How would a 'drone army' affect the way we conduct warfare?

2007-05-04 21:32:08

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Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

I'm all for the remote presence that is coming on-line soon.

This is where I can goto my local military military base at 8am...control drones (trucks and planes remotely on the otherside of the world), and then come home by 6pm for dinner.

Its going to happen...sooner than you think. There is a good series on the Military Channel called FutureWeapons.

How would having a 'drone army' affect the way we conduct warfare?

Last edited by Harmor (2007-05-04 21:32:30)

2007-05-04 21:35:05

#2

acEofspadEs6313: Shiny! Let's be bad guys.; +102|6997|NAS Jacksonville, Florida

We'd find something else to blame for what happens in the battles.

2007-05-04 21:35:23

#3

Poseidon: Fudgepack DeQueef; +3,253|6842|Long Island, New York

Create less death, more work ethic in factories.

Bye bye, conventional warfare.

2007-05-04 21:38:54

#4

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

I'm curious on the ethical nature of using a machine to kill others. Would a military machine (i.e. a remote Abrums Tank or F-22 Raptor), change the way we think about war?

Would the Geneva Convention come into effect?

If I could send a bunch of machines controlled partially by humans into a country and there is no risk to my army...what then?

2007-05-04 21:38:57

#5

ATLSkyline07: Member; +3|6636|Atlanta

Poseidon wrote:
Create less death, more work ethic in factories.

Bye bye, conventional warfare.

Wouldn't it create more deaths since they're so advanced?

2007-05-04 21:46:17

#6

jonsimon: Member; +224|6800

Harmor wrote:
I'm all for the remote presence that is coming on-line soon.

This is where I can goto my local military military base at 8am...control drones (trucks and planes remotely on the otherside of the world), and then come home by 6pm for dinner.

Its going to happen...sooner than you think. There is a good series on the Military Channel called FutureWeapons.

How would having a 'drone army' affect the way we conduct warfare?

We'd have more of it, it'd be easier to manipulate public support. It'd be terrible. And future weapons is a terrible show, almost everything on it is discontinued before it can enter service.

2007-05-04 21:47:57

#7

mcgid1: Meh...; +129|7021|Austin, TX/San Antonio, TX

War will become less about the resolve of the combatants and more about the resources each nation has.

2007-05-04 21:48:31

#8

Commie Killer: Member; +192|6691

Harmor wrote:
I'm all for the remote presence that is coming on-line soon.

This is where I can goto my local military military base at 8am...control drones (trucks and planes remotely on the otherside of the world), and then come home by 6pm for dinner.

Its going to happen...sooner than you think. There is a good series on the Military Channel called FutureWeapons.

How would having a 'drone army' affect the way we conduct warfare?

Future Weapons is plain stupid, they are out of touch with the world and have a lot of facts wrong.
I dont see a drone military happening, while eventually computers will out hink the human brain, the problem is, only we have the passion, and the conscious, I wouldnt trust a drone that isn't human controlled.

2007-05-04 21:52:49

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Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6853|San Diego, CA, USA

Well it seems that there are alot of drones that are partially controlled by humans in the pipeline. For example, a squadron of drones flys over an area, reports enemy activity and takes out targets of opportunity.

Now the question is will there be a human in the kill loop?

2007-05-04 21:59:06

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Parker: isteal; +1,452|6699|The Gem Saloon

Harmor wrote:
Well it seems that there are alot of drones that are partially controlled by humans in the pipeline. For example, a squadron of drones flys over an area, reports enemy activity and takes out targets of opportunity.

Now the question is will there be a human in the kill loop?

there has to be, unless the mission is preprogrammed.

until someone can figure out how to put a network 30,000 feet in the air there will still be pilots.

and there will ALWAYS be a human at the other end......machines cant think like that for themselves, and if they did, we would probably destroy them.

2007-05-04 22:39:29

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Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6866

Parker wrote:
and there will ALWAYS be a human at the other end......machines cant think like that for themselves,

Uh.........you say that based on what?

Parker wrote:
and if they did, we would probably destroy them.

More likely there'd be a small Luddite resurgence, violently suppressed.

2007-05-04 23:29:13

#12

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6699|The Gem Saloon

i say that based on the fact that machines cant think like that without humans, thats why none of the drones operate by themselves. at some point there is a human in the loop, whether its programming mission specifications, or actually controlling the drone, a human is involved. a machine cant decide what to target and when, a human does....and will.

2007-05-05 01:07:19

#13

BVC: Member; +325|7000

Someone sitting at a desk controlling drones all day doesn't need to be particularly fit.

2007-05-05 01:26:46

#14

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,060|7076|PNW

Military machinery ethics have been debated as far back as the Gatling gun, the longbow and beyond. But the truth is, the modern battlefield is already saturated by combat drones. Isn't a radio-detonated IED a drone of some sort.

2007-05-05 01:37:57

#15

trex1210: I am Canadian; +72|6563|B.C. Canada

Gamers like ourselves would be called up to the army. They will be looking for lonely skinny people (stereotype i know) with good keyboard/mouse skill, and the airforce would be calling up all bf2s pilots. Pretty soon recruiters will be on Battle Field 2 and games like it!

2007-05-05 01:39:03

#16

unnamednewbie13: Moderator; +2,060|7076|PNW

trex1210 wrote:
Gamers like ourselves would be called up to the army. They will be looking for lonely skinny people (stereotype i know) with good keyboard/mouse skill, and the airforce would be calling up all bf2s pilots. Pretty soon recruiters will be on Battle Field 2 and games like it!

Takes a bit more than FPS skill to operate a drone.

2007-05-05 02:31:25

#17

BVC: Member; +325|7000

What about an unmanned automated AWACS?

2007-05-05 02:32:50

#18

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6699|The Gem Saloon

Pubic wrote:
What about an unmanned automated AWACS?

30,000 foot high network and sure that will work......more importantly if that does take place the awacs will still serve the same purpose but have pilots controlling fighters remotely.

2007-05-05 03:00:27

#19

Bubbalo: The Lizzard; +541|6866

Parker wrote:
i say that based on the fact that machines cant think like that without humans, thats why none of the drones operate by themselves. at some point there is a human in the loop, whether its programming mission specifications, or actually controlling the drone, a human is involved. a machine cant decide what to target and when, a human does....and will.

At the moment, yes.

2007-05-05 03:04:07

#20

Parker: isteal; +1,452|6699|The Gem Saloon

Bubbalo wrote:
Parker wrote:
i say that based on the fact that machines cant think like that without humans, thats why none of the drones operate by themselves. at some point there is a human in the loop, whether its programming mission specifications, or actually controlling the drone, a human is involved. a machine cant decide what to target and when, a human does....and will.
At the moment, yes.

do you see machines being able to that in the future?
i know the advances are coming fast, but that is a completely different beast. i would think that if it was possible at all, it would be very far away......but who knows.

2007-05-05 03:04:53

#21

some_random_panda: Flamesuit essential; +454|6695

Harmor wrote:
I'm curious on the ethical nature of using a machine to kill others. Would a military machine (i.e. a remote Abrums Tank or F-22 Raptor), change the way we think about war?

Would the Geneva Convention come into effect?

If I could send a bunch of machines controlled partially by humans into a country and there is no risk to my army...what then?

Then we'd have far more invasions. On the upside, people could have 'wars' video game style in real life, at computers. Project Reality, here we come!

2007-05-05 11:02:42

#22

Skorpy-chan: Member; +127|6649|Twyford, UK

Wars would erupt everywhere, and continue to rage in the middle of fecking nowhere, forgotten by everybody, and supported by vast factories employing thousands of workers.
Anyone who finds out about the war will be silenced by the government, because the economy will become reliant on producing more and more robots to be destroyed fighting each other.

2007-05-05 11:16:09

#23

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6860

Not going to happen. Completely impractical, easy to defeat and unable to achieve political ends.

2007-05-05 11:18:41

#24

M.O.A.B: 'Light 'em up!'; +1,220|6527|Escea

Unless its the Terminator

2007-05-05 11:21:18

#25

Varegg: Support fanatic :-); +2,206|7114|Nårvei

I vote armwrestling into global politics, let the leaders battle eachother over a disagreement !

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