Poll

If another 9/11 occured, would you willing be drafted?

Most definiately,I would volunteer and die if necessary29%29% - 50
Probably, but I wouldn't like it6%6% - 11
I would, but be a conscientious objector3%3% - 6
I would try to avoid it if I could, but still join7%7% - 13
I would do everything in my power to not join21%21% - 37
I like cheese.31%31% - 54
Total: 171
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6732|Chicago

CameronPoe wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Whiser wrote:

If it does happen again, we know who is responsible once more, Yes I do mean Mr Monkey Bush.
ORLY? i believe its your fucking kind that wants to pull the troops out of Iraq! and then you dare say that if we get attacked again its Mr. Bushes fault!!!!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!! Your the ones that wanna pull the fucking troops out of Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your the ones that want to fucking give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and go home!!!!! and give the terrorists who are still hiding in iraq some breathing room so that they CAN ATTACK AGAIN!!!!!! because there not dead and you pussy ass liberals dont realize it!!!!!!!!! IF THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THESE FORUMS THEN IM LEAVING ON THE TERMS IDE LIKE!!!! TELLING YOU FUCKED UP STUPIDASS LIBERALS THE REAL STORY IN THIS WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!

DONT WORRY ILL BE AROUND!
If this gets me a perma ban i dont fucking care the last thing i ask is that this post doesnt get removed...

Errrrr your so stupid...
lol
Nothing proves a point like over capitalization and excessive punctuation.

Caps lock is cruise control for cool.

On topic, I might go, depending on the circumstances. If it is another war like this one, then no.

(Sorry for the double post)
Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|6911
I'll sign up.
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unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6966|PNW

RedTwizzler wrote:

Cheddar is my favorite, with Colby Jack coming in at a close second.
Com on...what about pepperjack?
Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6743|San Diego, CA, USA

Turquoise wrote:

Well, let's see here.  Most war is fought for the benefit of wealthy war profiteers.  Being that I'd prefer not to die for the sake of these people, I would move to Canada or wherever else I need to go to stay out of war.
If a draft was issued, does Canada still harbor felons?  Do we have any new treaties that allow for those felons to be extradited to the United States now as apposed to in the 1960-70s?
HURLEY
Ima Crunchatize you.
+170|6877|The Lou
Im really skinny... but id do it.... not much different than paintball, right? he he.....
RedTwizzler
I do it for the lulz.
+124|6732|Chicago

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

RedTwizzler wrote:

Cheddar is my favorite, with Colby Jack coming in at a close second.
Com on...what about pepperjack?
Not a fan, frankly.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6663
Just a quick note; the only countries that won't send you back if you go to them to avoid the draft are Cuba, Iran and North Korea.

I chose Cuba.
Drakef
Cheeseburger Logicist
+117|6557|Vancouver

Harmor wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, let's see here.  Most war is fought for the benefit of wealthy war profiteers.  Being that I'd prefer not to die for the sake of these people, I would move to Canada or wherever else I need to go to stay out of war.
If a draft was issued, does Canada still harbor felons?  Do we have any new treaties that allow for those felons to be extradited to the United States now as apposed to in the 1960-70s?
Americans are welcome to hide out at my place. Vancouver's a great place.
l41e
Member
+677|6843

They wouldn't take me. My vision's horrible.
derstralle
Iron Egg Skill, bitches!
+29|6410
I'm drafted anyway... and I don't like it.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6867|Colorado

blisteringsilence wrote:

TrollmeaT wrote:

The draft is unconstitutional & I would win in court if they tried to draft me. I wouldn't be forced by any means, but I would gladly volunteer with pay. I have friends in the air force & that's where I would go if it came down to it.
For someone who knows nothing of how the draft works, you sure sound sure about your ability to beat it in court.

1. The Draft is constitutional. Arver v. United States, 245 U.S. 366 (1918); United States v. Holmes, 387 F.2d 781 (7th Cir.), cert. denied, 391 U.S. 936 (1968);
I never gave my sanction, I know all about the selective service system & the constitution is on my side.
2. They pay you if you're drafted.
Well yeah they have too.
3. You're going to have to fight to join the air scouts, UnnamnedNewbie and I are taking both the BF2S spots.
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Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6600|North Carolina

Harmor wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Well, let's see here.  Most war is fought for the benefit of wealthy war profiteers.  Being that I'd prefer not to die for the sake of these people, I would move to Canada or wherever else I need to go to stay out of war.
If a draft was issued, does Canada still harbor felons?  Do we have any new treaties that allow for those felons to be extradited to the United States now as apposed to in the 1960-70s?
We do actually, but...  If you're in rural Canada, there's a much lower chance of you being found.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6600|North Carolina

doctastrangelove1964 wrote:

Just a quick note; the only countries that won't send you back if you go to them to avoid the draft are Cuba, Iran and North Korea.

I chose Cuba.
Not necessarily.  Mexico likely wouldn't, along with a number of South American countries.  Also, if a war is deemed "illegal" by a given country, they likely won't send you back, since fleeing conscription for an unjust war is not considered a crime by most countries.  So, chances are, France and Germany wouldn't send you back either.
jgrahl
Member
+4|6885
I just hope that China or India never decides to go full force on any other country because their full force is a largely overwhelming force.
TrollmeaT
Aspiring Objectivist
+492|6867|Colorado
I would like to see china against india in a simulated war of course.
Turquoise
O Canada
+1,596|6600|North Carolina

jgrahl wrote:

I just hope that China or India never decides to go full force on any other country because their full force is a largely overwhelming force.
Perhaps, but their military technology is no match for ours or most of the First World.
LT.Victim
Member
+1,175|6757|British Columbia, Canada
The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|6909|US
Turquoise, the problem is they have a strong mix of quality AND quantity, whereas we have higher quality but far less quantity.  China will have about 500 SU-27/30 fighters by 2010,  the only US aircraft that can reliably beat the Sukhoi is the F/A-22 (We'll have about 100-150 Raptors).  That is the trend we face...

Last edited by RAIMIUS (2007-05-06 22:06:09)

unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,053|6966|PNW

RAIMIUS wrote:

Turquoise, the problem is they have a strong mix of quality AND quantity, whereas we have higher quality but far less quantity.  China will have about 500 SU-27/30 fighters by 2010,  the only US aircraft that can reliably beat the Sukhoi is the F/A-22 (We'll have about 100-150 Raptors).  That is the trend we face...
While quantity can overcome quality, military history has proven (with spectacular results) that quality can overpower quantity. It isn't only the planes that you must compare, but the pilot training, ground, naval and orbital support as well as munitions involved.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2007-05-06 22:10:46)

Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6743|San Diego, CA, USA

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

While quantity can overcome quality, military history has proven (with spectacular results) that quality can overpower quantity.
Ever seen the movie 300?

https://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0416449/300a.jpg

Last edited by Harmor (2007-05-06 23:48:36)

Vernedead
Cossack
+21|6428|Albion
ever heard of platea? or the battle of marathon? or Assaye. all examples of superior, trained and equipped troops defeating forces that out number them.

Last edited by Vernedead (2007-05-07 02:31:47)

Deadmonkiefart
Floccinaucinihilipilificator
+177|6901
Avacado...Mmmmm..
Cougar
Banned
+1,962|6959|Dallas

Whiser wrote:

Dezerteagal5 wrote:

Whiser wrote:

If it does happen again, we know who is responsible once more, Yes I do mean Mr Monkey Bush.
ORLY? i believe its your fucking kind that wants to pull the troops out of Iraq! and then you dare say that if we get attacked again its Mr. Bushes fault!!!!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!!!! Your the ones that wanna pull the fucking troops out of Iraq!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your the ones that want to fucking give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and go home!!!!! and give the terrorists who are still hiding in iraq some breathing room so that they CAN ATTACK AGAIN!!!!!! because there not dead and you pussy ass liberals dont realize it!!!!!!!!! IF THIS IS MY LAST POST ON THESE FORUMS THEN IM LEAVING ON THE TERMS IDE LIKE!!!! TELLING YOU FUCKED UP STUPIDASS LIBERALS THE REAL STORY IN THIS WORLD!!!!!!!!!!!

DONT WORRY ILL BE AROUND!
If this gets me a perma ban i dont fucking care the last thing i ask is that this post doesnt get removed...

Errrrr your so stupid...
And you're the kind who sits on your FAT ass and watches FOX and CNN all day. You fail to suprise me, I think we need a special section just for you - debate and serious talk for kids or maybe for ppl with little or no IQ.
Of course it was Bush look at the evedince. I really do hope that was your last post. Banned.

Opposed by everyone in the world who was not bought off, the illegal invasion of Iraq was undertaken for many reasons — the imminent replacement of the dollar by the euro as the world's primary currency, the tempting lure of untapped oil reserves, the desire to consolidate U.S./Israeli military hegemony over a strategically vital region — but the most important reason was to further obscure questions about the awesome deception staged by the American government that has come to be known as 9/11.
9/11 was a hoax. This is no longer a wild conspiracy assertion; it is a fact, supported by thousands of other verifiable facts, foremost of which are:
•    The attacks of 9/11 COULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED without the willful failure of the American defense system. In Washington, Air Force pilots demanded to fly but were ordered to stand down. Yet instead of prosecuting the president and military leaders for this unprecedented dereliction of duty, military leaders were promoted and the president was praised for presiding over a defense system that suspiciously failed the most crucial test in its history. None of the deaths would have happened without the deliberate unplugging of America's air defenses.
Planes that lose contact with control towers are usually intercepted by fighter jets inside of ten minutes, as the incident with the golfer's plane a few months earlier so clearly demonstrated. Yet on 9/11, the jetliners that struck New York were allowed to proceed unmolested for more than a half-hour, and the plane that supposedly crashed in Washington was not intercepted for more than an hour and forty minutes after it was widely known that four planes had been hijacked.
•    The twin towers could not have collapsed as a result of burning jet fuel. Most of that fuel was consumed on impact. In the south tower, most of the fuel was spilled outside the building. Heat caused by burning jet fuel does not reach temperatures needed to melt steel. What does stand out as particularly suspicious and still unexplained is that fires raged out of control beneath THREE of the collapsed towers for ONE HUNDRED DAYS, clearly indicating the presence of some kind of substance utilized in the demolition of the structures.
The Twin Towers did not fall because of plane impacts or fires. Most likely explosives were placed on structural supports in the towers (as was done in Oklahoma City), and these controlled implosions snuffed out the lives of three thousand people.
•    FBI Director Robert Mueller insisted officials had no idea this kind of attack could happen when in fact the FBI had been investigating the possibility of EXACTLY this kind of attack for almost TEN YEARS. Numerous previous attempts at using planes as weapons, intimate knowledge of terror plans called Project Bojinka, and knowledge of suspicious characters attending flight schools who were being monitored by the FBI make his utterance a clear lie on its face.
In the weeks before 9/11, the U.S. received warnings from all over the world that an event just like this was about to happen, but FBI investigations into suspected terrorists were suppressed and those warnings were deliberately disregarded.
•    The names of the alleged hijackers, all ostensibly Muslims, were released to the public only hours after the attacks, despite Mueller saying we had no knowledge this would happen. This is an impossible twist of logic. If he didn't know of a plan to strike buildings with planes, how would he know the names of the hijackers? Various artifacts were discovered in strategic places to try to confirm the government's story, but these have all been dismissed as suspicious planting of evidence. Since that time several names on that list have turned up alive and well, living in Arab countries. Yet no attempt has ever been made to update the list. And why were none of these names on the airlines' passenger lists?
•    Much like the invasion of Iraq, the anthrax attacks were designed to deflect attention from unanswered 9/11 questions in the patriotic pandemonium that followed the tragedy. In addition to making large amounts of money for the president's father and his friends from the hasty sale of inefficient drugs to a panicked populace, the investigation into these killings was abruptly halted when the trail of evidence led straight to the government's door, and has not been reopened. The anthrax attacks also amped up the climate of fear and deflected attention from the passage of the government's repressive Patriot Act.
•    The Patriot Act was presented in the days after the tragedy supposedly as a response to it, yet it was clear that this heinous act, drafted to nullify provisions for freedom in the U.S. Constitution, was put together long before 9/11. In addition, testimony by Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) revealed that most members of Congress were compelled to vote for the bill without even reading it. This was a vote to eliminate the Constitutional Bill of Rights, which has defined American freedom for 200 years, and it was accomplished when legislators voted for the bill without even reading it.
•    The invasion of Afghanistan was presented as an attempt to pursue the alleged perpetrators of 9/11, yet it had been discussed for years prior to the tragedy and actually planned in the months before the attacks on New York and Washington. Statements by Zbigniew Brzezinski and the Republican-written Project for a New American Century have stressed that America needed a formidable enemy to accomplish its aggressive geopolitical aims. The supposed enemy we attacked in Afghanistan was a diverse group of men from all over the world who were initially recruited, encouraged and supported by the American CIA.
•    The hole in the Pentagon was not made by a jumbo jet. Damage to the building was simply not consistent with the size of the hole nor the absence of debris. At the supposed point of impact, a whole bank of windows remained unbroken and there were no marks on the lawn. No airplane debris (except what was planted on the lawn) nor remains of passengers were ever found.
•    The president has admitted that he continued to read a story to schoolchildren in a Florida school for 30 minutes after being informed that two planes had struck New York and that the nation was under attack. He has never explained this puzzling behavior, nor how he saw the first plane hit. It was never televised, only recorded by a French crew filming firemen in New York. In that film, the plane in question does not appear to be a passenger airliner.
•    The plane in Pennsylvania was shot down and broke apart in midair. No other explanation can account for the wreckage, which was spread over a six-mile area, or the eyewitness accounts that describe debris falling from the sky.
•    Cellphone calls cannot be made from airliners in flight that are not close to the ground. As research by Professor A. K. Dewdney has shown, the emotional conversations between hijacked passengers and others would not have been possible under conditions that existed at that moment. These calls were cynical fabrications, exploiting the distraught emotions of those who lost loved ones.
•    Radio communications from firefighters on the upper floors of the Trade Center towers clearly indicate that fires were under control and the structure was in no danger of collapsing.
These are merely a few of the deliberately false statements made by U.S. officials about 9/11. They provide crystal clear evidence that our president, his staff, and many legislators should be indicted on charges of treason, obstruction of justice and mass murder. Above all, these evil men should be removed from their positions of authority before they implement more of their moneymaking murder schemes like the one they are now perpetrating on the innocent people of Iraq.
Otherwise, we face a future of endless war abroad and merciless repression at home.
Consider just a few more of the other unanswered questions from among the thousands of unexplained loose ends that all point to 9/11 being an inside job.
•    Who benefited from the suspiciously high numbers of put options purchased prior to September 11 for shares in companies whose stock prices subsequently plummeted, on the supposition that whoever was behind the hijacking was also behind most of the purchases of these put options? And what was the role of the new executive director of the CIA, Buzzy Krongard, who handled these transactions?
•    Why was the debris from the collapsed Twin Towers removed from the site with no forensic examination? Why was almost all of it sold to scrap merchants and shipped abroad where it would not be available for scientific examination?
•    Why does the government refuse to release any transcripts of communications or any records at all relating to signals of any form transmitted by those jets?
•    Why did so many people, from San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown to many employees of companies in the World Trade Center who failed to come to work that day, know in advance that something bad was going to happen on Sept. 11, 2001?
•    Why do all the major U.S. media continue to act as if none of these questions is legitimate or relevant?
Today, millions of people around the world are protesting the criminal destruction of the nation of Iraq. But these protests won't change the number of minds necessary to stop America's criminal madmen from continuing with their genocidal aim of enslaving the entire world.
What WILL stop them is spreading the realization that President George W. Bush and his billionaire accomplices in the oil industry perpetrated 9/11 as an excuse to begin the militarization of America for the purpose of world conquest.
History has shown all too clearly the deceived American people WILL support the destruction of faraway countries on phony pretexts of defending so-called freedom.
Thus the needless wars continue. Right now we watch high-tech weapons slaughter the defenseless people of Iraq. Soon it will be Iran, Syria, Colombia, Venezuela, North Korea, Egypt, Libya, Nigeria, North Korea, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, and who knows where else. All these misguided atrocities will be possible because of the hoax known as 9/11.
But the American people will not — and cannot — tolerate leaders who kill our own people merely to invent a pretext — the war on terror — to go around killing anyone they like.

If the American people DO tolerate such an insane strategy, then they clearly do not deserve to survive as a nation or a people(9/11 was a Hoax by John Kaminski)-( http://www.serendipity.li/wot/911_a_hoax.htm)
OMFG. 

That was the most brillant beatdown I've ever seen in D&ST.  Holy shit.  +1
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|6841

jonsimon wrote:

killer21 wrote:

No because some people do not belong in the military.  The military is all about honor, courage and commitment(at least the Marine Corps is) and some people do not have what it takes to be in the military.  It takes a special breed to do that.
Yeah, it takes a stupid kid who can take direct orders to be in the army. Very prestigious.
Your comments are rather stupid. You should join up.
GunSlinger OIF II
Banned.
+1,860|6838
why wait for a draft.

people need to quit talking the talk and start walking the walk.

Last edited by GunSlinger OIF II (2007-05-07 08:47:45)

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