chavez is a paper lion. let him rant and rave, the world will take care of him.
tell ken jennings ... he knows the REAL storyCameronPoe wrote:
I realise that - what I don't like is him moving onto another station straight away. It looks ominous.Bubbalo wrote:
You did read the part about them participating in a coup?CameronPoe wrote:
Up until now I have supported Hugo Chavez, the democratically elected leader of Venezuela. This is where that ends.
oh shit really how real is this one!?Hunter/Jumper wrote:
tell ken jennings ... he knows the REAL storyCameronPoe wrote:
I realise that - what I don't like is him moving onto another station straight away. It looks ominous.Bubbalo wrote:
You did read the part about them participating in a coup?
If its not being reported by the News York Times or the LA Times then it must be ok what he's doing.
Did anyone honestly not see this coming?
It's fine in legal terms. Ruling by decree just can't be good for Venezuelans though.Harmor wrote:
If its not being reported by the News York Times or the LA Times then it must be ok what he's doing.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
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On the one hand, Chavez is acting a lot like Castro once did these days.
On the other hand, Ken has made several good points as to why this is happening.
Besides, you know what would happen to an American media outlet in the same position. Our FCC is probably about as corrupt as theirs is.
On the other hand, Ken has made several good points as to why this is happening.
Besides, you know what would happen to an American media outlet in the same position. Our FCC is probably about as corrupt as theirs is.
Which is exactly what we were discussing.Hunter/Jumper wrote:
tell ken jennings ... he knows the REAL storyCameronPoe wrote:
I realise that - what I don't like is him moving onto another station straight away. It looks ominous.Bubbalo wrote:
You did read the part about them participating in a coup?
Sure it can. In some situations, rule by decree can drastically improve a country. Having said that, the only example that comes to mind is Hitler and Germany, where Germany was dragged out of poverty and starvation, so, given that Venezuala isn't in that bad a situation, I'm not sure it is a good thing.Kmarion wrote:
It's fine in legal terms. Ruling by decree just can't be good for Venezuelans though.
yeah, because Hitler knew when to say when and rest control back into the arms of the people.Bubbalo wrote:
Sure it can. In some situations, rule by decree can drastically improve a country. Having said that, the only example that comes to mind is Hitler and Germany, where Germany was dragged out of poverty and starvation, so, given that Venezuala isn't in that bad a situation, I'm not sure it is a good thing.Kmarion wrote:
It's fine in legal terms. Ruling by decree just can't be good for Venezuelans though.
You do know Hitler never gave back control? He killed himself when the Allies started closing in, but I hardly think that counts.......................
What ever happens they brought it on themselves by continuously boycotting elections. This is what you get when less than fifteen percent determines the course of a nation.Bubbalo wrote:
Sure it can. In some situations, rule by decree can drastically improve a country. Having said that, the only example that comes to mind is Hitler and Germany, where Germany was dragged out of poverty and starvation, so, given that Venezuala isn't in that bad a situation, I'm not sure it is a good thing.Kmarion wrote:
It's fine in legal terms. Ruling by decree just can't be good for Venezuelans though.
The hypocrisy is enough to make you sick.
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yeah, it's fucking called sarcasm.Bubbalo wrote:
You do know Hitler never gave back control? He killed himself when the Allies started closing in, but I hardly think that counts.......................
Not to get too much off the subject, but General Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan seems to at least attempting to keep the peace there.Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, because Hitler knew when to say when and rest control back into the arms of the people.Bubbalo wrote:
Sure it can. In some situations, rule by decree can drastically improve a country. Having said that, the only example that comes to mind is Hitler and Germany, where Germany was dragged out of poverty and starvation, so, given that Venezuala isn't in that bad a situation, I'm not sure it is a good thing.Kmarion wrote:
It's fine in legal terms. Ruling by decree just can't be good for Venezuelans though.
Info on Musharraf
For those who don't know at our darkest times the President of the United States did suspend parts of the Constitution - example Lincoln who suspended Habis Corpus.
Chavez does not seem like the guy to "rest control back into the armos of the people," so we are going to see alot more of his populous, socialist movement.
My worry is that this will spread to other countries like Columbia (an ally of the United States), and Brazil (mostly friendly).
So you don't think that Hitler's actions had a hugely positive impact on Germany in the short and long terms (as opposed to the middle).Reciprocity wrote:
yeah, it's fucking called sarcasm.Bubbalo wrote:
You do know Hitler never gave back control? He killed himself when the Allies started closing in, but I hardly think that counts.......................
I'm not arguing that a germany wasn't, in part, better off after Hitler's intervention. I'm saying that people like Julius Caesar, Hitler, Stalin, Castro, Bush Jr., and Chavez have no problem taking power but have a hard time giving it up. They all thought/think they know what's best, and their subjects should simply trust their judgement. I happen to be a fan of republics and democracies, not that they're perfect in their own right.
Seriously i gave up on life gimme a M95 i need one shot thats all if i die i dont care life sucks. I'd rather die fighting then live bending over.
So, the whole being hauled out of a depression thing wasn't at all good?
GunSlinger OIF II wrote:
chavez is a paper lion. let him rant and rave, the world Venezuelan people will take care of him.
Manipulated elections are not democratic. If you can manipulate the people, you can influence their votes. Chavez manipulates his people using the two biggest flaws of democracy: the "bread and circus" politics that brought down Rome, by giving out free clinics, free medicine, free education, free something... to the poor (through his "missiones").
The second biggest flaw of democracy is the fact that who ever controls the media has an imense power. Where in America it takes millions of dollars to be able to work the media to your favor, in Chavez police state all you have to do is shut down the ones that oppose you and replace them with state-owned ones. The rest will be easily bullied into submission.
Democracy is flawed, we all know it is far from a perfect system. Chavez represents the worst of this system, and proves that a dictator can be "democratically" elected.
The second biggest flaw of democracy is the fact that who ever controls the media has an imense power. Where in America it takes millions of dollars to be able to work the media to your favor, in Chavez police state all you have to do is shut down the ones that oppose you and replace them with state-owned ones. The rest will be easily bullied into submission.
Democracy is flawed, we all know it is far from a perfect system. Chavez represents the worst of this system, and proves that a dictator can be "democratically" elected.
"All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them."
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
I hope their hero can hold out. On the News, It seems to be getting worse.
Thats good if he's a Republican/Bad if he's a Left leaning dictator Wannabe.
It could all be propaganda. No one knows the REAL STORY
no matter what " you think " you were discussing.
Thats good if he's a Republican/Bad if he's a Left leaning dictator Wannabe.
It could all be propaganda. No one knows the REAL STORY
no matter what " you think " you were discussing.
Personal del Ministerio de Habitat y vivienda disparan contra civiles con armas cortas y largas, el dia 28/05 del 2007.
Members of the Housing Ministry shooting at civilians May 28th.
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That guy had a hand cannon!
I find these shootings very bothering since it surely will escalate.
Chavez is no angel but the fact is that the poor venezuelans have a higher standard of living thanks to him. I hope that he's not the dictator some of you think he is, for the sake of the venezuelan people.
Chavez is no angel but the fact is that the poor venezuelans have a higher standard of living thanks to him. I hope that he's not the dictator some of you think he is, for the sake of the venezuelan people.
WTF is this video supposed to be? Is it just me or did most of those guns look like vacuum cleaner attachments?Kmarion wrote:
Personal del Ministerio de Habitat y vivienda disparan contra civiles con armas cortas y largas, el dia 28/05 del 2007.
Members of the Housing Ministry shooting at civilians May 28th.
Members of the housing ministry? A) They don't look like ministers to me B) WTF has the housing ministry got to do with whats going on?
Be wary of footage released on venezuela, last time they were trying to frame chavez they produced bogus footage of his "people" supposedly firing on unarmed civilians as it is the most provocative subject.
Is it me or is that guy running across the carnage scene played twice? Shouldn't the "hand cannons" flash? Aren't the people filming it suprisingly calm considering there are gun shots going off across the street?