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You're saying that if you are waiting for a jet first then it is your jet and no one else can have it because you were there first. Why would anybody try and ask for a jet? By the time they have asked it would have spawned most likely anyway. And why would anyone who is has been waiting for a jet voluntarily give it up? You're a complete idiot mate.SargeV1.4 wrote:
Having joined Kubra for some flying, I stand at a jet spawn
player B spawns
Player B does not wait nor ask
Player B gets the jet by chance
player B gets team killed
In my opinion, whoever gets it, gets it. The whole getting a jet "by chance" is how the game is meant to be. It's much fairer than the same person getting a jet everytime because they were first to the jet spawn. Besides, if you stand in exactly the right place you will get the jet first anyway. The way I see it is that if you get the jet when it spawns and some moron decides that he wants to stand in front of your jet and not let you take off, by all means TK the prick. That is about the only justifiable reason for TKing someone.
That's the same as what you do.. TK for vehicles.SargeV1.4 wrote:
There are several more kinds of morons. The worst has to be, without a doubt, the ones that will settle for getting any vehicle and will do anything to get it. They stand around on carriers and airfields, actually looking for players that are waiting for vehicles. If they spot one, they will then try to take the vehicle for themselves instead. They do not care what vehicle they get, as long as they get it. These players are usually the worst in terms of skill as well.
Last edited by OxiDeOwns (2007-06-01 16:59:39)
LOL sargent dick.
WHO CARES?!! It is just a freaking game! Get over yourself and play the damn game.SargeV1.4 wrote:
Let me oversimplify this further
situation:
Having joined Kubra for some flying, I stand at a jet spawn
player B spawns
Player B does not wait nor ask
Player B gets the jet by chance
player B gets team killed
Situation 2:
Player B is waiting for the jet
I spawn
I see player B
Player B gets it
Situation 2.1:
Player B then dies
I'm now waiting for the jet
Player B tries to get it again
Player B dies.
Situation 3:
I'm waiting for a jet
I'm taking off
Player B teamkills me and takes it
I make sure he dies and stays dead
POINT: Not standing in line is, in my opinion, more than enough reason to be forced into it. If people jump queue or try to steal a vehicle, theyre gone.
It seems that some people think that ANY TK'ing is so bad it can never be justified. Some even think that teamkilling in battlefield 2 equals murdering someone in real life (Jord?). Intentional teamkilling for selfish reasons, such as being able to take a vehicle from a player who was waiting, is bad. It seems that my analogy didn't get through to him, so I'll explain it again:
Queues in real situations compared to battlefield 2
At a store:
You're standing in line. somebody forces their way in front of you. your response: you tell them to fuck off, in whatever way you prefer
In BF2:
You're standing in line. Somebody forces their way in front of you. My response: I tell them to fuck off. The only way to do is by team killing them.
Now, compare the sanctions: In the store, you can do all kinds of things, but none of them are particularly bad. You can tell them to get out, push them out, whatever. In BF2, you do the same relatively: You kill them and they come back to life in 15 seconds.
So no, teamkilling somebody in BF2 is not the same as murdering someone and therefore I shouldn't have to stop doing it because it's just as bad.
Well, in BF2, do people stand in a line? If they did and you were in front of them, and they run up and take the jet, TKing would be justified, but they don't, so you have no more rights to the jet than them, no matter how "nice" you are, or how skilled you think you are
Oh, the hypocrisy!SargeV1.4 wrote:
Often people get really pissed off when I shoot them out of a jet with an M95. They think that somehow, they got it fairly. They think that somehow, there should be no discussion as to it being their vehicle.
Let's take it slowly here.
You're at a shop. You want to buy a few things, so you go to the cash desk. What do you do? do you all huddle up around the counter all shouting "PICK ME!"? no, you don't. you stand in line. You have common sense.
You're playing golf. It's a busy day, and you have to wait for people to finish before you can move on to the next hole. There is another guy in front of you waiting for the people currently playing the hole to finish. After a few minutes, they're done. What were you doing? standing next to the guy, ready to pounce onto the start of the course the moment the other players leave? no, you were waiting behind the guy, so he can have his turn.
You're playing Battlefield 2. A guy is waiting for a jet. The tag above his head reads "SargeV1.4". You do not say anything, you do not attempt to communicate, you just run straight towards where he's standing, block him, and ram e hoping you'll get it. By luck, you get the jet. You're about to take off, when you suddenly die. At the top of the screen is the message "SargeV1.4 [TeamKills] You". You get angry. you finally have the decency to say something, even if it's barely legible crap. You spend the rest of your round teamkilling him. And yet somehow you think that you're completely right in your actions and that SargeV1.4 is an asshole.
I have happily been teamkilling people for jets for almost a year now. Those brave few that have dared strike up a conversation quickly came to an agreement with me, and we both had our fun. The majority that decided that talking to others is a blasphemy and that standing around waiting to get lucky is good, got a .50 bullet in their head.
I try to be nice. I join people's squads. I talk to them. I never get a response. In fact, they don't even seem to realise that other people are attempting to communicate with them.
Unfortunately these brainless zombies are only the beginning. There are several more kinds of morons. The worst has to be, without a doubt, the ones that will settle for getting any vehicle and will do anything to get it. They stand around on carriers and airfields, actually looking for players that are waiting for vehicles. If they spot one, they will then try to take the vehicle for themselves instead. They do not care what vehicle they get, as long as they get it. These players are usually the worst in terms of skill as well.
There is another type of player that sometimes also is included in the spotters mentioned above: the blockers. These people will stand in front of you and push you, hoping to increase their chances obtaining of temporary power before dieing. If you get the vehicle, they will stand in front of/on top of it with a vengeance, hoping that the prospect of running some random idiot over is enough to make you get out.
"every action has a consequence." This saying is appropriate for me teamkilling people in Battlefield 2 - A lack of communication and decency will cause me to teamkill you for your inappropriate behaviour. I'm really quite nice, if you'd just have the common sense to take a few seconds out to talk.
My guidelines vary per map, too. For instance, on maps like Kubra Dam, Gulf of Oman, and OCS I will happily give players a chance to fly without much trouble. If they're waiting for it, it's their jet. They are, after all, dogfighting maps. However, you have absolutely no business taking the F35 on wake if you re going to get yourself shot down straight away. The previously mentioned maps are great for learning how to fly. Maps where you don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of shooting an enemy down is not a way to learn how to fly. As such, I will not stand for players that repeatedly come back to the airfield to get, what is to them, a flying coffin. Expect M95 action.
So, next time you're trying to take a vehicle from a teammate, and he team kills you, don't whine. Shut up, and have some common sense. If you have any arguments against this, please re-read the thread up to this point.
If you've managed to realise that having an e-fest is reason enough to be teamkilled, then I have one more thing to say to you:
A chopper with one player in it is NOT an invite for you to join him. Any pilot that is genuinely interested in you will wait for you to get in. However, if he turns the chopper away from you and repeatedly spams no, why do you get in? If he asks you to get out, you get the fuck out. If two people want to pilot a chopper together, you get the fuck out. Don't cry about being redzoned if the pilot actually asked you to get out because he wants to solo. Of course, if he didn't, he's at fault. If he did, and you decided to stay in, you deserve nothing more than a one way trip to the border of the map.
Oh, and a final piece of advice - as FF off servers are becoming an increasingly popular phenomenon, I've had to find a different way to teamkill people. This trick only works in hangars, but its the best I can do: place 5 packs of C4 at your retarded teammates feet, and detonate. They will laugh thinking that FF is off. As they crash into the ceiling, then the floor, and die, without you even being officially responsible, you can fly off laughing yourself.
you are not the centre of the universe. The players you see ingame are other people, that are capable of talking. Just like you. So do it. And don't cry about being M95'd.
sargev1.4 is an idiot. you would still tk a person for a jet even if he didnt cut in front of you. your just an asshole and your full of yourself
+1tgust5 wrote:
sargev1.4 is an idiot. you would still tk a person for a jet even if he didnt cut in front of you. your just an asshole and your full of yourself
I've made jets & helos my last stop in bf2, if your the first in it I'll let you have it all round. If I'm the first in I expect to have it all round. I can't tell you how many times I've missed out on my ribbons because some noob decides he wants to fly in the middle of the round.
Well if teamkilling someone for a vehcle is wrong, than dang i dont wanna be right...
everything i write is a ramble and should not be taken seriously.... seriously. ♥
You do bring up a good point, it shits me to tears when the same idiot gets in the jet and i cant do anything about it. but you assume too much.
If im trying to get a jet and the same person is dying a lot, ill ask them nicely 'please if your no good in the jet, let me fly it'
ill honestly say 75% of times people will let me take it (provided this is the person who has died 3+ times in a row). Now if i got my alternate account and got in the jets, youd probably tk me instantly because of my rank, even though i know very well how to use the jets in all maps. If i did the same to you, youd probably have a bitch fit. all because of the ranks. more assumptions. *note to self, tk sarge on my alt account*
now you could try my method, or you could be an egostical E-bully wannabe and tk everyone. Remember, no one knows/cares about your name on the forums. people wont let you have their vehicle in game just because of the way you tell people how pro you are here.
Just remember, if everyone who played bf2 was like you sarge, you probably would have quit long ago from raging over being teamkilled. thank god most retards like you have been banned from the servers i play on.
people like to make videos of kidnapping other players, heres a challenge, make a video of shooting sarge out of the jets multiple times and watch his reaction. the lols wont stop.
If im trying to get a jet and the same person is dying a lot, ill ask them nicely 'please if your no good in the jet, let me fly it'
ill honestly say 75% of times people will let me take it (provided this is the person who has died 3+ times in a row). Now if i got my alternate account and got in the jets, youd probably tk me instantly because of my rank, even though i know very well how to use the jets in all maps. If i did the same to you, youd probably have a bitch fit. all because of the ranks. more assumptions. *note to self, tk sarge on my alt account*
now you could try my method, or you could be an egostical E-bully wannabe and tk everyone. Remember, no one knows/cares about your name on the forums. people wont let you have their vehicle in game just because of the way you tell people how pro you are here.
Just remember, if everyone who played bf2 was like you sarge, you probably would have quit long ago from raging over being teamkilled. thank god most retards like you have been banned from the servers i play on.
people like to make videos of kidnapping other players, heres a challenge, make a video of shooting sarge out of the jets multiple times and watch his reaction. the lols wont stop.
tl;dr
Either way , TKing for a vehicle (whether you've waited for it or not) is not a good thing (-1 Ticket on your team). If you're idling and waiting for the vehicle and you get it ,good for you. Have fun
The problem with the vehicle system in BF2 is that ANYONE can enter it at any time as long as the vehicle is unoccupied. So you can have 1209831 people waiting for it and still only 1 (or 2) can get into a jet or heli.
I've lost count of rounds where I see nubs waiting on the helipad/airstrip only to be artied , bombarded or gunned down when they lose the jet and wait for to respawn.
They're better off doing something useful to help the team like defending a flag or healing others.
To sum up my rant, TKing for any vehicle is bad. It's a waste of team assets and resources. I'm better off ground pounding if my attempt to get a jet/heli fails.
Either way , TKing for a vehicle (whether you've waited for it or not) is not a good thing (-1 Ticket on your team). If you're idling and waiting for the vehicle and you get it ,good for you. Have fun
The problem with the vehicle system in BF2 is that ANYONE can enter it at any time as long as the vehicle is unoccupied. So you can have 1209831 people waiting for it and still only 1 (or 2) can get into a jet or heli.
I've lost count of rounds where I see nubs waiting on the helipad/airstrip only to be artied , bombarded or gunned down when they lose the jet and wait for to respawn.
They're better off doing something useful to help the team like defending a flag or healing others.
To sum up my rant, TKing for any vehicle is bad. It's a waste of team assets and resources. I'm better off ground pounding if my attempt to get a jet/heli fails.
hes angered the masses
i missed this part.SargeV1.4 wrote:
Intentional teamkilling for selfish reasons, such as being able to take a vehicle from a player who was waiting, is bad. It seems that my analogy didn't get through to him,
but this doesnt apply to you, of course?
your a fucking idiot
eye for an eye - welcome to the stone age
if they get the vehicle, you should be mature enough not to care... instead of crying and shooting them out of the vehicle. there are many things you can do in BF except flying, driving, bitching and teamkilling
if they get the vehicle, you should be mature enough not to care... instead of crying and shooting them out of the vehicle. there are many things you can do in BF except flying, driving, bitching and teamkilling
i usually get ppl to run infront of my jet or i get C4ed dont think ive ever been sniped out by team mate
i might cuss at ppl at the jet spot if they say shit to me and then they probably think i will get myself tked and punish but i always walk away
something i really hate is when a bunch of ppl who cant even fly a plane try to get it then tk u take plane and crash instantly pretty much
i might cuss at ppl at the jet spot if they say shit to me and then they probably think i will get myself tked and punish but i always walk away
something i really hate is when a bunch of ppl who cant even fly a plane try to get it then tk u take plane and crash instantly pretty much
What a hypocritical douchebag... sargent self righteous... lol...
Your all about me attitude is part of the reason why interest in BF2 died among other things liek patches and the passage of time... treat others how you would like to be treated... except sarge... lmao
Your all about me attitude is part of the reason why interest in BF2 died among other things liek patches and the passage of time... treat others how you would like to be treated... except sarge... lmao
Love is the answer
So I was bored just now and looking through my oldest posts and I found this - http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?id=16930
"If people are antisocial enough to TK on purpose to steal vehicles, they don't deserve to have internet acces at all" - Sarge
It's funny how attitudes and opinions change over time.
"If people are antisocial enough to TK on purpose to steal vehicles, they don't deserve to have internet acces at all" - Sarge
It's funny how attitudes and opinions change over time.
Argument falls down in one place. People wont wait to give YOU a turn if you wait to give them a turn. Well a majority wont anyway. It's like communism - great in theory but human greed just stops it from working.
You, my friend, have severe literacy problems.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
What a hypocritical douchebag... sargent self righteous... lol...
Your all about me attitude is part of the reason why interest in BF2 died among other things liek patches and the passage of time... treat others how you would like to be treated... except sarge... lmao
Sarge is saying that he is treating others EXACTLY the same as he would like to be treated - wait in line.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
when it comes down to it, all you idiots agreeing care about is stats.
Io Is The Best!!!
your real-life scenario reminds me of the traffic commute. There is one lane to turn right at a traffic light intersection and it gets backed up when people are trying to leave work. There is a long line of cars waiting to turn right, but you have that one A-Hole driver who stays on the left lane and tries to cut into the right lane....trying to bypass everyone else.
Any ways retard players will always be retard players....you can't reason with them any rational notion. TKing em will make em angry.....no one wants an anrgy retard breathing down your neck. It will ruin your mood and kills your gaming experience.
Any ways retard players will always be retard players....you can't reason with them any rational notion. TKing em will make em angry.....no one wants an anrgy retard breathing down your neck. It will ruin your mood and kills your gaming experience.
What a stupid OP.
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