Prodie
Moderator Emeritus
+270|6745|Nova Scotia, Canada

I see a lot of posts saying that a teamkill is -2, -4, -6 even -8. Out of all the posts I've seen about points for teamkills, about 25% of them actually knew what the deal with on teamkills.

A teamkill is -4 no matter what you do. If you shoot your commander, squad leader or lonewolf, it doesn't matter who. Anyone on your team that you teamkill, will reward you with -4 on your score. 
*Note this -4 goes under the team score, which subtracts 4 from your main score in game as well*

If you happen to start off a game, and accidently run over a teammate with your tank (you tank whore) and find yourself with a score of -6, then you didn't get -6 for a teamkill! You got -2 for the team damage (bringing your teammates health down past half way) and then -4 for the teamkill.

In my days of playing BF2 I never received two team damages and a teamkill for a total score of -8, so I don't see how people can think it's -8 for a teamkill.

Another thing about teamkilling is the punishment. If you teamkill someone, the punishment does NOT affect your score! The punishment only counts towards the strikes against you, sort of. It's kind of like a 3 strikes your out situation, but it depends on how many strikes the server will allow you. Point being, if you get punished it's not an additional -2 or -4, it's just one black mark against you....a couple more and you will be kicked.

Pictorial demonstration:

Me starting a fresh game
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/4615/screen9151en.th.jpg
Me Teamkilling C. Bergqvist
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9100/screen9168oy.th.jpg
Leaderboard showing -4 for the teamkill on C. Bergqvist
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/8061/screen9173hy.th.jpg
Showing C. Bergqvist is a squad member
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2345/screen9182nq.th.jpg
J. Gonzales standing there, unspecting of a teamkill!
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6761/screen9194uv.th.jpg
Me teamkilling J. Gonzales
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1093/screen9207vo.th.jpg
My score of -8. -4 for the first one on C. Bergqvist, -4 for the second one J. Gonzales
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/315/screen9218xl.th.jpg
Showing J. Gonzales is my squad leader
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2044/screen9228wd.th.jpg
Another random shot of leaderboard showing my -8 score due to two teamkills
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/1010/screen9232mv.th.jpg
Me getting a teamdamage which is a -2 on my score. Below my name on the leaderboard you can barely see it says "Team damage! Don't hurt your teammates!"
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7342/screen9240bw.th.jpg
A better screenshot showing the teamdamage on C. Bergqvist
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/9894/screen9258us.th.jpg
Me teamkilling C. Bergqvist
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/194/screen9264qu.th.jpg
My score of -14. -4 for the first teamkill, -4 for the second teamkill, -2 for the team damage and -4 for the last teamkill.       0 - 4 = -4.   -4 - 4 = -8.   -8 - 2 = -10.   -10 - 4 =  -14
https://img69.imageshack.us/img69/7938/screen9270ds.th.jpg

I'm not sure if this should be in the complaint forum, it's not really a complaint...It's more of a just letting people know kinda thing.
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6671
theyre gonna court martial you for that.
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6759|Singapore

Ooooook.
Nyte
Legendary BF2S Veteran
+535|6722|Toronto, ON
I hope that shuts up alot of the ignorant dumbasses here.
Alpha as fuck.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|6732

Nyte wrote:

I hope that shuts up alot of the ignorant dumbasses here.
Ya right.
Gilgalad
Renaissance Soldier
+2|6748|Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
Good job, I hope every n00bish poster reads this and stops saying all the BS about punishing actually having some effect on points lost.
JeeSqwat
Tactical Specialist
+41|6699|Canada

Prodie wrote:

Another thing about teamkilling is the punishment. If you teamkill someone, the punishment does NOT affect your score! The punishment only counts towards the strikes against you, sort of. It's kind of like a 3 strikes your out situation, but it depends on how many strikes the server will allow you. Point being, if you get punished it's not an additional -2 or -4, it's just one black mark against you....a couple more and you will be kicked.
If someone chooses to forgive you, you dont lose score. But if they choose to punish you..you dolose score.So how does punishment NOT affect your score?
KillerAFET
Member
+3|6751|Abilene, Texas

Prodie wrote:

If you happen to start off a game, and accidently run over a teammate with your tank (you tank whore) and find yourself with a score of -6, then you didn't get -6 for a teamkill! You got -2 for the team damage (bringing your teammates health down past half way) and then -4 for the teamkill.

I'm not sure if this should be in the complaint forum, it's not really a complaint...It's more of a just letting people know kinda thing.
What drives me nuts is the amout of people that walk into moving vehicles and the driver is stuck with a TK.  Even after the patch people nearing a slow moving vehicle still die due to their own fault.  When I get a tank or other vehicle at the start of a game I now wait for the crowd to clear to avoid that very penalty.  This causes the advantage to be lost when storming a base or rushing past defenders still waiting to spawn due to TK avoidance delay.
divided
Clear!
+3|6743

JeeSqwat wrote:

Prodie wrote:

Another thing about teamkilling is the punishment. If you teamkill someone, the punishment does NOT affect your score! The punishment only counts towards the strikes against you, sort of. It's kind of like a 3 strikes your out situation, but it depends on how many strikes the server will allow you. Point being, if you get punished it's not an additional -2 or -4, it's just one black mark against you....a couple more and you will be kicked.
If someone chooses to forgive you, you dont lose score. But if they choose to punish you..you dolose score.So how does punishment NOT affect your score?
the whole point of this topic is to show everyone that this is not true..
SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|6756|Perth, Western Australia
I never complained but that did clear it up for me a bit, as i thought it was -4 for punish and -2 for forgive. Thanks
SuB
Member
+50|6646
i've been attacked by lemmings at the start of a round, tk'd one, no other damage to ANY OTHERS he punished
-8.. work that out

Last edited by SuB (2006-01-22 19:56:35)

chitlin
Banned
+36|6733
...,..you tk'd 2 people then fucktard
FunKz
Member
+1|6751|Melbourne, Australia
Wasnt it back before one of the patches punishes counted as -4 as well?
chitlin
Banned
+36|6733
punishing only goes towards getting you kicked depending on how the server has it set ...typically its 3 punishes = kick .. lots of servers have the punish system on but never results in kick ..
Skruples
Mod Incarnate
+234|6671
for the last time: You LOSE POINTS IF YOU TEAMKILL. it doesnt matter if they punish or not, you teamkill someone, its -4.
Scarymother
Member
+1|6713
TK = -4 by default.  No arguments nothing,

If they punish you, you get another -4 meaning -8 for the TK in total.

Indeed, some servers have TKP on by default meaning that you get -8 no matter what.  Can really screw up your score on a small map...
Home
Section.80
+447|6818|Seattle, Washington, USA

Scarymother wrote:

TK = -4 by default.  No arguments nothing,

If they punish you, you get another -4 meaning -8 for the TK in total.

Indeed, some servers have TKP on by default meaning that you get -8 no matter what.  Can really screw up your score on a small map...
OK, did you guys even read the post? He just said that getting punished does nothing to your score! If they punish you, you do not get -4 more points!
polarbearz
Raiders of the Lost Bear
+-1,474|6759|Singapore

GOd somebody slap them.

Hmm i've gotten something really weird though. Wake, USMC commander. I sit in the AA and i start shooting my BH, planes for fun. Team wehicle damage, but my team score stays at zero. So i continue doing it. I didn't tk anyone, but suddenly my teamscore drops to -22. Wtf?
d11fdj
Member
+3|6720|Athens

Scarymother wrote:

TK = -4 by default.  No arguments nothing,

If they punish you, you get another -4 meaning -8 for the TK in total.

Indeed, some servers have TKP on by default meaning that you get -8 no matter what.  Can really screw up your score on a small map...
Please tell me you're joking??  People like you are why this topic was created!
JON.ANTONSSON
Member
+51|6662|Sweden
People seem to be slow in their heads... PUNISHING DOES NOT EFFECT SCORE but the "TEAMKILL" does.

And ""Prodie"" plays this in singleplayer, whare you can teamkill how much you want.
d11fdj
Member
+3|6720|Athens

polarbearz wrote:

GOd somebody slap them.

Hmm i've gotten something really weird though. Wake, USMC commander. I sit in the AA and i start shooting my BH, planes for fun. Team wehicle damage, but my team score stays at zero. So i continue doing it. I didn't tk anyone, but suddenly my teamscore drops to -22. Wtf?
Maybe there was an autopunish feature enabled on arctic animals.
Prodie
Moderator Emeritus
+270|6745|Nova Scotia, Canada

Okay. I need someone to come into a ranked server with me.

I'll screenshot my score of 0
Teamkill you
Screenshot my score of -4
Have you punish me
Screenshot my score, still at -4

Obviously people either a) Can't read or b) Are dumbasses

I'd leaning more towards b as I think I made my post pretty clear...
madsmao
Member
+0|6764|Copenhagen, Denmark
Give it up Prodie. You have done your best.
People who still don't get it are the same people sitting in class from age 6-18 learning that 2 + 2 = 4. When they get at job afterwards they continue to insist that 2 + 2 = 5. Some people just won't listen or learn.

And for those of you who still don't get it you can just consult
The Wiki
or maybe you prefer
BF2TRACKER

And for those who are still claiming you get -8 when punished, I would like you to provide som proof

Last edited by madsmao (2006-01-23 09:37:36)

Gilgalad
Renaissance Soldier
+2|6748|Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA
I totally agree with you polarbearz that they still need to be slapped around a bit. How much proof do we need to provide them.

As far as team points on wake is concerned, that map is really messed up anyways. Any sort of balance issues aside, try destroying the PLA artillery once you've captured the airbase. Say hello to lots of team vehicle damage. That is just messed up. The arty situation gets worse be cause there is some random factor that also switches control of the arty in such a way that the USMC commander gets to rain down double the arty shells. So a random -22 teamwork on that map just seems to fit the royally fucked up profile of the entire map.
INCSOC
Member since 1984
+113|6649|Denver, CO

Gilgalad wrote:

I totally agree with you polarbearz that they still need to be slapped around a bit. How much proof do we need to provide them.

As far as team points on wake is concerned, that map is really messed up anyways. Any sort of balance issues aside, try destroying the PLA artillery once you've captured the airbase. Say hello to lots of team vehicle damage. That is just messed up. The arty situation gets worse be cause there is some random factor that also switches control of the arty in such a way that the USMC commander gets to rain down double the arty shells. So a random -22 teamwork on that map just seems to fit the royally fucked up profile of the entire map.
lol i noticed that too... stopped me playing spec ops on that map

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