BF2S Forums T-72 and T-80 tank is superior to the M1A2 in many things...

OOOOH. You just walked right into one of my specialties including missiles and bombs outfitted on our aircraft.  This is my job and i have to be familiar with the capabilities of all aircraft in our arsenal.  As for the russians and their air superiority?  There air to air missile was designed specifically off our original sidewinder.   Since then the models have changed significantly to include the new Aim-9X which is 2x better than our old Aim-9L.  The ones the russians based off was the predecessor to the Aim-9L.  We also have the longer ranged Aim-120A,B,and C variants.  Longer ranged than the Aim-9 and uses radar sigs instead of heat.  As for your hellfire missiles those are nice and all...but the AGM is much more devastating to an armored vehicle.  We also have laser guided bomb or satelite guided bombs that can follow a laser into their target.  I could go into further depth....but I would then Violate Security.  As for our aircraft we have fighters and bombers developed for specific roles as well as multi role fighters.  F-16C and D, F-15 A,B,C,E. F-22, F/A-117, B-2 etc.  F-15E strike eagle can bomb  ground targets as well as fight in the sky very effectively.  I'm going to end here cause im tired of talking.

silentsin wrote:

from what i hear, the M1A2 Abrams owns any other tank. in the gulf war M1A2s kicked the shit out of those T-72s. i believe the ratio was about 20 T-72s per one M1A2 Abrams. thats a fucking ratio for you.

I have no idea where you got the number 20. Whoever told you that must have an amazing imagination. It might have been around 4-1 ratio not more. Plus don't forget that Iraqis do not have that much of armor power.

He was talking about the first war with Iraq not the current one. Also a note on the first Iraq War.  Iraq had one of the largest armies in the world at that current time along with the worlds largest anti air defense system.  So in the first war we did not face a push over nation.

Sinyukov wrote:

Flavius Aetius wrote:

how many t-90's are out there? It may be a great tank (like the german tiger) but its numbers are so few that it doesn't make a difference. It can be overwhelmed by numbers (what the shemans did)

You will be surprised by how many T-90s are in production right now. Most of the Russian, Ukranian, Moldavian, Chechen armies have those tanks in their arsenal.

FYI It was not Shermans that overwhelmed by numbers, it was Soviet T-34/72 tanks. Those tanks were the cheapest and arguably the best tanks of WWII. (no they were not MBTs they were medium tanks) but they are still considered to be the best of that era. No offence to anyone who likes shermans but they really sucked.

You damn right that tank sucked. The sherman was a metal coffin. I feel sorry for the guys that were in those.

Last edited by 2ndLt.Tucker (2006-01-25 22:48:13)

BEE_Grim_Reaper wrote:

Ok, lets see. For starters, the M1A2 is the only tank, that uses a turbine engine, which tend to be heavier and more difficult to maintain. Also, fuel efficiency and range drops significantly.

Actually, a turbine engine is lighter than a gasoline or diesel engine. That's one reason why Chrysler Defense was able to beat out other competitors. They were able to put more armor onto the tank since the engine was ligher.

WOW, hold up. I just checked something. How can you compare a MEDIUM TANK to a MAIN BATTLE TANK?

T-72 is a medium tank which is not comparable to M1A2 which is a heavy tank or MBT. Two different classes.
Also here is the article found on T-80 MBT, enjoy:


T 80U MAIN BATTLE TANK, RUSSIA
The T-80 main battle tank has been in production since the late 1970's. KBTM of Omsk, Russian Federation, manufactures the T-80U for general use in infantry and tank units and the T-80UK command tank and XKBM, Kharkov, Ukraine, manufactures the T-80UD and the T-84. 320 T-80UD tanks have been ordered from Ukraine by Pakistan, and are being delivered. In August 2002, it was announced that South Korea is to purchase from Russia a number of T-80 tanks.

ARMAMENT

The T-80U carries the 9M119 Refleks (NATO designation AT-11 Sniper) anti-tank guided missile system which is fired from the main gun. The range of the missile is 100m to 4,000m. The system is intended to engage tanks fitted with ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) as well as low-flying air targets such as helicopters, at a range of up to 5km. The missile system fires either the 9M119 or 9M119M missiles, which have semi-automatic laser beamriding guidance.

The tank is fitted with a 125mm 2A46M-1 automatic smoothbore gun with thermal sleeve, which can fire between 6 and 8 rounds/minute. Loading is hydro-mechanical with a 28 round carousel container. 45 rounds are carried. The gun fires separate loading projectiles which have semi-combustible cartridge case and sabot. Ammunition can be AP (Armour Piercing), APDS (Armour Piercing Discarding Sabot), HEAT (High Explosive Anti-Tank) and HE-FRAG (High Explosive-Fragmentation).

Armament also includes a 7.62mm PKT coaxial machine gun and a 12.7mm Utes (NSVT-12.7) air defence machine gun.

PROTECTION

The tank is protected by a combination of explosive reactive armour (ERA) at the front and gill type armour panels elesewhere. Other countermeasures include quieter running, gas-turbine engine which exhausts smokeless gases, improved heat insulation of roof and hatches, ventilation of the engine-transmission system, cooling system, smoke-laying system and smoke discharging system.

FIRE CONTROL AND OBSERVATION

The tank fire control system is the 1A42 which includes 1V517 ballistic computer, two-axis electrohydraulic weapon stabiliser, rangefinder sight stabilised in two axes as well as a GPK-59 hydro-semicompass azimuth indicator and an azimuth indicator for the turret rotation. This system permits firing on the move.

The gunner has the 1G46 day sight and also an infrared sight.

PROPULSION

The T-80U's gas turbine engine is the GTD-1250 which produces 920 kW (1,250hp). The GTD-1250 is a three shaft engine with two cascades of turbocompression. There is also an independent GTA-18 auxiliary power unit for use when the tank is stationary.

The tank has a planetary power transmission with hydraulic servo-system for increased mobility. The track and suspension system is fitted with RMSh track and rubber-tyred road wheels, torsion bar suspension with hydraulic telescopic double-acting shock absorbers. Maximum speed of the vehicle is 70km/h.

T-80UK COMMAND TANK

The T-80UK tank provides command and control capability for field commanders and enable communications with superior command. It is similar to the T-80U but has a number of additional features. It is fitted with the Shtora-1 countermeasures suite also fitted on the T-90 tank. Shtora-1 is produced by Electronintorg of Russia. This system includes infrared jammer, laser warning system, grenade discharging system and a computerised control system. Operational range is 200m.

The tank has a combined symmetric dipole antenna for both UHF and HF communications. This increases range when the tank is stationary - up to 40km for the R-163-50U radio and 350 km for the R-163-50K radio. An AB-1-P28 1kW benzene generator is provided to power communications when the tank is stationary. T-80UK also has a more advanced fire control system, automatic loader for the gun, built-in turret ERA (Explosive Reactive Armour) and TNA-4-3 navigational aid.

T-80UM2

The latest version of the T-80U being developed is the T-80UM2, which is designed to engage targets while stationary or on the move. It has a new all-welded cast steel turret with ERA on the hull front and turret, an automatic loading system and relocation of the ammunition to the turret bustle for improved survivability. Other improvements include a computerised fire control system, thermal imaging sights for commander and gunner, and the Arena active countermeasures system.

Let me know if you guys are interested in T-72 MEDIUM Tank and I will get you and article about that one.

I am not arguing, just trying to provide something to end this debate as it looks to me most people on here rely on what they hear somewhere or from someone rather then the facts.


T72 Tank
The T-72, which entered production in 1971, was first seen in public in 1977. The T-72, introduced in the early 1970s, is not a further development of the T-64, but rather a parallel design chosen as a high-production tank complementing the T-64. The T-72 retains the low silhouette of the T-54/55/62 series, featuring a conventional layout with integrated fuel cells and stowage containers which give a streamlined appearance to the fenders. While the T-64 was deployed only in forward-deployed Soviet units, the T-72 was deployed within the USSR and exported to non-Soviet Warsaw Pact armies and several other countries. In addition to production in the USSR it has been built under license in Czechoslovakia, India, Poland and former Yugoslavia.
DESCRIPTION:

The T-72 medium tank is similar in general appearance to the T-64.

The T-72 has six large, die-cast, rubber-coated road wheels and three track return rollers. It has a 14-tooth drive sprocket and a single-pin track with rubber-bushed pins.

The gunner's IR searchlight is mounted to the right of the main gun. The 12.7-mm NSV anti-aircraft machine gun has a rotating mount, and there is no provision for firing it from within the tank. There are normally only a few small stowage boxes on the outside of the turret, and a single short snorkel is stowed on the left side of the turret.

The T-72 has a larger engine compartment than the T-64, and the radiator grill is near the rear of the hull.

CAPABILITIES:

The T-72 has greater mobility than the T-62. The V-12 diesel engine has an output of 780 hp. This engine appears to be remarkably smoke-free and smooth-running, having eliminated the excessive vibration which was said to cause high crew fatigue in the T-62. Although the engine is larger than that of the T-64, the heavier (41 mt) T-72 is believed to have approximately the same road speed as the T-64. The T-72B1 is powered by a multi-fuel V-12 piston air-cooled 840 hp engine that will run on three fuels: Diesel, Benzene or Kerosene. Two 200-liter auxiliary fuel drums can be fitted on the rear of the hull. The T-72 can be fitted with a snorkel for deep fording, and takes about 20 minutes to prepare for amphibious use.

The T-72 has better armor protection than the T-62, due to the use of layered armor and other features discussed above under T-64 capabilities. The advanced passive armour package of the T-72M and T-72M1 can sustain direct hits from the 105mm gun equipped M1 Abrams at up to 2,000 meter range. The later T-72Ms and T-72M1s are equipped with laser rangefinders ensuring high hit probabilities at ranges of 2,000 meters and below. The turret has conventional cast armor with a maximum thickness of 280-mm, the nose is about 80-mm thick and the glacis is 200-mm thick laminate armor. Besides the PAZ radiation detection system, the T-72 has an antiradiation liner (except on export models) and a collective NBC filtration and overpressure system.

The T-72 has the same integral smoke generating capability as earlier T-54/55/62, tanks, and variants have been observed with smoke grenade projectors mounted on the front of the turret.

The T-72 employs the same armament, ammunition, and integrated fire control as the T-64. The low, rounded turret mounts a 125mm smooth bore gun with a carousel automatic loader mounted on the floor and rear wall of the turret. The 125mm gun common to all the T-72 models is capable of penetrating the M1 Abrams armour at a range of up to 1,000 meters. The more recent BK-27 HEAT round offers a triple-shaped charge warhead and increased penetration against conventional armors and ERA. The BK-29 round, with a hard penetrator in the nose is designed for use against reactive armor, and as an MP round has fragmentation effects. If the BK-29 HEAT-MP is used, it may substitute for Frag-HE (as with NATO countries) or complement Frag-HE. With three round natures (APFSDS-T, HEAT-MP, ATGMs) in the autoloader vs four, more antitank rounds would available for the higher rate of fire.

The infra-red searchlight on the T-72 is mounted on the right side of the main armament, versus on the left on the earlier T-64. The 1K13-49 sight is both night sight and ATGM launch sight. However, it cannot be used for both functions simultaneously. A variety of thermal sights is available. They include the Russian Agava-2, French SAGEM-produced ALIS and Namut sight from Peleng. Thermal gunner night sights are available which permit night launch of ATGMs.

VARIANTS
T-72: Original Russian tank from which T-72 variants were derived.
T-72A: The Russian variant differs from T-72 with the TPDK-1 LRF, added sideskirts, additional armor on the turret front and top, smoke grenade launchers, internal changes, and a slight weight increase.
T-72B : has the thickened frontal turret armor and is commonly known in the United States as the Dolly Parton.
T-72BK: Commander's variant with additional radios
T-72BM: Version with 2nd Generation Kontakt-5 explosive reactive armor similar to that on the T-90. This system is being fielded and is available for export.
T-72M: Original Polish and former-Czechoslovakian T-72-series tank from which Polish/Czechoslovakian T-72M1 was derived. T-72M differs from T-72 in replacing the right-side coincident rangefinder with a centerline-mounted TPDK-1 LRF.
T-72M1: Russian export version and Polish/Czechoslovakian counterparts. Versions with Kontact ERA are known as T-72AV /T-72 M1V. Some countries have inventories of T-72, T-72M and T-72M1, with different versions of each variant. Also, many variants were upgraded or modified. Some T-72M1s do not have smoke grenade launchers or track skirts. Some T-72s/T-72Ms have smoke grenade launchers. More reliable discriminators are armor and rangefinder/FCS.
T-72S/Shilden: Russian export T-72A upgraded to be comparable to the T-72BM standard. Although similar to the T-72BM, it may have less turret front protection. The early T-72S tank has Kontakt ERA.
T-72BV: with explosive reaction armor packages fitted to the hull and turret. The glacis plate is covered with a layer of single ERA blocks while the turret is covered by one, two or three layers with one being the more usual.
T-90: Successor to T-72BM. This tank has been tentatively approved for production and adoption as a standard tank, alongside the T-80U, for the Russian army. The T-90 uses the gun and 1G46 gunner sights from T-80U, a new engine, and thermal sights. Protective measures include Kontakt-5 ERA, laser warning receivers, and the SHTORA infrared ATGM jamming system.

Specifications
Designations T-72S (export), SMT M1988
Date of Introduction 1985
Proliferation Current Using Countries (all models of T-72)
Algeria Angola Armenia
Azerbaijan Belarus Boznia-Herz.
Bulgaria Croatia Czech Republic
Finland Georgia Hungary
India Iran Iraq
Kazakhstan Kyrgyzstan Libya
Poland Romania Russia
Slovakia Syria Tajikistan
Turkmenistan Ukraine Uzbekistan
Yugoslavia United States (in displays)

Description 
Crew 3
Combat Weight (mt) 44.5
Chassis Length Overall (m) 6.91
Height Overall (m) 2.19
Width Overall (m) 3.58
Ground Pressure (kg/cm 2 ) 0.90
Automotive Performance 
Engine Type 840-hp Diesel
Cruising Range (km) 500/ 900 with external tanks
Speed (km/h) 
Max Road 60
Max Off-Road 45
Average Cross-Country 35
Max Swim N/A
Fording Depths (m) 1.2 Unprepared/5.0 with snorkel
Radio R-173 and R-134
Protection 
Armor, Turret Front (mm) 520/950 against HEAT
Applique Armor (mm) Side of hull over track skirt, turret top
Explosive Reactive Armor (mm) Kontakt or Kontakt-5 ERA
Active Protective System Arena available
Mineclearing Equipment Roller-plow set, and plows available
Self-Entrenching Blade Yes
NBC Protection System Yes
Smoke Equipment Smoke grenade launchers (8x 81-mm left side of turret), and 32 grenades. Vehicle engine exhaust smoke system.
ARMAMENT
Main Armament 
Caliber, Type, Name 125-mm smoothbore gun 2A46M/ D-81TM
Rate of Fire (rd/min) 4-6/2 in manual mode
Loader Type Autoloader (separate loading) and manual
Ready/Stowed Rounds 22/23
Elevation (°) -6 to +14
Fire on Move Yes, up to 25 km/h. Depending on the road and distance to the target, most crews may halt before firing.
Auxiliary Weapon 
Caliber, Type, Name 7.62-mm (7.62x 54R) Machinegun PKT
Mount Type Turret coax
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 2,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day 1,000
Night 800
Fire on Move Yes
Rate of Fire (rd/min) 250 practical, 600 cyclic in 2-10 round bursts
Caliber, Type, Name 12.7-mm (12.7x108) AA MG NSVT
Mount Type Turret top
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 2,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day 1,500/1,000 antiaircraft
Night N/A
Fire on Move Yes
Rate of Fire (rd/min) 200 practical, 600 cyclic in bursts
ATGM Launcher 
Name 2A46M
Launch Method Gun-launched
Guidance SACLOS, Laser beam rider
Command Link Encoded infrared laser beam
Launcher Dismountable No
FIRE CONTROL
FCS Name 1A40-1
Main Gun Stabilization 2E42-2, 2-plane
Rangefinder TPD-K1M laser rangefinder
Infrared Searchlight Yes
Sights w/Magnification 
Gunner 
Day TPD-K1, 8
Field of View (°) 9
Acquisition Range (m) 3,000 with LRF, 5,000 without
ATGM/Night 1K13-495 5.6x (8x ATGM)
Field of View (°) 6, 40 min (5 ATGM)
Acquisition Range (m) INA
Commander Fire Main Gun No
MAIN ARMAMENT AMMUNITION
Caliber, Type, Name 
125-mm APFSDS-T, BM-42M
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 3,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day 2,000-3,000
Night 850-1,300
Armor Penetration (mm) 590-630 at 2,000 meters
125-mm Frag-HE-T, OF-26
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 5,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day INA
Night 850-1,300
Armor Penetration (mm) INA
125-mm HEAT-MP, BK-29M
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 3,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day INA
Night 850-1300
Armor Penetration (mm) 650-750
125-mm HEAT, BK-27
Maximum Aimed Range (m) 3,000
Max Effective Range (m) 
Day INA
Night 850-1,300
Armor Penetration (mm) 700-800
Other Ammunition Types Giat 125G1 APFSDS-T, Russian BM-42
and BM-32 APFSDS-T. Note The Russians may have a version of the BM-42M with a DU penetrator.
Antitank Guided Missiles 
Name AT-11/SVIR
Warhead Type Shaped charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration (mm ) 700 behind ERA/800 conventional
Range (m) 4,000
Name AT-11B/INVAR
Warhead Type Tandem Shaped charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration (mm ) 800 behind ERA /870 conventional
Range (m) 4,000

silentsin wrote:

from what i hear, the M1A2 Abrams owns any other tank. in the gulf war M1A2s kicked the shit out of those T-72s. i believe the ratio was about 20 T-72s per one M1A2 Abrams. thats a fucking ratio for you.

Sorry but i dont believe anyone has asked this yet; what proportion of that 20-1 ratio is an apache or warthog taking out the T-72s before it became a tank Vs tank engagement?
If its any at all then the X number destroyed in x conflict" argument becomes void because all it proves it that the us is better at ooperating with air support in an area where they have air superiority

Just tossing it up for a bit more debate

acEofspadEs6313 wrote:

The only competition I've seen between tanks is at the War Games the US, Germany, and Great Britain participate in o.0

My question to you must be did any of the coutries mentioned above use any kind of version of Soviet/Russian tanks in those war games? I am sure the answer would be no but I just had to ask in case my answer is incorrect.

vedds wrote:

silentsin wrote:

from what i hear, the M1A2 Abrams owns any other tank. in the gulf war M1A2s kicked the shit out of those T-72s. i believe the ratio was about 20 T-72s per one M1A2 Abrams. thats a fucking ratio for you.

Sorry but i dont believe anyone has asked this yet; what proportion of that 20-1 ratio is an apache or warthog taking out the T-72s before it became a tank Vs tank engagement?
If its any at all then the X number destroyed in x conflict" argument becomes void because all it proves it that the us is better at ooperating with air support in an area where they have air superiority

Just tossing it up for a bit more debate

My personal answer to you would be I don't know how many but, T-72 will not stand a chance against M1A2 tank because it is smaller, weaker, and less powerful. Now if you look at the ratio given above it would mean that if US brought 1000 Abrams tanks to Iraq that would mean that Iraq had to have 20,000 just T-72 in service to meet that ratio. It is impossible that they would have that kind of amount back then, because they also had an older version which was T-64 I believe in service also, and we both know that T-64s are so old that even in the early 90s they would not stand a chance against pretty much anything. Gulf war most likely did not see many if any tank vs. tank combat as Americans just went right through the outdated Iraqi technology with included Vietnam era Migs which are way inferior to F-15,16,18 of US. So they really had no air superiority at all which is why it allowed F117s to just fly in and bomb the AA sites so A-10s and Apaches would do their jobs. On the other hand their infantry army outnumbered US 3 to 1 or something like that but as we know infantry did not do a lot of good when they did not have the support of any kind of armor.

Last edited by Sinyukov (2006-01-25 23:58:26)

Spetz wrote:

CRUSHER wrote:

This thread went  from tanks to jets... Nice...


Anyway, the F-22 Raptor pwns all..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-22

lol

that jet was superceeded by the JSF or f-35 last year
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america wins wars, because they fight people who are poorly equiped and have the biggest budget out of all military organizations in the world

but you have to face the fact that your country is on the verge of Bankruptcy

the americans had to get the joint investment of britain australia and germany soo they could fund the JointStrikeFighter

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china is quickly catching americas economy

your screwed in the next 15 years, sorry to be the one to tell you

Spetz...

BRO.. first of all the JSF program became the F-35 and it has nothing to do with the F-22..... two totally seperate programs, but by reading the rest of your post I can tell that you are an ignorant asshole... you should try to educate yourself before getting diarrhea of the mouth (or keyboard)..

How many wars have you fought in?? I though so..

Remember its not your fathers fault.. the world is not out to get you... stop smoking whatever you are.. and please let your therapist know the angst and feelings of inadequecy you have been experiencing..

Agwood

Hey Sinyukov,

You seem like a pretty sharp guy.. you know anything about the "Black Eagle" tank.. I hear it is a variant of the T-80.. I have been able to find just tidbits of information on it..?? looks pretty sweet though.. love the low profile turret design with the knife edge front..

Ag

Last edited by Agwood69 (2006-01-26 00:14:32)

Agwood69 wrote:

Hey Sinyukov,

You seem like a pretty sharp guy.. you know anything about the "Black Eagle" tank.. I hear it is a variant of the T-80.. I have been able to find just tidbits of information on it..?? looks pretty sweet though.. love the low profile turret design with the knife edge front..

Ag

Hey,

Don't know much about Black Eagle. To tell you the truth this forum was the first time I have heard about it period. However I was interested in it as much as you are so I found something worth reading about it. Enjoy.


A new Russian MBT named Chiorny Oriol (Black Eagle) was shown for the first time at the second VTTV-Omsk-97 International Exhibition of Armaments, Military Equipment and Conversion Products held in September '97 in Omsk, Siberia region, Russia.

Until recently, there were hardly any details about the tank except for a couple of words and a poster on the Defendory 1998 held in Greece.

According to the information I have, this tank is being developed in cooperation with and for export to S.Korea and may even feature Korean thermal imagers. It will not be fielded with the Russian Army and seems to be entirely an initiative of Omsk Plant. It originates from the now-closed Nikolai Popov's design bureau at Leningrad Kirov Plant (LKZ) and is now developed by Alexander Morozov.

The tank is built on a T-80U chassis and will borrow most of its components including FCS from T-80U.

The most significant difference between the new tank and T-80 is the completely redesigned turret (at Omsk'97 a full-sized mock-up was presented) and the lengthened hull with 7 roadwheels per side.

The new turret will have a larger degree of protection than the current Russian MBTs. The steep slope of forward armor plates on the turret reflects designers' desire to maximize protection from APFSDS rounds in a duel situation, when tanks fight "face to face".

For additional protection, the tank is fitted with Kaktus ERA and the new Drozd-2 APS.

It was originally planned to install a 152 mm gun that is being developed for a future Russian MBT. However, since this tank is not going to be fielded with the Russian Army, it carries a 125 mm 2A46M-series gun.

Another innovation is a new automated ammo storage/loader, located in a turret bustle. It is separated from crew compartment by an armored bulkhead which greatly increases crew survivability. This design has several reasons. First, the Chechen war has shown that the carousel used in T-72/T-80/T-90 is too prone to ammo detonation when penetrated, invariably killing the crew. Second, adopted configuration also reduces Black Eagle's height by 400 mm by comparison with the T-80 (Perhaps a typo here, since this means that the tank is a mere 1.8 meters in height). Finally, horizontal ammunition arrangement in the turret bustle permits using longer (and therefore, more powerful) APFSDS rounds, unitary ammunition, simplified automatic loading process and increased rate of fire (expected to reach 10-12 rds/min).

Black Eagle's on-board information system monitors all essential systems of the vehicle, and permits automated data exchange with other tanks and headquarters.

The tank shall have a new 1200 hp 16-cyl. turbo-diesel engine and shall weigh around 50 tons.

VTTV-Omsk-99 exhibition have finally revealed the complete vehicle (referred by KBMZ as Item 640) without any netting. Several features became immediately apparent. It was apparent for the first time that the vehicle's hull is not taken directly from T-80U as was originally believed, but was significantly redesigned, the obvious change being the 7th roadwheel. It seems that most of the additional length has gone into the raised front hull protection and greater glacis obliquity. It also raises doubts if the tank indeed stays in Class 50. The active protection system appears to be Drozd, not Arena, derivative. Although the tank indeed carries the 2A46M maingun, it was stated that provision is made for installation of a new 152mm maingun. This implies that Omsk still hopes to win the hearts of the Russian military with this new tank.





Black Eagle at Omsk'97


Black Eagle poster in Greece




3D Black Eagle model from the OMZ website. A larger version was promised soon


Black Eagle model from NII Stali website. Notice the glacis thickness.
Dimensions:           (mm) L7,000+? x W3,582 x H1,800(?!) x 451 clearance
Weight:               50.0? metric tons
Crew:                 3?

Engine:               1,200 hp 16-cyl. turbo-diesel engine
Max Road Speed:       ? km/h
Max X-country Speed:  ? km/h
Power/Weight:         24? hp/tn
Ground Pressure:      ? kg/sq.cm
Range:                ? km

Obstacle negotiation:
Fording depth:        ? m
Trench width:         ? m
Vertical obstacle:    ? m
Maximum gradient:     ?°

Weapons
Main Weapon:          125mm 2A46M* smoothbore
Rate of fire:         10-12? rounds/min
Ammunition:           40? rounds
Ammunition Types:     APFSDS, HEAT, HEF
                      ATGM through main gun?
Auxiliary armament:   UNKNOWN

Equipment
Rangefinder:          laser?
Night Vision:         thermal imager?
Fire Control:         ?
Jammers:              No active jammers?
Active protection:    Drozd-2

Onboard Computer:     ?
                      on-board information system: subsystems status, GPS,
                      HQ & units link

Other:                NBC, auto-fire-fighting equipment,
                      self-digging blade, air conditioning

Front armor extremely sloped; new generation "Kaktus" ERA


http://armor.vif2.ru/Tanks/MBT/b_eagle.html - Website where I got the article from if you want to see the pics.