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2007-05-06 16:53:34
DesertFox-
The very model of a modern major general
+796|6991|United States of America

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

How are Christians harassed on this forum?  Do tell...
Well now you have to understand that very special brand of logic that has "persecution" translated as "not able to browbeat people with my religious beliefs without someone telling me to go get fucked". Christians believe they are under attack in America because people say "Happy Holidays" and because people are actually opposing them when they try to enshrine their religious tenets in our secular laws. Plainly put, they're oppressed by not being allowed to oppress others.
KIND OF!

It's more like whenever someone expresses a view held by any "organized" religion that someone who cannot find a fault will resort to name calling and attack the unprovable existence of God or things of that nature. Our religous tenets are already in your "secular" laws though, we can't kill people (Commandments)
2007-05-06 16:54:48
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6711|North Carolina

HunterOfSkulls wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

How are Christians harassed on this forum?  Do tell...
Well now you have to understand that very special brand of logic that has "persecution" translated as "not able to browbeat people with my religious beliefs without someone telling me to go get fucked". Christians believe they are under attack in America because people say "Happy Holidays" and because people are actually opposing them when they try to enshrine their religious tenets in our secular laws. Plainly put, they're oppressed by not being allowed to oppress others.
Pretty much....  Although I have to admit that some atheists really give us a bad name.  There's no reason to flip out when somebody wants to put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse.  I really could give two shits less.
2007-05-06 16:57:50
13rin
Member
+977|6785

ATG wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

usmarine2005 wrote:

Next time a Roman Catholic in 2007 stones someone for dating a Baptist, you can call me a racist.
If you are talking about the Kurdish girl they were not Muslims.
What about the Kurdish rock-throwers who are Muslim?

You are advocating political correctness.
Fuck that: you bag on Bush, capitalism and Israel and I will bag on Islam.

Do you really want me complaining about your palestinian threads:?
He beat me to it....
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
2007-05-06 21:31:11
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7068

2007-05-06 21:37:04
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6585

DesertFox- wrote:

It's more like whenever someone expresses a view held by any "organized" religion that someone who cannot find a fault will resort to name calling and attack the unprovable existence of God or things of that nature. Our religous tenets are already in your "secular" laws though, we can't kill people (Commandments)
Murder is one of many things that are condemned universally, strictures against it are capable of existing and have existed without religious backup of any kind. Sorry, but when I see Christians talking about being oppressed in the media, they're not talking about namecalling or people engaging them in debate about whether God can make a rock so heavy he can't lift it, it's almost always complaints about the fact that their views no longer have primacy or nonsense about how society is doomed because they don't hold so much sway over it anymore.

Turquoise wrote:

Pretty much....  Although I have to admit that some atheists really give us a bad name.  There's no reason to flip out when somebody wants to put the Ten Commandments in a courthouse.  I really could give two shits less.
I agree with the first part. Although I admire Dawkins for his obvious cast-iron testicles, I really don't like his approach; it makes him seem as unhinged as the fundamentalists. As far as stuff like the Ten Commandments, I would agree except for two sticking points. One, pretty much all the recent attempts to have them placed in buildings like courthouses have been blatant attempts to stick it to us godless heathens, to say "See, we're still in charge around here". Such behavior should not be tolerated no matter what quarter it comes from. Two, only three out of the ten commandments actually apply to secular law; regarding theft, murder and perjury (false witness). The rest of them are purely religious in nature and some of them even go so far as to criminalize thought (coveting). Oh, the irony.
2007-05-06 21:37:53
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,061|7078|PNW

sergeriver wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
Anti-religious/political attitudes are not necessarily racist. Nor, for that matter (referring to a recent thread of mine), is calling a Mexican guy a Mexican.
No, calling a Mexican guy a Mexican is not racist, but saying that most Muslims are terrorists, or that Iraqis are not humans, that is racist.
No. Saying that most Muslims are terrorist is not racist, as Islam is not specifically restricted to any particular race. But yes, sweeping generalizations about a particular group of people can be bad (if most Muslims were terrorists, the world would be in much worse condition today). Unfortunately, you forgot to mention generalizations about conservatism and liberalism, which are at least as common as 'Islamophobia.' And just as a reminder (not to your post specifically), but verbal attacks against white people are just as racist as:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc4R1THlrwY

(no, I'm not embedding it)

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-06 21:45:02)

2007-05-06 21:44:04
chkr
Member
+2|6699

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
you go and view the stoning death of a 17 young years old girl to for an innocent of falling in love....and take a longgggggggggg and deeppppppppp thought on that.....than you will understand
2007-05-06 22:11:29
HunterOfSkulls
Rated EC-10
+246|6585

chkr wrote:

you go and view the stoning death of a 17 young years old girl to for an innocent of falling in love....and take a longgggggggggg and deeppppppppp thought on that.....than you will understand
The actions of one person, ten people, or even a hundred or a thousand people is not enough to justify lazy thinking regarding millions of people. Quit making excuses for yourself and your sloppy thought processes and quit trying to get the rest of us to excuse it. Humanity's been down this "those people aren't human like us" road enough times all ready.
2007-05-06 22:18:11
Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|7012

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
Hey aren't you that guy who doesn't read the entire thread before he posts?

LET'S GET HIM!!!
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2007-05-07 00:52:44
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|6971|NT, like Mick Dundee

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
Shut the fuck up you stupid argintenian jew...

Dirty fucker...



As denoted by the , the above is a joke, I agree with his points and have nothing against Argentina, argentinians or jews... Except that Argentina kicks Australian arse at football... That's another matter though...
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
2007-05-07 03:23:20
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7070|Dallas

Skexis wrote:

If you can give someone an opinion that is backed up by more than "Oh, I know those kinds of people," you might find others more willing to listen to you.

Cry me a fucking river if you don't like it when people call you out for being closed-minded. You're not disagreeing. You can carry your personal beliefs to hell with you and I won't give a second thought to your passing. But are you saying that you'll tell your children to learn from their own experience, or will you encourage them to stay away from the darkies?
I don't need to give a reason for every single thing I believe and yes, I do know those "kind" of people.  I grew up 3 miles from an Indian reservation and 8 miles from the county seat in a county that was nearly 70% Native American.  I think over the 18+ years I spent there I developed a better since of what a bunch of fucktards they are as a whole.  And no, that isn't a generalization, 95% of them were a bunch of stupid, lazy and trashy assholes.  Also, where did I say I was going to teach my children racism?  Where did I even say I planned on having children?  I didn't, so stop putting words in my mouth and put a dick in your ass.

sergeriver wrote:

Cougar wrote:

So to recap:

North Africa: Ex-Terrorist states mainly run by hot headed dictators since the British left after building the place up into a respectable country.

Middle Africa: Genocide after Civil War after Genocide over natural resources.

South Africa: Almost respectable but slowly turning into a cess pool of crime since the white population is diminishing.
Again, you're making generalizations.  South Africa almost respectable?  They just left the apartheid, what do you expect there?  North Africa mainly ex-terrorist states?  That's racist and stereotyping.
How is that a generalization?  Modern terrorism was practically born in Eygpt and who can forget the whole Libyan deboggle with the good colonel?  I suppose the recent news stories about Ethiopia and Somalia at an uneasy stand-off due to Islamic terrorists taking over the country and threatening the others borders is all fiction? 

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
2007-05-07 03:56:06
elstonieo
Oil 4 Euros not $$$
+20|6644|EsSeX

Cougar wrote:

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
2007-05-07 04:05:50
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7022

elstonieo wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.

Last edited by cyborg_ninja-117 (2007-05-07 04:05:59)

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2007-05-07 04:07:12
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7070|Dallas

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.
Japan?  WWII much?

I was thinking more along the lines of Australia or Canada.

Last edited by Cougar (2007-05-07 04:07:48)

2007-05-07 04:12:26
psH
Banned
+217|6689|Sydney
This thread needs a chimney.

boom
2007-05-07 04:27:56
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|6981|Canberra, AUS

Cougar wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:


Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.
Japan?  WWII much?

I was thinking more along the lines of Australia or Canada.
So was I.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
2007-05-07 06:20:24
B.Schuss
I'm back, baby... ( sort of )
+664|7147|Cologne, Germany

personally, I believe any form of prejudice, racism, bigotry, etc. is bad and should be avoided. Then again, I realize that humans aren't perfect. We give in to impulses, we let our emotions get the best of us. Living a life without prejudice is an ideal that no human can live up to.

We are not as good as we'd like to be. I can live with people having prejudices, cause I know I have them too. The important thing is to know the difference between one's prejudice and reality, and act accordingly.
Trying to at least keep an open mind, regardless of the prejudice.

Also, there is a difference between racism that stems from prejudice, and one that comes from personal experience. When Cougar says that native americans are lazy fucktards, is that racism ?
Probably, but based on his experience with them, his observation might still be true.

We base our findings on our personal experiences. It is impossible to know i.e. judge each person on the planet individually. That's why we categorize. We see / meet a person, someone new, and automatically judge him/her according to the way he/she talks, acts, dresses, his or her personal views, their job, anything really. And yes, sometimes the color of their skin, or their religion comes into that equasion, too.

It's a natural thing. The important part is to keep an open mind, and to be able to overcome one's prejudices, should those not be coherent with the facts.

As far as forums are concerned, I have always believed that it is a good thing the anonymity (sp?) of the forums allows everyone to speak their mind freely. Certainly, there are things that will get you banned, and racism is among those. But I'd rather have an open discussion than one inhibited by PC.

I am with Cougar on this.
2007-05-07 06:30:30
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7063|Argentina

chkr wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
you go and view the stoning death of a 17 young years old girl to for an innocent of falling in love....and take a longgggggggggg and deeppppppppp thought on that.....than you will understand
Those kurdish folks were not Muslims.  You go and view the video again.  Then you will understand, or maybe not.
2007-05-07 06:31:40
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7063|Argentina

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Wtf is going on here? 
There are many people who really need to understand that racism is not the solution. 
Have you read the latest threads about Islam or Muslims? 
There is a total disrespect for the entire Muslim community.  And I'm not Muslim.  But if some Muslim guy enters this forum and reads some threads he will run away.  [insert bad joke about Muslims blowing shit here]
And I noticed some Nazi comments as well.  Nothing compared to the reigning Islamophobia, but still scaring, since we all know what Nazism can do.
The discriminatory comments need to stop.  Thousands of kids read this.  What are we teaching them?  That the whole Middle East is a bunch of terrorists?  I don't think that's right. 
If you don't like Religion cool.  If you don't like Islam cool.  But show some respect for other people's beliefs and stop generalizing about Religions and Ethnic groups.
We are not helping the situation, we are spreading the hate.
Hey aren't you that guy who doesn't read the entire thread before he posts?

LET'S GET HIM!!!
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2007-05-07 06:45:14
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7063|Argentina

Cougar wrote:

Skexis wrote:

If you can give someone an opinion that is backed up by more than "Oh, I know those kinds of people," you might find others more willing to listen to you.

Cry me a fucking river if you don't like it when people call you out for being closed-minded. You're not disagreeing. You can carry your personal beliefs to hell with you and I won't give a second thought to your passing. But are you saying that you'll tell your children to learn from their own experience, or will you encourage them to stay away from the darkies?
I don't need to give a reason for every single thing I believe and yes, I do know those "kind" of people.  I grew up 3 miles from an Indian reservation and 8 miles from the county seat in a county that was nearly 70% Native American.  I think over the 18+ years I spent there I developed a better since of what a bunch of fucktards they are as a whole.  And no, that isn't a generalization, 95% of them were a bunch of stupid, lazy and trashy assholes.  Also, where did I say I was going to teach my children racism?  Where did I even say I planned on having children?  I didn't, so stop putting words in my mouth and put a dick in your ass.

sergeriver wrote:

Cougar wrote:

So to recap:

North Africa: Ex-Terrorist states mainly run by hot headed dictators since the British left after building the place up into a respectable country.

Middle Africa: Genocide after Civil War after Genocide over natural resources.

South Africa: Almost respectable but slowly turning into a cess pool of crime since the white population is diminishing.
Again, you're making generalizations.  South Africa almost respectable?  They just left the apartheid, what do you expect there?  North Africa mainly ex-terrorist states?  That's racist and stereotyping.
How is that a generalization?  Modern terrorism was practically born in Eygpt and who can forget the whole Libyan deboggle with the good colonel?  I suppose the recent news stories about Ethiopia and Somalia at an uneasy stand-off due to Islamic terrorists taking over the country and threatening the others borders is all fiction? 

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Most of those countries have 40 years or less of being free countries.  Poverty and starvation doesn't help either. 
Besides, there are many black people in the US that invented useful things: George W. Carver, Charles Drew, Garrett Morgan, etc.
2007-05-07 06:49:18
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7063|Argentina

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.
From the invasion of China in 1937 to the end of World War II, the Japanese military regime murdered near 3,000,000 to over 10,000,000 people.  This democide was due to a morally bankrupt political and military strategy, military expediency and custom, and national culture.
2007-05-07 06:51:32
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7022

Cougar wrote:

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:


Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.
Japan?  WWII much?

I was thinking more along the lines of Australia or Canada.
Lawl forgot about ww2

Hmmm Mexico? Portugal?
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2007-05-07 06:55:44
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|7070|Dallas

sergeriver wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Skexis wrote:

If you can give someone an opinion that is backed up by more than "Oh, I know those kinds of people," you might find others more willing to listen to you.

Cry me a fucking river if you don't like it when people call you out for being closed-minded. You're not disagreeing. You can carry your personal beliefs to hell with you and I won't give a second thought to your passing. But are you saying that you'll tell your children to learn from their own experience, or will you encourage them to stay away from the darkies?
I don't need to give a reason for every single thing I believe and yes, I do know those "kind" of people.  I grew up 3 miles from an Indian reservation and 8 miles from the county seat in a county that was nearly 70% Native American.  I think over the 18+ years I spent there I developed a better since of what a bunch of fucktards they are as a whole.  And no, that isn't a generalization, 95% of them were a bunch of stupid, lazy and trashy assholes.  Also, where did I say I was going to teach my children racism?  Where did I even say I planned on having children?  I didn't, so stop putting words in my mouth and put a dick in your ass.

sergeriver wrote:


Again, you're making generalizations.  South Africa almost respectable?  They just left the apartheid, what do you expect there?  North Africa mainly ex-terrorist states?  That's racist and stereotyping.
How is that a generalization?  Modern terrorism was practically born in Eygpt and who can forget the whole Libyan deboggle with the good colonel?  I suppose the recent news stories about Ethiopia and Somalia at an uneasy stand-off due to Islamic terrorists taking over the country and threatening the others borders is all fiction? 

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Most of those countries have 40 years or less of being free countries.  Poverty and starvation doesn't help either. 
Besides, there are many black people in the US that invented useful things: George W. Carver, Charles Drew, Garrett Morgan, etc.
I never said they didn't, however, these are Americans not Africans. 

Alexander Graham Bell, Henry Ford, Thomas Edison....., I can name smart people too, but it doesn't mean some hillbilly in backwater Arkansas isn't still having sex with his sister.

Ohh and as far as Japan and Taiwan goes, we already covered that.
2007-05-07 06:58:25
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7063|Argentina

B.Schuss wrote:

personally, I believe any form of prejudice, racism, bigotry, etc. is bad and should be avoided. Then again, I realize that humans aren't perfect. We give in to impulses, we let our emotions get the best of us. Living a life without prejudice is an ideal that no human can live up to.

We are not as good as we'd like to be. I can live with people having prejudices, cause I know I have them too. The important thing is to know the difference between one's prejudice and reality, and act accordingly.
Trying to at least keep an open mind, regardless of the prejudice.

Also, there is a difference between racism that stems from prejudice, and one that comes from personal experience. When Cougar says that native americans are lazy fucktards, is that racism ?
Probably, but based on his experience with them, his observation might still be true.

We base our findings on our personal experiences. It is impossible to know i.e. judge each person on the planet individually. That's why we categorize. We see / meet a person, someone new, and automatically judge him/her according to the way he/she talks, acts, dresses, his or her personal views, their job, anything really. And yes, sometimes the color of their skin, or their religion comes into that equasion, too.

It's a natural thing. The important part is to keep an open mind, and to be able to overcome one's prejudices, should those not be coherent with the facts.

As far as forums are concerned, I have always believed that it is a good thing the anonymity (sp?) of the forums allows everyone to speak their mind freely. Certainly, there are things that will get you banned, and racism is among those. But I'd rather have an open discussion than one inhibited by PC.

I am with Cougar on this.
Generalization is a form of racism and prejudice.  Would you like to be called a nazi just coz you are German?  That would be racist and ignorant, just like saying that most black people are lazy or less smart than white people.  I can't believe you agree with Cougar.  This is not about PC, it's about having good values.
2007-05-07 06:59:49
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6927|London, England

cyborg_ninja-117 wrote:

elstonieo wrote:

Cougar wrote:

Name one fucking African country that has discovered a new resource and hasn't had a civil war or genocide because of it in the past 40 years.  It isn't a generalization, it's a fact.
Name ANY COUNTRY that hasnt had a civil war or genocide of some sort

and while ur at it have a DNA test and find out where YOU come from
Taiwan, Japan.
Here's me arguing about someone actually from Taiwan but.. isn't Taiwan part of China. Don't they call that the Republic of China or something.

 

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