jonsimon wrote:
ATG wrote:
Those who can't justify their own ramblings often attack mine.
Piss off Jonsimone and go find an anti Israel thread.
If you don't like it when I point out your bias and sensationalism, maybe you should make more objective OPs.
Since when is it my duty to be unbiased in a OP?
I'm not a reporter, I'm an America citizen, which you are not. I will make threads about topics that are important to me, from my point of view, without the slightest regard as to what or how you may think about it. There is nothing sensational about the OP, you have just resorted to attacking me in general on any thread I make about whatever topic because, bereft of any meaningful thoughts or ideas worthy of threads or serious debate you have nothing better to do.
The fact that you can't see that what I am offering for debate is the hypocrisy in the same political group decrying the expansion of urban zones and greenhouse gasses advocating an open border policy shows you're really not cut out for DST.
Or, if you can see it, yet insist on following me around my threads making useless one line comments about my mentioning the " L " word in a thread you are not cut out, either way.
Illegals deal alienates everyone
By Stephen Dinan
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
May 19, 2007
In forging an immigration deal this week, President Bush turned away from Republican allies in favor of striking a deal with Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, banking on the senior legislator to deliver enough Democrats to pass a bill.
But the strategy may come back to haunt him, as many Democrats said they can't accept the agreement and Republicans lined up to criticize both the deal and Mr. Bush, their party's leader.
And it may only get worse for Mr. Bush, as political forces drive the issue: Mitt Romney, the former Massachusetts governor running for the Republican presidential nomination, injected the issue straight into 2008 presidential politics, announcing he was running television commercials calling for better enforcement as the solution to illegal immigration.
"The president's willingness to accept the granting of amnesty to millions of illegal immigrants has sent a harmful message to Republican voters around the country," said Rep. Mike Pence, Indiana Republican. "But I also believe that'll sort itself out in the primaries of 2008. At the end of the day, this is an issue where I find myself focusing less on politics than what policy I think is in the best interests of the American people."
Last year, both Mr. Pence and Sen. John Cornyn of Texas appeared to be promising allies for Mr. Bush. Mr. Pence met with the president in the Oval Office to talk about the congressman's plan to have illegal aliens leave the country and apply to re-enter from outside.
When Democrats won control of Congress, Mr. Bush tacked left, negotiating with Mr. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat, and producing a deal on Thursday that many Republicans say is amnesty.
"The core of the apple here is the fact that 12 million illegal immigrants in this country can get right with the law without leaving the country. I think for most Americans, that is amnesty," Mr. Pence said, adding that from his read of his colleagues -- Democrats and Republicans -- "I don't believe the Senate bill has a future in the House."
Also on the outside of the deal is Mr. Cornyn, who at one point had a bill that most closely mirrored Mr. Bush's principles of a temporary-worker program and requiring illegal aliens to leave the country without creating a new path to citizenship for them.
Mr. Bush changed positions last April, embracing a path to citizenship, and in this new deal dropped his insistence on illegal aliens paying back taxes.
The White House issued a 10-point statement trying to fight back against criticism of the bill, saying it was not amnesty because it includes fines and a delay before a green card is awarded. The statement also touted the administration's commitment to enforcing new, tougher immigration laws.
"I think the president agrees with every provision in this bill," White House spokesman Tony Fratto told reporters.
The bill, which had not been completely written by last night, would allow the estimated 12 million to 20 million illegal aliens to come forward and gain probationary status while immigration authorities are hired and an employee-verification system is created. After those changes, the probational aliens could apply for a visa, and after eight years could gain a green card, which is the step before citizenship.
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