BF2S Forums Why Having Gays in the Military is no longer an Issue

Our government is stuck on stupid.
Like a skipping record saying over and over again,. _{stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid stupid}

LOL...  Not every gay person is effeminate.  I could see how a lot of the more butch lesbians would enjoy the soldier role.  Plenty of the more masculine gay men would make good soldiers as well.

I mean, I can't say that I know these things from personal experience, but I've known a good amount of gay people in my life, and there is the occasional patriotic one who wants to serve his or her country in the same way that many straight people do.

EDIT: And let's not forget that one of the greatest military leaders of all time was most likely a bisexual...  Alexander the Great.

Last edited by Turquoise (2007-06-04 21:58:55)

Will gay guys get their own showers?

I remember when gay meant you were happy...

I just smoked a fat one...

So I'm feelin pretty gay right now...

Turquoise wrote:

I could see how a lot of the more butch lesbians would enjoy the soldier role.

Oh yes, butch lesbians love the military!  Almost every one I've met has had some sort of military fetish, the one that didn't (military didn't come up in conversation) drove big bulldozers for a living.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

it isn't just the gay person.  the attitudes of people working with the gay person might be compromised due to their decreased comfort levels in such a unit.  the gay person might be doing his job well, but he might have compromised the integrity of the group. 

one step forward; two steps backward.

...but if that's the case, then how come countries like the U.K., Canada, and the Netherlands haven't had big problems from allowing gays in their military?

Are Americans just that insecure in their sexuality?

A homophobe would say the private sector is anti gay but cannot afford to state it openly as they would be up for all sorts of discimination lawsuits. Somthing the government has nicely excluded itself from.

Having said that, there are plenty of private companies who do not care and others who openly seek what they refer to as the "Pink" dollar. As golgoj4 said, private companies care more about efficiency and profit than a persons' lifestyle. Their responsibility is to the shareholders. If a person is against any particular lifestyle or company policy (be it social or environmental) then they can choose to invest their money elsewhere. There are some investment brokers that will accept your instruction for example to never invest in companies that deal in arms or things like Uranium mining.

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

it isn't just the gay person.  the attitudes of people working with the gay person might be compromised due to their decreased comfort levels in such a unit.  the gay person might be doing his job well, but he might have compromised the integrity of the group. 

one step forward; two steps backward.

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/02/28/alva-dont-ask/

First soldier wounded in Iraq was a gay Marine.

“I told tons of people,” he said, with a laugh. “A lot of my friends, my buddies, my closest Marines, people I had served in combat with. Straight guys, married, with children and everything, three of them which I have become their sons’ godfather now. Everybody was just respectful and was just like ordinary. ‘That’s it? That’s your big news?’”

Alva says that while anti-gay language wasn’t exactly unheard of in the Marines, generally he thinks troops are ready for gays and lesbians to serve openly.

“Being on the front lines and serving with the people who even actually knew that I was gay, you know, that was never a factor. We were there to do a job. We were [there] to do a mission. I don’t think people would have a hard time with it because they know that the person right next to them is going to be there to protect them, in our terms, ‘have their back.’”

BTW pls dont go after me for using a liberal website, I just needed a quick ref and this was the first on google

to take a line from Jarhead - "FIELD FUCK"

CoronadoSEAL wrote:

it isn't just the gay person.  the attitudes of people working with the gay person might be compromised due to their decreased comfort levels in such a unit.  the gay person might be doing his job well, but he might have compromised the integrity of the group. 

one step forward; two steps backward.

so, what happened to the discipline? I didn't realize you got to blame your (and I don't mean u personally  coronado) lack of military bearing on the next guy. I suppose you could say there is an element of unit cohesion that is required, but I remember people putting their differences aside to get the job done from my time in. Just seem a little primadonna-ish.

TuataraDude wrote:

A homophobe would say the private sector is anti gay but cannot afford to state it openly as they would be up for all sorts of discimination lawsuits. Somthing the government has nicely excluded itself from.

Having said that, there are plenty of private companies who do not care and others who openly seek what they refer to as the "Pink" dollar. As golgoj4 said, private companies care more about efficiency and profit than a persons' lifestyle. Their responsibility is to the shareholders. If a person is against any particular lifestyle or company policy (be it social or environmental) then they can choose to invest their money elsewhere. There are some investment brokers that will accept your instruction for example to never invest in companies that deal in arms or things like Uranium mining.

Yeah well the groups of investors with big hearts is shrinking im sure. You can claim that some have a certain moral high-ground, when its really about protecting a brand. Bottom Line. A Brand which represents whatever bs is being sold to the people that buy it. The US Military is a Brand that the US gov't hasn't  felt it needed to update to modern times. Its not all their doing, I mean if you accept spineless as a means of governance.

/rant

Before I make any comment I'd like to see if anyone can answer a couple of questions (which I think I know the answer to, but it's always worth checking):

1)  Does the US army have uni-sex showers, and are men and women in separate tents?

2)  Same, but for guys like Blackwater.