stop screwing around and having babies cos your offspring account to the ever growing over population of this planet.

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