Open Question To Anti-Social Welfare Types

2007-05-28 13:02:36

#1

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

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I've read an awful lot of pathetic dribble that has oozed its way out of a lot of cretinous idiots keyboards over the past while that I would like to ask an open question about.

Would idiots who say things like 'I don't agree with social welfare, I won't see a penny back, I don't like paying taxes', etc., please tell me what they expect would happen if there was no such thing as social welfare or tax. Please enlighten me. I'd like to have the paradise they envisage described to me in detail.

The last moronic post I read started with a comment not too dissimilar to the made-up quote of mine and then paradoxically complained about poor people and crime and why the government couldn't prevent crime. Maybe giving them no tax money would help, eh?

Pathetic.

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Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-28 13:05:29)

2007-05-28 13:03:38

#2

Miller: IT'S MILLER TIME!; +271|6943|United States of America

Thank you, I'm happy now.

Last edited by Miller (2007-05-28 13:06:20)

2007-05-28 13:03:51

#3

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|6949

what?

2007-05-28 13:04:53

#4

l41e: Member; +677|6835

Butbutbut evil liberals are destroying the country, we must disagree with everything they say, even if it (God forbid) makes sense!!11!1onetwo

2007-05-28 13:05:00

#5

Cerpin_Taxt: Member; +155|6390

You're so pissed off right now. You need to take a break from the boards and chill.

2007-05-28 13:06:25

#6

Zimmer: Un Moderador; +1,688|6943|Scotland

Poe, could you please change the title?

I will either move it to the Junk Drawer for that title or change it myself.

I can quite clearly see where you are getting at...the title is a bit harsh and stupid though.

2007-05-28 13:07:33

#7

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

Zimmer wrote:
Poe, could you please change the title?

I will either move it to the Junk Drawer for that title or change it myself.

I can quite clearly see where you are getting at...the title is a bit harsh and stupid though.

Change the title to 'Open Question To Anti-Social Welfare Types'. Please.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-28 13:07:47)

2007-05-28 13:09:45

#8

Mekstizzle: WALKER; +3,611|6808|London, England

He's basically asking what would happen if there was no social welfare or tax. If you guys got confused about that.

I reckon over here if we got rid of social welfare, we'd have alot less lazy chavs sitting in their council houses raising even worse children. As they'd need a job, sure there are the honest people who need it. But over here there are more Chavs than honest people who need benefits. About tax, well you can't get rid of tax. How else would you pay for all sorts of services. You could do with reducing it, they don't need 8 figure salary's and Rolls Royce Phantoms.

2007-05-28 13:18:40

#9

iamangry: Member; +59|6833|The United States of America

Sure. Allow me to submit a link to it for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-utopia

At least that's it for me. I actually think you would rather like it CPoe.

2007-05-28 13:20:53

#10

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

iamangry wrote:
Sure. Allow me to submit a link to it for you...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Techno-utopia

At least that's it for me. I actually think you would rather like it CPoe.

Sounds reeeaaall practical. And people call communists delusional.... *places head in hands*

I guess 'reality' isn't your forté.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-28 13:21:40)

2007-05-28 13:51:55

#11

iamangry: Member; +59|6833|The United States of America

Hey, you said "reality you envisage" not "reality you think you actually have a snowball's chance in hell of acquiring". I understand reality very well, I also understand the power of big ideas. I hope someday we have the ability to live in a technocracy. I'll aim to make it happen. The great thing about it is, I don't have to do any big political uprising horse shit; I just have to invent stuff. Reality may be your forté now, but it's not anyone's forté when it comes to future technology. So I would submit that it's really narrow minded of you to call something based in technology practical or not when were discussing what could be.

2007-05-28 14:02:17

#12

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6836

iamangry wrote:
Hey, you said "reality you envisage" not "reality you think you actually have a snowball's chance in hell of acquiring". I understand reality very well, I also understand the power of big ideas. I hope someday we have the ability to live in a technocracy. I'll aim to make it happen. The great thing about it is, I don't have to do any big political uprising horse shit; I just have to invent stuff. Reality may be your forté now, but it's not anyone's forté when it comes to future technology. So I would submit that it's really narrow minded of you to call something based in technology practical or not when were discussing what could be.

What have you invented so far that is somehow helping us towards this ideal? Not that it isn't a nice ideal, just that it's a bit impractical.

2007-05-28 14:13:32

#13

jonsimon: Member; +224|6682

No welfare=more crime.

2007-05-28 14:24:34

#14

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|6893

I believe that anybody who is fit enough to work should work, and should not recieve any welfare if they can find a job. People in difficult situations such as single parents and handicapped ppl should recieve welfare depending on the extent of their debilitation. Another thing to remember is that there are hundreds of volunteer organizations and charities that take care of people too.

2007-05-28 14:24:47

#15

san4: The Mas; +311|6875|NYC, a place to live

The people (aka "idiots") who say they don't believe in social welfare like to believe that every person controls his or her destiny: work hard and you will succeed. It is certainly true for some people, but to think that is possible for all people is delusional.

2007-05-28 14:26:35

#16

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6542

jonsimon wrote:
No welfare=more crime.

expand on this ...please ! it sounds narrow minded in scope

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-05-29 15:28:24)

2007-05-28 14:26:42

#17

Deadmonkiefart: Floccinaucinihilipilificator; +177|6893

I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.

2007-05-28 14:29:43

#18

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6836

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.

Why? They seem to exist now with welfare. Why exactly would they suddenly become far more effective?

2007-05-28 14:38:57

#19

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6542

XXXXXXXX wrote:
I noticed the 'Debate and Serious Talk' section. I thought to myself 'This could be a great place to annoy a load of people!' ..... creating a number of troll threads designed to really annoy people and start flame wars. I had never used an internet forum in my life before that. ..... I then began to get a little more serious, began to make genuine points,

dropped the facade and felt bad for creating my stupid deliberately inflammatory debut threads.

The rest is history.

2007-05-28 14:48:48

#20

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
XXXXXXXX wrote:
I noticed the 'Debate and Serious Talk' section. I thought to myself 'This could be a great place to annoy a load of people!' ..... creating a number of troll threads designed to really annoy people and start flame wars. I had never used an internet forum in my life before that. ..... I then began to get a little more serious, began to make genuine points,

dropped the facade and felt bad for creating my stupid deliberately inflammatory debut threads.

The rest is history.

Wow. Wow. ?

If this is inflammatory it is the fault of those who can't argue their case. The rest ... is history.

This IS how I feel. I'm not making this up to antagonise. The feelings in the OP ARE MY TRUE FEELINGS, no ifs and no fucking buts. The threads talked off in that quote there were threads I created where I wasn't expressing my true point of view, just one that would piss people off. This OP is the real me. And if anyone doesn't like that point of view then they're welcome to make their case in a rational and detailed manner.

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2007-05-28 14:53:19

#21

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6542

ghettoperson wrote:
Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.
Why? They seem to exist now with welfare. Why exactly would they suddenly become far more effective?

I think he means they'd " rise to the task " if it became a necessity. I know they would increase their efforts ten fold in such an emergency but I doubt it would be adequate. But they'd get more bang for the buck than the US government does. These Bureaus and Administrations are incredibly over staffed and rife with corruption and waste in N.Y.C.

( incredible waste !) I know this from first hand experience with them.

I did a search using social welfare and couldn't find any posts were people suggested

" eliminating social welfare". Maybe there could be a quote or a link to it ?

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-05-28 14:55:05)

2007-05-28 14:54:00

#22

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.

Because it's human nature to give. *snigger*

2007-05-28 15:10:17

#23

Hunter/Jumper: Member; +117|6542

CameronPoe wrote:
Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.
Because it's human nature to give. *snigger*

It isn't human nature to "give" or especially, " To share the fruits of your labor ".

Particularly if you suspect or know your money is being wasted. That’s why I feel most American's fear any Socialist agendas being pushed. Even if its a good idea, or for that matter desperately needed. We fear “ The government “ will run it with the ineptitude, waste, naivety, cronyism and carelessness that have become a trademark of these institutions, and in the process cripple the functioning structure that’s already in place.

Last edited by Hunter/Jumper (2007-05-28 15:11:08)

2007-05-28 15:20:02

#24

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6743

Hunter/Jumper wrote:
CameronPoe wrote:
Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.
Because it's human nature to give. *snigger*
It isn't human nature to "give" or especially, " To share the fruits of your labor ".

Particularly if you suspect or know your money is being wasted. That’s why I feel most American's fear any Socialist agendas being pushed. Even if its a good idea, or for that matter desperately needed. We fear “ The government “ will run it with the ineptitude, waste, naivety, cronyism and carelessness that have become a trademark of these institutions, and in the process cripple the functioning structure that’s already in place.

Of course not - hence the 'snigger'. That's why we need governments to push policies that redress the balance, provide some minimum acceptable level of social justice and prevent chaos, anarchy, and lawlessness, irrespective of how inefficient they may or may not be. Humans can be quite greedy and selfish.

If the government goes too far in the welfare direction then they should reign themselves in to promote growth. It's all about balance.

Last edited by CameronPoe (2007-05-28 15:42:53)

2007-05-28 15:57:46

#25

san4: The Mas; +311|6875|NYC, a place to live

Deadmonkiefart wrote:
I believe that without welfare, the charities and volunteer organizations would basically take over the job that welfare had.

You're right. That is precisely what Hamas and Hezbollah have done.

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