sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

It was Peron 60 years ago and I think he was an asshole anti-Semite.  So, I can't talk about anti-Semitism because someone in the past in my country was a nazi lover?  Can't Germans be against Nazis?  Can't Italians?  Lol.  I find it ironic that an ignorant person like you talks about things he doesn't know shit.
1. Don't be a troll.

2. This is debate and serious talk, not flames-r-us.

3. Yes, a German can be anti-nazi. As can an Italian. Though, I don't get the Italian part, they were fascists without the antisemitic part of the Nazis. But that's besides the point.

I graduated with two degrees. Chemistry and Political Science. I would argue both that I am not ignorant, and you don't know what you're talking about. Argentina was still harboring escaped Nazi's in the 70's and 80's as they died off, and the Argentinian government to this day refuses to release the vast majority of their files dealing with Nazis that reloacated to Argentina, despite pressure from inside and out. If you'd like, there are a number of good books. Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt deals with the issue tangentially, and The Real Odessa: Smuggling the Nazis to Perón's Argentina by Uki Goni deals with it directly.

In the future, I challenge you to reply like an adult. Failing that, don't reply.
You are the troll here.  And reporting my post is hilarious when you started the flaming.  FYI Mussolini was a nazi lover as well.
So, according to you I can't talk about nazis because there were nazis lovers here.  No, you are right you are not ignorant.  I don't care about your degrees, you fail at life m8.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-05-04 10:48:26)

Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7039|Scotland

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

It was Peron 60 years ago and I think he was an asshole anti-Semite.  So, I can't talk about anti-Semitism because someone in the past in my country was a nazi lover?  Can't Germans be against Nazis?  Can't Italians?  Lol.  I find it ironic that an ignorant person like you talks about things he doesn't know shit.
1. Don't be a troll.

2. This is debate and serious talk, not flames-r-us.

3. Yes, a German can be anti-nazi. As can an Italian. Though, I don't get the Italian part, they were fascists without the antisemitic part of the Nazis. But that's besides the point.

I graduated with two degrees. Chemistry and Political Science. I would argue both that I am not ignorant, and you don't know what you're talking about. Argentina was still harboring escaped Nazi's in the 70's and 80's as they died off, and the Argentinian government to this day refuses to release the vast majority of their files dealing with Nazis that reloacated to Argentina, despite pressure from inside and out. If you'd like, there are a number of good books. Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt deals with the issue tangentially, and The Real Odessa: Smuggling the Nazis to Perón's Argentina by Uki Goni deals with it directly.

In the future, I challenge you to reply like an adult. Failing that, don't reply.
Reply like an adult? Are you an asshole? Don't answer that question.

He was explicitly answering YOUR stupid comment. Do not blame a person who lives in a country that had a "dubious" past. You are talking about maturity here, yet you don't seem to understand the rules of debating.
He can say what he likes, like a German can say what he likes about nazis. You CANNOT make a sweeping comment like you just did. You call it "ironic"? What, so all Argentinians are anti-semites? For something that HAPPENED 40 YEARS AGO, even if it was still "happening" 20 years ago, you still have NO FUCKING RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM.

Frankly, I don't care if you got an honours degree and work for Einstein, you are not always right. Deal with that fact for the rest of your life.

And then you go ahead and report HIS post. Now that is ironic. Really, that is. He was defending himself from a stupid and pointless comment YOU made. Not him.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6985|Little Rock, Arkansas

sergeriver wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

It was Peron 60 years ago and I think he was an asshole anti-Semite.  So, I can't talk about anti-Semitism because someone in the past in my country was a nazi lover?  Can't Germans be against Nazis?  Can't Italians?  Lol.  I find it ironic that an ignorant person like you talks about things he doesn't know shit.
1. Don't be a troll.

2. This is debate and serious talk, not flames-r-us.

3. Yes, a German can be anti-nazi. As can an Italian. Though, I don't get the Italian part, they were fascists without the antisemitic part of the Nazis. But that's besides the point.

I graduated with two degrees. Chemistry and Political Science. I would argue both that I am not ignorant, and you don't know what you're talking about. Argentina was still harboring escaped Nazi's in the 70's and 80's as they died off, and the Argentinian government to this day refuses to release the vast majority of their files dealing with Nazis that reloacated to Argentina, despite pressure from inside and out. If you'd like, there are a number of good books. Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt deals with the issue tangentially, and The Real Odessa: Smuggling the Nazis to Perón's Argentina by Uki Goni deals with it directly.

In the future, I challenge you to reply like an adult. Failing that, don't reply.
You are the troll here.  And reporting my post is hilarious when you started the flaming.  FYI Mussolini was a nazi lover as well.
So, according to you I can't talk about nazis because there were nazis lovers here.  No, you are right you are not ignorant.  I don't care about your degrees, you fail at life m8.
Let's go back and review.

I pointed out the IRONY in someone from Argentina critizing someone else for being anti-semetic, as your country is known for, among other things, harboring Nazi war criminals. At no time did I say that you can't talk about it. I said it was IRONIC. Perhaps the nuance and semantics of the English language are lost on you, I just don't know.

You then got all kinds of offended because, somehow, I critized your country. You ought to try being an American on these forums, buddy. If you can't take one little dig, you need seriously thicker skin.

Next, I asked you not to troll, and to debate with a serious and adult attitude. I offered you proof of my knowledge in the area (I have both books within 25 feet of my desk, I had to buy them for a college class).

Then, you accused me of failing at life, and used internet leet-speak to do it.

And now we're caught up.

To respond to your most recent assertion, I would argue that I do not, in fact, fail at life. As I am successful and happy, I would put forth that I am successful in life. But really, how do we judge our happiness? I am able to do what I want to do, when I want to do it. I make good money. I enjoy my job and my hobbies.

But none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

Let free speech reign throughout the world! Let not speech, no matter how stupid, be made illegal! Protect those with whom you don't agree!
Zimmer
Un Moderador
+1,688|7039|Scotland

You were not making a comment about his country. You were directing it at him. That is why he took offense.

Back on topic now.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|6904|London, England
With parents who were (legal) immigrants even I can agree with some of the stuff they say, this place is getting out of hand. But the BNP have some really stupid stuff which is preventing them from getting any power, if they can cut out the fascist shit then maybe they will be more successful, they'll have to change the name though. The BNP name has been tainted with all that fascist crap.

Society is falling apart here, we need some sort of conservative power. But more common sense than out right neo-con shit.
KEN-JENNINGS
I am all that is MOD!
+2,981|6915|949

Vilham wrote:

I read the first 5 or so. If no one was racist i would agree with removing them, but people are racist therefore some laws are needed.
And there you go.  In an ideal world, these types of policies would work.  Of course people would agree to broaden free speech, and eliminating 'politically correct' words from civic text/language would be a great thing.  There are "bad seeds", bottom line.

Good in theory, horrible policies (for the most part) in reality.
blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6985|Little Rock, Arkansas

Zimmer wrote:

Reply like an adult? Are you an asshole? Don't answer that question.
I find this an interesting way for someone who is a mod to start a conversation. I thought you all held yourselves to a higher standard.

Zimmer wrote:

He was explicitly answering YOUR stupid comment. Do not blame a person who lives in a country that had a "dubious" past. You are talking about maturity here, yet you don't seem to understand the rules of debating.
Why can't I blame someone who is from a country who has a dubious past? That's old hat around here for Europeans. They can tear into an an American anytime by pointing out (among other things) slavery, native american removals, and civil rights violations. Because I'm American I'm held to some other, different, standard? If everyone else gets to use the straw horse argument, why can't I?

Zimmer wrote:

He can say what he likes, like a German can say what he likes about nazis. You CANNOT make a sweeping comment like you just did. You call it "ironic"? What, so all Argentinians are anti-semites? For something that HAPPENED 40 YEARS AGO, even if it was still "happening" 20 years ago, you still have NO FUCKING RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM.
And again, why not? It's cool for others here to judge me by the actions of my ancestors. Not to mention, the whole higher standard thing again.

Zimmer wrote:

Frankly, I don't care if you got an honours degree and work for Einstein, you are not always right. Deal with that fact for the rest of your life.

And then you go ahead and report HIS post. Now that is ironic. Really, that is. He was defending himself from a stupid and pointless comment YOU made. Not him.
At no time did I assert that I was, in fact, always right. I don't believe that I am always right. I am OFTEN right, but no man is infalliable.

And I'll man up. I did indeed report his post. It was the very defintion of a personal attack. It contributed nothing to the debate. It was a post that deserved to be reported, no matter how much you may or may not have agreed with him.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

blisteringsilence wrote:


1. Don't be a troll.

2. This is debate and serious talk, not flames-r-us.

3. Yes, a German can be anti-nazi. As can an Italian. Though, I don't get the Italian part, they were fascists without the antisemitic part of the Nazis. But that's besides the point.

I graduated with two degrees. Chemistry and Political Science. I would argue both that I am not ignorant, and you don't know what you're talking about. Argentina was still harboring escaped Nazi's in the 70's and 80's as they died off, and the Argentinian government to this day refuses to release the vast majority of their files dealing with Nazis that reloacated to Argentina, despite pressure from inside and out. If you'd like, there are a number of good books. Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt deals with the issue tangentially, and The Real Odessa: Smuggling the Nazis to Perón's Argentina by Uki Goni deals with it directly.

In the future, I challenge you to reply like an adult. Failing that, don't reply.
You are the troll here.  And reporting my post is hilarious when you started the flaming.  FYI Mussolini was a nazi lover as well.
So, according to you I can't talk about nazis because there were nazis lovers here.  No, you are right you are not ignorant.  I don't care about your degrees, you fail at life m8.
Let's go back and review.

I pointed out the IRONY in someone from Argentina critizing someone else for being anti-semetic, as your country is known for, among other things, harboring Nazi war criminals. At no time did I say that you can't talk about it. I said it was IRONIC. Perhaps the nuance and semantics of the English language are lost on you, I just don't know.

You then got all kinds of offended because, somehow, I critized your country. You ought to try being an American on these forums, buddy. If you can't take one little dig, you need seriously thicker skin.

Next, I asked you not to troll, and to debate with a serious and adult attitude. I offered you proof of my knowledge in the area (I have both books within 25 feet of my desk, I had to buy them for a college class).

Then, you accused me of failing at life, and used internet leet-speak to do it.

And now we're caught up.

To respond to your most recent assertion, I would argue that I do not, in fact, fail at life. As I am successful and happy, I would put forth that I am successful in life. But really, how do we judge our happiness? I am able to do what I want to do, when I want to do it. I make good money. I enjoy my job and my hobbies.

But none of this has anything to do with the topic at hand.

Let free speech reign throughout the world! Let not speech, no matter how stupid, be made illegal! Protect those with whom you don't agree!
Maybe, I don't know English semantics or you were in fact saying that I had no right to talk about nazis because Peron was pro Nazi.
With the same view, I can argue you have no right to talk about science because some schools in Arkansas teach kids Creationism.
Congrats on your success.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina

blisteringsilence wrote:

Zimmer wrote:

Reply like an adult? Are you an asshole? Don't answer that question.
I find this an interesting way for someone who is a mod to start a conversation. I thought you all held yourselves to a higher standard.

Zimmer wrote:

He was explicitly answering YOUR stupid comment. Do not blame a person who lives in a country that had a "dubious" past. You are talking about maturity here, yet you don't seem to understand the rules of debating.
Why can't I blame someone who is from a country who has a dubious past? That's old hat around here for Europeans. They can tear into an an American anytime by pointing out (among other things) slavery, native american removals, and civil rights violations. Because I'm American I'm held to some other, different, standard? If everyone else gets to use the straw horse argument, why can't I?

Zimmer wrote:

He can say what he likes, like a German can say what he likes about nazis. You CANNOT make a sweeping comment like you just did. You call it "ironic"? What, so all Argentinians are anti-semites? For something that HAPPENED 40 YEARS AGO, even if it was still "happening" 20 years ago, you still have NO FUCKING RIGHT TO JUDGE HIM.
And again, why not? It's cool for others here to judge me by the actions of my ancestors. Not to mention, the whole higher standard thing again.

Zimmer wrote:

Frankly, I don't care if you got an honours degree and work for Einstein, you are not always right. Deal with that fact for the rest of your life.

And then you go ahead and report HIS post. Now that is ironic. Really, that is. He was defending himself from a stupid and pointless comment YOU made. Not him.
At no time did I assert that I was, in fact, always right. I don't believe that I am always right. I am OFTEN right, but no man is infalliable.

And I'll man up. I did indeed report his post. It was the very defintion of a personal attack. It contributed nothing to the debate. It was a post that deserved to be reported, no matter how much you may or may not have agreed with him.
Zimmer is a mod, but he also has common sense, a thing you won't ever get even with two degrees.  That comes with you and you don't learn about that at College.
My post deserved to be reported, lol?  You are a joke.  Get a life and don't address any of my posts ever again.

Last edited by sergeriver (2007-05-04 11:38:23)

blisteringsilence
I'd rather hunt with Cheney than ride with Kennedy
+83|6985|Little Rock, Arkansas

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe, I don't know English semantics or you were in fact saying that I had no right to talk about nazis because Peron was pro Nazi.
With the same view, I can argue you have no right to talk about science because some schools in Arkansas teach kids Creationism.
Congrats on your success.
Again, I never said you don't have the right to talk about anything. I said it was IRONIC.

Good god, I don't know how many times I'm going to repeat this.

i·ro·ny1      [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
–noun, plural -nies.
1.    the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.    Literature.    
      a.    a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
       b.    (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.    Socratic irony.
4.    dramatic irony.
5.    an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6.    the incongruity of this.
7.    an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8.    an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

[Origin: 1495–1505; < L īrōnīa < Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn a dissembler + -eia -y3]



sergeriver wrote:

My post deserved to be reported, lol?  You are a joke.  Get a life and don't address any of my posts ever again.
1. I have a life.

2. No.

3. This time I plead with you. Take the responsible, adult approach. quit flaming. If you wish to address my statements and assertions point by point, please feel free. I would love to do so with you. But act like an adult. Quit the juvenile flaming.
Shem
sɥǝɯ
+152|6810|London (At Heart)

Being Honest.

Ethnics get too many rights, EVERYTHING is racist in England.

What do I call Black People? because Black is racist.

I can't call People from india Indians, because they complain they are pakistani... I can't call them Asians either, because they complain about that.

What can they call us? Whatever the fuck they want.
Snake
Missing, Presumed Dead
+1,046|6849|England

I know of entire families who have voted for the BNP.

In some respects a multi-cultural society works, in others it doesnt. Some races are accepted and want to mix with us, others dont. And its the ones that dont that cause a lot of the problems, i.e. "political correctness" i.e. not putting up christmas lights just to please a very small minority because they dont believe in christmas. That is just pathetic.
Im sure if we went to their country and asked for something similar, they'd fall back and say "no problem".
However, we cant just sit here and say "people who are part of X are not allowed into the country" or else we will be regarded as racists.

And I think with the media hype and people wanting more "Britishness", I can only see the BNP getting more power - although never actually running the country.

However, whilst I agree with some of their policies, its politics. It doesnt matter who gets in. They all lie and do jackshit anyway.

Last edited by Snake (2007-05-04 11:43:51)

sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7041|Argentina

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

Maybe, I don't know English semantics or you were in fact saying that I had no right to talk about nazis because Peron was pro Nazi.
With the same view, I can argue you have no right to talk about science because some schools in Arkansas teach kids Creationism.
Congrats on your success.
Again, I never said you don't have the right to talk about anything. I said it was IRONIC.

Good god, I don't know how many times I'm going to repeat this.

i·ro·ny1      [ahy-ruh-nee, ahy-er-]
–noun, plural -nies.
1.    the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning: the irony of her reply, “How nice!” when I said I had to work all weekend.
2.    Literature.    
      a.    a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated.
       b.    (esp. in contemporary writing) a manner of organizing a work so as to give full expression to contradictory or complementary impulses, attitudes, etc., esp. as a means of indicating detachment from a subject, theme, or emotion.
3.    Socratic irony.
4.    dramatic irony.
5.    an outcome of events contrary to what was, or might have been, expected.
6.    the incongruity of this.
7.    an objectively sardonic style of speech or writing.
8.    an objectively or humorously sardonic utterance, disposition, quality, etc.

[Origin: 1495–1505; < L īrōnīa < Gk eirōneía dissimulation, sarcasm, understatement, equiv. to eírōn a dissembler + -eia -y3]



sergeriver wrote:

My post deserved to be reported, lol?  You are a joke.  Get a life and don't address any of my posts ever again.
1. I have a life.

2. No.

3. This time I plead with you. Take the responsible, adult approach. quit flaming. If you wish to address my statements and assertions point by point, please feel free. I would love to do so with you. But act like an adult. Quit the juvenile flaming.
I won't waste my time addressing your false-polite-agressive posts.  Report me.  Oops, you already did.  Get lost.
Smokie_UK1
"INSOMNIAC KILLER"
+5|6519

Milk.org wrote:

No I don't agree with any of them because if they took over the country would collapse when they deport all the legal immigrants therefore the people who do the lower paid jobs and it would topple inwards from there.

I can't see too many of our "indigenous" population finishing their A-levels/Degrees to go mop floors at Burger King.

If I remember correctly the BNP was founded by a guy from the National Front go figure.
What the fuck are you taking mate. I have no issues with the people entering the country to find work, yes we do have some nice pay packs at the end of the week. But have you not noticed, the overtime that was available, now isn't. So the people with kids, mortgages and other debts, were managing to keep up the payments, start to worry because their wage increase from doing 60 plus hours a week, drop to 48 or even 40, just because you don't want the school dropouts in this country to mop floors, or do the shitty jobs that are left for them to do. I say UNLUCKY, stay the fuck in school and learn. All I'm pissed off with is we have more alcoholics, junkies and crime on our streets, we had unemployment issues at one point, so there were jobs available to get these twats causing all the shit off the streets, now all the jobs are filled they have no other option but to keep doing the same shit they do, day in, day out. Sad fucking life really.

I do agree with your end statement though, he was from the national front.
mikeyb118
Evil Overlord
+76|6882|S.C.
Is there really a future for the BNP as we know it?
Now consider the SNP ARE a louder voice in the UK. The SNP call for a referendum on Scotland's independence is far more imminent and dangerous than a possible return of an EU constitution to the UK, or more dangerous to the BNP than 10 lorries of Polish migrants. (even France voted NO to the EU constitution). The SNP don't like the BNP because BNP IS British, and the SNP are no-where near the right wing immigration and "race relations" policy of the BNP. The BNP are totally undermined by the SNP.

The BNP now have to reassert themselves with regards to Scotland by possibly changing their name to:
"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Without Scotland National Party"
Or the more verbally digestible:
"The British without the Scottish National Party"

In my opinion they are most likely to turn into an English Nationalist party. Whichever way they decide to go the BNP will not be BNP without the sum of its parts so they have to change.

By the way I despise the BNP, they shadow racism with politics and they almost have no place in a liberalised society.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6932

blisteringsilence wrote:

sergeriver wrote:

It was Peron 60 years ago and I think he was an asshole anti-Semite.  So, I can't talk about anti-Semitism because someone in the past in my country was a nazi lover?  Can't Germans be against Nazis?  Can't Italians?  Lol.  I find it ironic that an ignorant person like you talks about things he doesn't know shit.
1. Don't be a troll.

2. This is debate and serious talk, not flames-r-us.

3. Yes, a German can be anti-nazi. As can an Italian. Though, I don't get the Italian part, they were fascists without the antisemitic part of the Nazis. But that's besides the point.

I graduated with two degrees. Chemistry and Political Science. I would argue both that I am not ignorant, and you don't know what you're talking about. Argentina was still harboring escaped Nazi's in the 70's and 80's as they died off, and the Argentinian government to this day refuses to release the vast majority of their files dealing with Nazis that reloacated to Argentina, despite pressure from inside and out. If you'd like, there are a number of good books. Eichmann in Jerusalem by Hannah Arendt deals with the issue tangentially, and The Real Odessa: Smuggling the Nazis to Perón's Argentina by Uki Goni deals with it directly.

In the future, I challenge you to reply like an adult. Failing that, don't reply.
And the fucking idiot of the week award goes to...
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|6932

Shem wrote:

Being Honest.

Ethnics get too many rights, EVERYTHING is racist in England.

What do I call Black People? because Black is racist.

I can't call People from india Indians, because they complain they are pakistani... I can't call them Asians either, because they complain about that.

What can they call us? Whatever the fuck they want.
What a retarded comment. Their either from India or they aren't. If their from India, they are Indians, if they are from Pakistan, they are Pakistani's. Seems pretty clear cut to me. Obviously if you can't tell the difference between the two, then that's a different matter, but I'm fairly sure that if you weren't acting like a cock, they would find it understandable that you might get the two mixed up.
aardfrith
Δ > x > ¥
+145|7076

BNP wrote:

Our proposals:

1. We would repeal the Race Relations Acts and all other restrictions on free speech in Britain .

2. We would abolish all targets and quotas for ethnic representation in all areas of employment, public and private.

3. We would abolish all politically-correct indoctrination of the police, teachers, and other public employees.

4. We would abolish all government-sponsored ethnicity-specific professional bodies, housing associations, and other organisations.

5.  We would abolish all departments, agencies, or other units of government whose sole and specific purpose is to deal with ethnic issues, grievances, or crimes.  Such organisations deliberately seek out the maximum quantity of "racism" in order to justify their own existence and expand their power and budgets.  The law is the law and must be enforced equally upon all without being politicised over ethnic differences.

6. We would abolish all laws against racial discrimination in employment and the government bodies associated with enforcing them.

7. Except for purposes of teaching foreign languages to native speakers of English, the only languages permitted in official documents, government business, and schools will be English, Scots, and Welsh. The use of other languages by ethnic minorities in their own homes, school and institutions will also be encouraged.

8. A Clause 28-style proscription against the promotion of racial integration in schools and the media would be introduced.

9. In order to make it clear that the “celebration of diversity” is something in which the native peoples of our islands can share, each of our traditional Saints Days would be made Public Holidays in the nations in question, with Trafalgar Day being an additional Public Holiday throughout the entire UK.

10. A massively-funded and permanent programme, using and doubling Britain's current foreign aid budget, will aim to reduce, by voluntary resettlement to their lands of ethnic origin, the proportion of ethnic minorities living in Britain, for as long as the majority of the electorate are willing to fund such expenditure. Since the chief impact of such a programme would be the assistance it would render to Developing Countries in the Third World, this is described further in Section 16 – Britain and the World.

11. While accepting the right of law-abiding minorities, in our country because they or their ancestors came here legally, to remain here and to enjoy the full protection of the law against any form of harassment or hostility, we will also seek to emphasise the importance of the prior status of the aboriginal people. This would be a national extension of the ‘Sons and Daughters' policy in priority on housing and school places lists which BNP councils seek to implement at local level.
I disagree with 6, 10 and 11.  The rest is fine with me. However, the inclusion of 6,10 and 11 made me vote against one of the party's leading activists, who was standing in my ward.  That and the fact that the standing councillor has done quite a lot towards better local services in my area.

1.  I'm all for free speech.  No limits.  None.  If someone wants to deny the holocaust, so be it.  They'll expose themselves as a twat and so much the better.

2.  Best person for the job.  If that person is a lesbian disabled woman from Outer Mongolia, sign her up and give her a pay rise.  Same as if it's a white bloke from Wigan.

3.  Political indoctrination means not doing the job properly.  Train policemen how to police.  Train teachers how to teach.  If it weren't for Ministers the NHS would be in better health.

4.  As well as free speech, I'm pro-inclusivity.  Nobody should be exlcuded from anything based on their race, gender, sexual persuasion, age or any of that bollocks.

5.  See 1 & 4.

6.  Racial discrimination goes against inclusivity and "best person for the job".  There shouldn't be any need for laws prohibiting racial-discrimination but that's no reason to abolish them.  Barring freedom of speech, racial discrimination laws should remain.

7.  I passed the place where our local housing office was on Thursday.  It had moved to another office nearby and there was a map and a sign telling people how to get there.  The sign was in 14 languages.  To me, that's excessive.

8.  I'm not familiar with Clause 28.  Can someone explain it to me?  Until then I am loathe to condemn or condone it.

9. St. Patrick's Day is as close as we get to a Patron Saint's day celebration in the UK.  We should have a celebration of St. George, St. David and St. Andrew as well.

10. First generation immigrants and refugees paid to come here.  If they or their families wish to leave, I don't see why the taxpayer should be left with the bill.

11. Who are the aboriginal people?  This is completely unworkable because if you work back to the Vikings, the Normans, the Saxons, we all have immigrant blood in us.

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